Dit is mijn club, mijn ideaal. The Ajax thread. ☆☆☆ [R]

Orange14 · Jul 31, 2011

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I assume it would be for the wings.
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Yes, that's the position he plays for the Mexican NT. In addition to the Gold Cup he was on the Mexico U-23 team that was invited to fill out the field in the recent Copa America in Argentina. He played pretty well down there as well. If he is available at €4M we should pick him up as this is a more than fair price to pay. I think he could slot right in to the right wing with Sulejmani moving back to the left.

vagegast · Jul 31, 2011

I bet you Dos Santos' salary demands are sky-high.

pablo85 · Jul 31, 2011

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Yes, that's the position he plays for the Mexican NT. In addition to the Gold Cup he was on the Mexico U-23 team that was invited to fill out the field in the recent Copa America in Argentina. He played pretty well down there as well. If he is available at €4M we should pick him up as this is a more than fair price to pay. I think he could slot right in to the right wing with Sulejmani moving back to the left.
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I think de boer wants to play the Ajax philosophy with wingers having chalk under their boots from the sideline like Overmars, Finidi.
I don't think Dos Santos is that kind of winger, and I don't think he will 'sacrifice' himself to play that way, relatively far away from the goal.

And by that, we have Sulejmani, Özbiliz, Ebecilio, and a youth full with wingers who he'd be blocking.
A 4 million buy, is at least 6 million, with salary and other things.
1/10 of the total budget, those days are over in Holland, after the crisis in the league here.
If he fails you've thrown away 8 million, or more, considering he blocked the breakthrough of youth, in whom are invested big time, since they already play for Ajax since the age of 8-10 most of the time.

Orange14 · Jul 31, 2011

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I bet you Dos Santos' salary demands are sky-high.
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Maybe but there don't seem to be many teams lining up for him. It may be that they have to come down otherwise he's picking up pine splinters at Spurs this year.

JC-14 · Jul 31, 2011

I wouldn't mind to see him here. I always liked to watch his Ronaldinho-esque style.

I think all our current and upcoming wingers are pretty bad. De Sa has some potential but I don't think he's exceptional either. The big prospects are Fischer and Kischna but they are still a few years away from competing for a starting spot in the first team.

€4M for an exceptional talent like Dos Santos is not that expensive I think. Chances are pretty big that you can sell him for more than that if he plays a few games and scores a few goals. Janssen will cost us at least €6M as well, and he's a write-off.

Still prefer Narsingh though.

he so scrumptiouz · Aug 1, 2011

We're linked with Jasper Cillessen.

He's a couple of years younger than Vermeer and a couple of inches taller. Already been called up for Oranje, but didn't play. Although it's probably best for his career to stay at NEC, as an Ajax fan I'm greedy enough to love having him around should Kenneth be injured or having a slump.

Will be a lot cheaper than Vorm (who is basicly Vermeer II) and is considerably more talented.

JC-14 · Aug 1, 2011

Lovely triangles. I jizzed myself making this.

BTV802 · Aug 1, 2011

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Ahh thank you for that lovely image JC. But seriously, yes please on the formation.

JC-14 · Aug 1, 2011

Both the formation and the line-up in perfect balance. I cannot understand how anyone could think the popular modern version of 4-2-3-1 is superior. There is seriously lack of triangles, lack of backup due to players standing in line with each other, the wingers got too much space to defend and attack. And worst of all, there's a ********ing square in the middle!! That's not good for build-up play. That's good for building a wall.

It gets even worse when guys like De Jong and Ebecilio play. Or Van Bommel and Kuijt in contrast for Oranje.

Thank god Frank de Boer has seen the light. This last formation can only be forgiven when Vertonghen moves forward to connect with the midfield and makes it 3-4-3.

So much for my rant against modern fooball again.

JC-14 · Aug 1, 2011

Cruijff seems to be looking for a fistfight btw. He said, "I will not play by the rules. If I don't like the rules, I will ignore them, for the greater good of Ajax." I'm very curious to see where this is heading. He seems to be in conflict with the RvC already.

