Draft anyone?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Excape Goat, Apr 12, 2015.

  1. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
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    Real Madrid
    Eight players from Sweden's 1948 Olympic Gold Medal winning team turned professional after the Olympics and did not go to the WC Finals in 1950. Erik Nilsson, Bertil Nordahl, Kjell Rosén, Gunnar Gren, Nils Liedholm, Henry Carlsson and Gunnar Nordahl went to play in Italy. Orvar Bergmark had not played for Sweden in 1950. He was 19 years old.

    This team would become one of my blog post. I am now looking who to eliminate from the actual WC squad.
     
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  2. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
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    Actually, only six players. Erik Nilsson went to the WC finals. i accidentally countered Bergmark.
     
  3. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
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    Sweden did not select any professional player until 1958. I am researching Swedish professional footballers who might have skipped both the 1948 Olympics and the 1950 WC Finals.

    I came upon a player named Gunnar Andersson. He was born in Sweden. he left Sweden before ever capped by Sweden. He went to play professionally in France. He later played for France B. He is considered to be one of Marseille's greatest ever player. He was on my all-time team for Marseille.

    Is he eligible for my team?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunnar_Andersson_(footballer)
     
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  4. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Yes, he is.

    Great find, it seems he's entering his prime years at 1950.
     
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  5. msioux75

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  6. Excape Goat

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    Mar 18, 1999
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    I only want Spain to be a backup if we have less than 8 teams. Since we have 8 teams, I just want Sweden.
     
  7. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    I'll stick with England and Hungary if I'm involved mate, unless anyone specifically wants one of those nations as first choice (Peter or a new entrant I guess).
     
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  8. peterhrt

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    Oct 21, 2015
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    I could have Austria and Scotland unless somebody else wants them.
     
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  9. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Amazingly nobody picks Brazil :eek:

    So, I'm taking a 2nd team. There are 12 countries by now.

    @Perú FC , @tLB Odiseo or anyone, still there's room for other team. I know, some managers (including myself) could change his pick, if some new entrant comes in.

    The Selections and Pots are posting in the WC 1950 retconned thread. Soon I'll make the Drawing. WC squads could be posted in the main thread, too.
     
  10. msioux75

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    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    I already have the roster for Brazil. In the best scenario, advancing from the Group Phase, I select the starting XI plus 3 subs.

    The Danish roster is almost finished, too.
     
  11. msioux75

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  12. PDG1978

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    #237 PDG1978, Feb 7, 2018
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2018
    We've had a one player per nation draft before, so I wonder for the next straight all-time draft about a 'One Player per Era' draft?

    I'm thinking of defining an era as 8 years so the most recent one could be 2010-2017.

    In theory someone could make a team of one player each from the last 11 periods of 8 years. If desired though adding players to the team from earlier than that would seem ok, since it happens occasionally in normal drafts. Probably again each of those periods (eras) could be defined as 8 years long.

    Example team (I don't think it'd be possible to pick this one in a straight draft in reality!):
    Lev Yashin (1954-1961); - Pick 5
    Cafu (1994-2001), - Pick 10
    Franco Baresi (1986-1993), - Pick 4
    Franz Beckenbauer (1970-1977), - Pick 2
    Antonio Cabrini (1978-1985); - Pick 11
    Stanley Matthews (1938-1945), - Pick 3
    Xavi (2002-2009), - Pick 6
    Andres Iniesta (2010-2017), - Pick 7
    Tom Finney (1946-1953); - Pick 9
    Giussepe Meazza (1930-1937), - Pick 8
    Pele (1962-1969) - Pick 1

    Players would be judged on peak form and general form (a bit more the former probably) within the selected 8 year period.

    But a player (I think - unless others disagree - we did have more than one version of players in the Sheep Draft World Cup for obvious reasons) should only be allowed to be selected once. So once Messi (2010-2017) is selected nobody can select Messi (2002-2009), and once Cruyff (1970-1977) is selected nobody can select Cruyff (1962-1969) or Cruyff (1978-1985). However if a drafter had selected someone already for 1994-2001, then if nobody had drafted Ronaldo (Brazil) at all as yet it'd be fine of course to select him in his 2002-2009 guise. Likewise if Kaka remained unselected till near the end, and somebody had a slot for 2010-2017 but not 2002-2009 then he can be selected still, even though it's a less optimal selection.
     
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  13. PDG1978

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    Mar 8, 2009
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    Just to clarify, I'm thinking the players would be judged on 1-2 years from the 'era' selected, not the whole time.


