Discussing VAR [R]

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  1. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
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    United States
    That's a good point about coaches using VAR as a stalling tactic. But maybe you could require that the coach's challenge has to be for a controversial event.
     
  2. KMJvet

    KMJvet BigSoccer Supporter

    May 26, 2001
    Quake Country
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    United States
    I favor the NFL model as well. Coaches get a challenge...win it you keep it, lose it, you get no more. So, no one uses theirs frivolously or they likely wouldn't have on should it actually matter later in the game on some key play.
    For CR, they would use it only for being uncertain on the identify of a culprit.
     
  3. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
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    How's this for flabbergasting?

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  4. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
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    The VAR seemed fairly efficient last night after the Crew's Adam Jahn scored. I'm sure it will be even better after they iron out the kinks....
     
  5. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    It was a bit weird and I didn't see the result. But I assume the goal stood for the other team, before the PK was called back? If so, I have no issue with this, but the crew on this needs to work faster... it seemed like an obvious PK from the TV angle so either the video crew took too long to let the ref know or the ref ignored them.
     
  6. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
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    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
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    My FO friend came over to talk during halftime and said he was surprised that they didn't do VAR during that first half foul that appeared to be in the box, at least to us. He also told me -- and probably you all already knew this but I didn't -- that the way to invoke VAR is to draw a square in the air like a monitor, like what people used to do to indicate that someone else was, well, square. So if you think the referee shoiuld be going to VAR, that's how you let him know.
     
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  7. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Ricardo Salazar executed the first MLS use of VAR. It took awhile, but it appears to be a good decision. I didn't realize there is a video monitor behind the goal for the CR to see the replay before making his decision. Also, if you watch this video snippet to the end, in addition to Hilario Grajeda being the VAR the announcer mentions, there are also 3 other people listed (including Jorge Gonzalez). Does that mean there are really 4 people acting as VAR in MLS?

     
  8. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
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    Watching Portland vs. LAG and Zardes just scored off a handball and it was called off because of the VAR and he was booked. They wouldn't have called it had it not been for the VAR.
     
  9. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
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    Nov 15, 2003
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    VAR = keeping the Gals honest since 2017.
     
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  10. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
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    fyp.
     
  11. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
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    Especially since they've been dishonest since 1996! :)
     
  12. KMJvet

    KMJvet BigSoccer Supporter

    May 26, 2001
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    VAR seemed to mostly do what it's intended to do this weekend. Seems like a good debut. Maybe our game was an exception. One thing it doesn't do is fix ungiven red cards, such as in the the Atlanta versus Sporks game. I guess the Disco will have to do that, which to date has mostly been a dismal failure.
     
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  13. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
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    United States
    VAR = Value-Added Referee??

    I always think of VAR as value-added reseller... do these still exist, or did the internet disambiguate the disambiguators?
     
  14. falvo

    falvo Member+

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  15. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
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    A FIFA VAR video from the confederations cup, with Geiger and maruffo

     
  16. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
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    VAR sent off Kaka for jokingly putting his hands on former teammate Aurelien Collins' face. Maybe not the best decision on the part of VAR and Kaka...

     
  17. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
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    Looks like Kaka was jokingly trying to put his hands over Collins mouth to keep him from saying anything. Collins was even laughing about it. Sure, a red card by definition, but, methinks they overstepped on this one.
     
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  18. SalinasQuakesFan

    Mar 27, 2010
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    Enforce the rule or don't have the rule. Right?;)
     
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  19. leocal11

    leocal11 Member+

    Feb 7, 2005
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    Ridiculous.
     
  20. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    When I got certified to ref (pre-Jurassic period) , we were taught about the letter and the spirit of each law. Seems like the spirit isn't part of things any longer.
     
  21. chris thebassplayer

    Feb 18, 2014
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    I absolutely agree...apply some common sense to the situation.

    The red card for Kaka was one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. Any moron could see they were having fun, hence all the goofy smiling and laughing. Completely idiotic robotic interpretation of the situation...even more idiotic that they reviewed and let it stand.
     
  22. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
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    United States
    Someone needs to keep track the ratio of the number of times that VAR improves versus sullies an MLS game. If it isn't a markedly good ratio, then they need to go back to the drawing board.
     
  23. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
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    #49 mjlee22, Aug 16, 2017
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  24. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
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    Nov 15, 2003
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    We had a similar incident with Tim Howard putting Wondo in a headlock. I commented on it at the time. No call, nothing, which was appropriate if you're going by the spirit of the law but if you are now, with VAR, trying to be rules-based, either stick to the letter consistently...or if that's not viable, get rid of the law.
     

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