Do We Let Them Vote Next Time?

That's kinda my point. Most Never Trumper's I know aren't identifying as republican. Their party has been hijacked.

 

Do we let them vote next time?

Well manipulating electoral results worked well for HRC during the Democratic Primary.

 

Have you ever considered that rather than cheating, the answer might be to reach out to Trump voters?

 

Question - "If we bad-mouth ************s and Mexicans as Trump does, might you consider voting for us?" Answer - "Well sure, I might."

Fair enough, that could be a strategy.

 

No, it would only work if you also bad-mouth the ****'s and the ********'s and the ******'s too! Oh, and don't forget the *****'s! Those people are the worst!

 

What form of primate communication do you suggest?

 

It's not Trump voters, they are beyond reach for the Democrats.

If you want to reach the newly independent voters or moderates, marching Pelosi out as future speaker isn't the way to go.

 

If Pelosi is the main issue, those are neither "independents", nor "moderates"...

 

I also think everyone should be allowed to vote.

My only problem with the "don't let Trump voters vote" is that you would have to know who people voted for, which would require alignment of an individual with a vote. And the secret ballot is paramount.

 

I find myself agreeing with stanger here. There are certainly a lot of conservatives of all party affiliations (and Republicans of all ideological stripes) that detest Pelosi. Forget about those voters. Pelosi also turns off a lot of independent moderates because she's been cast as an out of touch champagne liberal.

In a lot of ways, it's very similar to Romney in the Rust Belt in 2012. I don't think the narrative is necessarily fair, but it exists. If Dems are trying to peel away 2-3 pts of the vote, it makes sense for her to move to something of a consigliere role with someone a bit more "Main Street" running the show.

 

Like who?

The hate for Pelosi (or Warren, or Harris, or Schummer, or Castro, or Booker) is peddled from the Right Wing Media and if a voter has a poor opinion on one (or likely many/all) of them, is it really a vote that liberals can get?

Here are the numbers from two months ago:

NANCY PELOSI
Favorable /Unfavorable

Republicants 11/83
Independents 22/52
Democrats 55/27

In comparison McConell numbers with independents are 18/50, or about the same.

Now, if you tell me, that you want different leadership to ignite the Democratic votes...

And last, but not least, we are witnessing the worst administration in US history in several (if not all) possible dimensions. If you think that the main (or one of the top issues) to discuss, is who should be the voice of the democrats in the house, you are a) not really paying attention, and/or b) think too much of your own importance as a voter, that the party not in power, not corrupt, not enabling the Russians, needs to do just another thing to appease you.

 

No one comes to a conclusion on their own. All are under the influence of The Right Wing Media.

Except, of course, all the super-independent right-thinkers.

 

A new face would help, temporarily. But no matter what the face, it won't take long for the right to detest that person. And here I am #bothsidesdoit, because the left has done the same thing to every GOP speaker, minority leader, whatever.

 

I doubt that many who cheer candidates who denounce Nancy Pelosi could name a single thing she has done wrong, besides effectively leading the Democrats in the House.

But again, I do not claim this to be a right-only thing. This board might be able to detail Mitch McConnell's actions, but most people who don't like the guy could not do so.

 

Your statement is in no way incompatible with my facetiousness.

 

I don’t have a problem either way. Probably not most of the Dems. But apparently is a big issue for independent centrists.

 

Here you go Grape Ape:

Incredible. According to a new poll 70 percent of Americans now support Medicare for all—including 52 percent of Republicans! The momentum is with us. pic.twitter.com/6V8G8E35Nb

— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) August 23, 2018

 

The key is to get Trump voters to realize they’ve been suckered and played for fools without them feeling like they’re suckers and fools.

That being said, the racist Trumpers can just take a flying ******** at a rolling donut for all I care.

 

Only ignorant piss-boys refuse to acknowledge the reality that for most of the chaff in politics - the doublespeak, the rhetoric (claiming something one party does is horrible when their own party has done the very same thing), etc. AKA #bothsidesdoit is par for the course.

For example, do you detest the idea of Gorsuch as a SCOTUS? Don’t blame McConnell, blame Harry Reid.

It’s called #whatgoesaroundcomesaround

 

At this point, aren't people that still support Trump basically unflippable, and racist to the core?