JC-14 · Aug 1, 2011

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Thank god Frank de Boer has seen the light. This last formation can only be forgiven when Vertonghen moves forward to connect with the midfield and makes it 3-4-3.
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Like this!:

he so scrumptiouz · Aug 1, 2011

Re: Dit is mijn club, mijn ideaal. The Ajax thread. [R]

Thank God that Voetbal International is back on TV. Ik ging stuk toen Rene over Ruiz en Adriaanse begon.

MeH had talks with Udinese yesterday, but he chased them away with his salary demands. - Johan Derksen *shrugs*

JC-14 · Aug 1, 2011

Re: Dit is mijn club, mijn ideaal. The Ajax thread.

I wrote out a transcript of the post match interview by Frank de Boer in supercup thread but since I can imagine people not being bothered to read the "argument" I had with you-know-who I will post it here as well. I think it gives interesting insight in the way Frank de Boer thinks about football for those who otherwise can't follow his Dutch interviews.

Bad trainers (90% of them) talk in generalities after games: 'we weren't composed enough', 'we were unbalanced', 'it was boys against men', 'we had to be smarter', etc. The usual nonsense. Frank shows exceptional ability to analyze and remember the essential mistakes and is able to convey them directly. Most people aren't even able to do that even after watching a dozen replays.

Q: Frank, was this a lesson in effectiveness?
A: Yes, you can say that of course. They were twice in front of our goal and scored two goals. Apart from that it was also naivity I think. Especially the first goal... how Nicolai was standing was not good. He got tricked by a very simple pass. That's just a learning process. And I've told him that. The important thing is that you don't do that next time. When Cornellise comes up, and Ebecilio coaches very well that you have to mark the upcoming man, yet you stand still and 1 simple pass beats 2 people. That's deadly on this level. And then you see a silly penalty coming from that too... And the second goal too, it happens in front of my nose, they (twente) couldn't get out of it. And we give them a meter free space for a second and they can get out of very simple. Okay, Ruiz' finish was fantastic. But they should have never been allowed to go from left to right in the first place. Those are details. We have to get rid of those.

Q: It frustrates you?
A: Well it's just a damn shame. You've have dominated for 90 minutes, and at times we played good. Only on the end against 10 men I think we should have been more patient, and have them (twente) run even more. And not just throwing in crosses, you should try to get through it in a footballing manner. Cause you see with every cross, there are a couple of giants there and they head the ball away. I don't think we did that right. And that's a lesson for next time.

Q: You just said "twence came in front of the goal twice and scored two goals". On the other side, you've come in front of goals so many times. You should have scored more.
A: Yes, definitely. I remember Christian in the first half made a good "action" through the inside, he had all the time he needed to shoot but shot it miles over the goal from 11 meter. That should be a goal 100%. The most important thing, I said this before the game, if you were to lose this game, it counts how you lose it. And of course, against 10 men is very sour. But we take it with us to next week. And I've seen very good things. We've dominated for 90 minutes. Against Twente. A good, normally speaking, Twente. I feel that we were better than Twente today. Only they were more effective. But again, I've seen positive things. And we take those with us to next weeks Sunday.

Q: The play is encouraging and gives perspective. Is it more difficult to score? Is that an issue of concern?
A: Nah, you might think "hey, why does he substitute Sightorsson when you're playing against 10 men, he's a headstrong striker". The man is just 3 weeks in training. Why do I sub Van der Wiel, who has good actions on the outside? Well because he's also just 3 weeks in training. Nicolai Boilesen, exactly the same. So I have chosen for the person, and at this moment not for the team interest cause in the end I will need them badly and if they get overtrained now then I might miss them 2 or 3 weeks or games in the league. And that's the last thing I want.

Q: That says something about how badly you wanted to win today. Otherwise you wouldn't have subbed out Sightorsson.
A: If they were part of the group from the start of the season they would have played 90 minutes. But because of circumstance, because of the youth world cup in Denmark, they have only been in training for 3 weeks. And if you start to push them too much, you will cut yourself in the fingers.
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aveslacker · Aug 1, 2011

Re: Dit is mijn club, mijn ideaal. The Ajax thread.

JC-14 said: ↑

I wrote out a transcript of the post match interview by Frank de Boer in supercup thread but since I can imagine people not being bothered to read the "argument" I had with you-know-who I will post it here as well. I think it gives interesting insight in the way Frank de Boer thinks about football for those who otherwise can't follow his Dutch interviews.