    Another idea for a game could be similar to what msioux has just arranged for World Cup 1950, but for an All-Time World Cup, with managers allocated 1 or more national squads to select. The format and number of teams would depend on the amount of people signing up. Somewhere between 12 teams (6 managers minimum, 12 maximum) and 32 teams (16 managers minimum, 32 maximum) could work I think - 16 teams and 24 teams also viable options for example. 12 or 16 could be good so that we had really top level squads in each case, but with all players in history available then I guess 24 or 32 could also work fine and add a bit more depth.
     
  14. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    What a about a 5-a-Side (fútbol 5) draft?

    All footballers available (no beach soccer, nor futsal players)

    But, the Messi, Pelé, Beckenbauer, Yashin et all judged in an Indoor pitch.
     
  15. Excape Goat

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    Mar 18, 1999
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    I am in for it.
     
  16. Excape Goat

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    Mar 18, 1999
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    Let's do a draft. Any draft?
     
  17. PDG1978

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    Mar 8, 2009
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    #242 PDG1978, Mar 31, 2018
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    I'd be ok with kicking off a thread for that one if you liked Excape Goat, but it depends on interest (we'd want at least 8 to 10 drafters, and more ideally 16 to 20 maybe). Presumably me and you (if you like the idea!) would be two drafters so maybe we could see if at least 6 more commit to it in here (or 5 more if La-Maquina's rep meant he'd take part too) and then open a sign-up thread?
     
  18. PDG1978

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    Just to re-quote that post, that followed the one above originally, too.
     
  19. poetgooner

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    Nov 20, 2014
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    Would you guys be interested in a FM draft? The voting is always very anti-climatic, so instead we could sim the results on the FM engine!
     
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  20. wm442433

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    Sep 19, 2014
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    I had prepared this some weeks ago : not saying it sholuld be played over the different recent proposals but please tell me if it's good or...not.

    * All-time draft (or since 1950 maybe). 11 picks.
    * 1 player per national league max (5 seasons in the assigned league with no more than one season with less than 15 games played and all at the top level). Once a "version" of a player is picked, he's not available anymore in another "version".
    * The players will be judged on what they did in their assigned league so the team as a whole, which as usual will also be judged about individual quality, balance, chemistry, players' peak/ longevity.

    * Snake draft format
    * Minimum 16 participants (for me) and say 24 max (18-20 would be the best arguably, for any game).


    In the formations & tactics thread, the participants would have to precise which league they're assigning to each player with the 3-letter code of the concerned country.

    For instance :

    [​IMG]

    Also, it would be Yugoslavia (Yug), Soviet Union (Sov) and Czechoslovakia (Cze).
     
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  21. PDG1978

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    Yeah, could be good (even as well as normal voting, rather than instead). It'd work for my ideas I think, as the players should all or mostly already be on your database.

    The issue might be the rating (particularly perceived under-rating) of some players, but that'd be the same whoever was in charge of editing (eg if I had done it instead), and you have been open to suggestions and amendments on that too. Probably editing of all 'main' players being done and agreed before drafting started would be best, but then we might want a quicker start than that!
     
  22. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    Yeah, nice idea. Maybe I'm not yet sure if 5 seasons is too many, but you'll have spent more time thinking about it than me (I'm just wondering if it might rule out some good choices - imports who had a wonder season or two in a league, or home players who left to go abroad at a young age after already playing brilliantly in their native league).
     
  23. wm442433

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    Sep 19, 2014
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    FC Nantes
    #248 wm442433, Mar 31, 2018
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2018
    I think that I found that 5 seasons was not too many but also that I thought that less would be not enough (players who had success and real impact abroad played 5 full seasons in 95% of the cases I'd say). Then, it would leave out Liverpool's Suarez for sure, for instance.
    Players who left their country at a young age would be judged on what they did at this young age in the country in question (what was the competitivness of the said league, of the player's team, did the player have already all the qualities that he was finally known to have, what did he do at international level during this time) or on what they then did abroad (depending of which version has been picked... I just prefer to precise again here).
     
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  24. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

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    Nov 20, 2014
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    Arsenal FC
    This is actually a strength not a weakness. In normal voting, you have no idea who the other voters under-rate or over-rate. At least in the FM engine, even if someone is under-rated or over-rated, it is transparent, and you can make your picks accordingly.
     
  25. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Yeah, maybe even erring on the side of 'high' overall ratings for all the all-timers would be good - making sure they'd be really exceptional players on the game if playing in 2017/18. But like I say you're in charge in the end of course, and getting them scored particularly high on the attributes they should be would be the main part for sure (as well as giving them the right positions etc).
     

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