Bad trainers (90% of them) talk in generalities after games: 'we weren't composed enough', 'we were unbalanced', 'it was boys against men', 'we had to be smarter', etc. The usual nonsense. Frank shows exceptional ability to analyze and remember the essential mistakes and is able to convey them directly. Most people aren't even able to do that even after watching a dozen replays.
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Gotta love Frank. It's not just the players that are growing, either. Frank is growing as a manager as well, imo.

BTV802 · Aug 1, 2011

Re: Dit is mijn club, mijn ideaal. The Ajax thread.

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MeH had talks with Udinese yesterday, but he chased them away with his salary demands. - Johan Derksen *shrugs*
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He's asking for more money than he's making on his current contract. God please let somebody take him off of our hands.

Bemma · Aug 2, 2011

Edwin training with Ajax 1 today!

17.40 uur: Ajax D1 – Manchester United D1;

18.15 uur: Ajax’95 – Oranje’98 (2 x 15 minuten)
Ajax’95: Edwin van der Sar, Fred Grim, Danny Blind, Frank de Boer, Michael Reiziger, John van den Brom, Frank Rijkaard, Ronald de Boer, Finidi George, Nwankwo Kanu, Patrick Kluivert en Marc Overmars. Coaches: Louis van Gaal, Gerard van der Lem en Frans Hoek;

Oranje’98: Ruud Hesp, Giovanni van Bronckhorst, André Ooijer, Jaap Stam, Arthur Numan, Aron Winter, Wim Jonk, Phillip Cocu, Richard Witschge, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Dennis Bergkamp, Pierre van Hooijdonk en Boudewijn Zenden. Coach: Guus Hiddink; 19.10 uur:

Ajax – Dream Team Edwin van der Sar ( 2 x 30 minuten);
Dream Team: Edwin van der Sar, Rio Ferdinand, Nemanja Vidic, Giovanni van Bronckhorst, Gary Neville, André Ooijer, Michael Carrick, Phillip Cocu, Rafael van der Vaart, Alessandro del Piero, Ryan Giggs, Dirk Kuyt, Dennis Bergkamp, Louis Saha en Boudewijn Zenden. Coaches: Sir Alex Ferguson en René Meulensteen.
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alexleg · Aug 2, 2011

the farewell match and the list of those who are playing...makes me proud as a Ajax fan.

Will we get another surprise appearance of Van Basten and Johan? like Bergkamp's

Orange14 · Aug 2, 2011

Too bad Jari Litamen isn't coming in for the match but maybe his season has already started in Finland (I think this is his announced last year as an active player).

afcajax73 · Aug 2, 2011

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Too bad Jari Litamen isn't coming in for the match but maybe his season has already started in Finland (I think this is his announced last year as an active player).
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I thought he had already retired? may be wrong though.

he so scrumptiouz · Aug 2, 2011

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Roma have posted the financial details on Stekelenburgs transfer.

4 year contract, 6,3m upfront and 1m extra once he extends his contract or gets sold. So basicly 7,3 guaranteed, but we have to wait for the extra 1m. Everytime they reach a CL spot we get 0,5m extra, should they reach the CL in the next 4 years the total transfer amount will be 9,3m.

Orange14 · Aug 2, 2011

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Everytime they reach a CL spot we get 0,5m extra, should they reach the CL in the next 4 years the total transfer amount will be 9,3m.
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I'm not optimisitic on this money at all. Italy lost their 4th CL spot to Germany starting next season and it's going to be a real dogfight for those 3 spots.

feyenoordsoccerfan · Aug 2, 2011

Johan should find another whisperer than the Telegraaf as he is writing things about how he is going to behave as "Commissaris" that is going to put him into legal trouble as the role and the behaviour of this board and its members is prescribed by the law. Or he should get a very generous insurance for liability.

he so scrumptiouz · Aug 2, 2011

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Edwin training with Ajax 1 today!
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Some more pics

Helden!

Gotta learn from the best and whoa at the difference in height.

This picture made me chuckle for some reason lol.

Bemma · Aug 2, 2011

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I thought he had already retired? may be wrong though.
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Still going strong and playing for HJK Helsinki. Fit again and plays in the Europa League tomorrow!

JC-14 · Aug 2, 2011

Greg gives away his loser medal.

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