**Di Francesco & the Ghost of Zeman**

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  1. Goduerza

    Goduerza Member+

    Jun 13, 2008
    Bulgaria
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    AS Roma
    Let me guess how that went:
    Di Francesco said something about Zeman. Media took it out of context, making people believe he's Zeman 2.0. Fortunately, he's not.
     
  2. Salmeen10

    Salmeen10 Member+

    Jan 10, 2014
    Bahrain
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahrain
    No, if I remember correctly he said he was Zemanino but with better defence or something like that.
     
  3. Salmeen10

    Salmeen10 Member+

    Jan 10, 2014
    Bahrain
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    AS Roma
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    Bahrain
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  4. Roma_NY

    Roma_NY Member+

    Oct 19, 2009
    Washington, D.C.
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    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Offense is just broken and its the same reason as under Garcia. When you depend on your wingers and wide play, those wingers better be able to attack the box. Opposition teams have no problem keeping the ball wide and having you put in endless crosses. Dzeko gets like no good service so he has to go out looking for it. Nainggolan needs to play behind Dzeko so that he can occupy defenders and free up Dzeko through the middle.

    EDF needs to figure it out fast. Dzeko has to get back on track for us to have success.
     
  5. Big Bad Wolf

    Big Bad Wolf Member+

    Dec 17, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    I've said this about Dzeko before recently and I'll say it again. His movement in the box is rubbish. It's either put it on a dime for him or forget about it. I accept that we put our fair share of useless balls into the box that he has no chance of getting on the end of, but there's also, as I see it, no shortage of good balls going into the box too over the course of a match. Balls that Dzeko never gets on the end of because they require a little bit of anticipation and movement from the striker. There was one absolutely perfect example of this in the match yesterday. For me the problem is less about service and more about Dzeko himself actually.
     
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  6. Big Bad Wolf

    Big Bad Wolf Member+

    Dec 17, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Not that I'm one of those clamouring for a change in set-up just yet but, talking purely about formation, and oh how this feels like deja vu, the system that would seem to best suit our squad and individual strengths is the 3-5-2 (again).

    CB - Mano/Fazio/JJ(Moreno)

    RWB - Flo/Peres

    LWB - Kolarov/Emerson

    CM - Stroot(Pelle)/DDR(Gonalons/Radja)

    ACM - Perotti/Radja/Gerson/Pelle

    FW - Dzeko/El Sha(Schick/Defrel/Under)
     
  7. Wolfbeatseagle

    Wolfbeatseagle Member+

    May 7, 2007
    The Bermuda Tetrahedron
    Club:
    AS Roma
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    United States
    Rudi's Roma was very good at attacking one way. If you shut that down, game over.

    This Roma is decent at everything, great at nothing.
     
  8. Andreas

    Andreas Member+

    May 1, 2011
    Netherlands
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Greece
    We are great at signing the wrong players
     
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  9. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    #84 falvo, Jan 7, 2018
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    On the Rai they are saying it’s EDF’s time for crisis mode. Funny how he can go from hero to goat I’m a matter of weeks....
     
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  10. whill4

    whill4 Moderator
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    AS Roma
    Sep 11, 2011
    Returning Video Tapes
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    His job should be pretty safe. Finishing 4th is pretty much the minimum he has to do this season.
     
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  11. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    At the moment we are on course to finish fifth and that is where I expect us to finish unless we can significantly improve.

    Realistically, the highest we can finish is fourth because I expect Lazio to finish third.
     
  12. Big Bad Wolf

    Big Bad Wolf Member+

    Dec 17, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    EdF's job is only under threat if 4th starts to look like it's in real danger. It's too early for that. But I tell you, if the rest of our games this month go badly, that may well change.
     
  13. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I think by the time we play the second leg against Shaktar on 13 March fourth place would have already gone and the only route to CL will be to win it this season which is impossible, so I am preparing for the EL next season.
     
  14. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Why not use 4312?

    It is not my favourite formation but seems well suited to our squad because Schick could support Dzeko with Perrotti or Gerson in their natural role as the trequartista behind the two strikers.

    This could help resolve our inability to create clear chances for Dzeko and Schick and lift the burden of creativity currently hanging over our not so creative midifield.
     
  15. Salmeen10

    Salmeen10 Member+

    Jan 10, 2014
    Bahrain
    Club:
    AS Roma
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    Bahrain
    I hate this formation but for once it might be the better option. EDF has no desire to start using it though.
     
  16. Shen-O

    Shen-O Member+

    United States
    Jul 26, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No way we don't get top 4
     
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  17. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Lazio could well be +4 on us after the next match day, and their game in hand is at home to Udinese while ours is at Sampdoria.

    It could even be over by the time we play the second leg against Shaktar on 13 March.

    The problem with 4312 is that it marginalises SES and Under, players we should be using a fair bit.

    We could try 442 instead, with Schick supporting Dzeko in attack and Defrel as the back up. That way we get to utilise our wide players and have the "luxury" of playing only two midfielders - I think our midfield is the lowest quality part of the squad - like Pellegrini and Nainggolan for example.

    When we have been in trouble during games EDF has usually removed a midfielder rather than a defender and switched to something like 442, so perhaps it is the most likely alternative to 433.
     
  18. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Scrap my idea above!

    I think EDF is entitled to stick to his philosophy and principles of play. We hired him to cultivate a style of play that we trust will bring rewards in terms of attractive play and eventually titles.

    If you read Italian or are prepared to use a translation tool, this article explains his approach very well.

    http://www.ultimouomo.com/la-crescita-della-roma-di-di-francesco/
     
  19. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I think it is a real dilema: does Di Francesco stick to his principles or adapt to what he has available which is probably more suited to 4312.

    The thing is he absolutely has to finish at least fourth to get another year. Maybe next summer he can then demand from Monchi the type of players he needs to implement his preferred tactic: that would be a compromise with - hopefully - a happy ending.
     
  20. whill4

    whill4 Moderator
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    AS Roma
    Sep 11, 2011
    Returning Video Tapes
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just don't see a small formation change making a huge difference here. Even in a 4-2-3-1 we still don't have a proper RW or any creative influence in the middle. And in a 4-3-1-2 we will just play one more defensive minded midfielder than usual. It's a player problem.

    We need a big signing or two in January. A Radja or Perotti level player.
     
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  21. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
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    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you move to a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-1-2 you don't need the same type of pure winger that you need in a 4-3-3 and in both formations you are able to flood the MF without forcing a winger to keep coming inside. In a 4-3-3 you need a MF force to be successful, not so much in the other formations
     
  22. Big Bad Wolf

    Big Bad Wolf Member+

    Dec 17, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Personally, 3-5-2 has always been my own favoured formation. But for it to work you need, above all else, quality wingbacks. Are ours good enough? I couldn't be sure. It would be a big change from the current norm however and probably not feasible at this point. Besides I'm not sure if EdF is a fan of 3 at the back. But you cant deny that, at least on paper, we look to have the personnel for it.
     
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  23. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IMO, Florenzi, Peres and Emerson would all be better as wingbacks. I like the 3-5-2 much more but I just don't see EdF moving to that formation
     
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  24. La Magica

    La Magica Member+

    Aug 1, 2011
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Technically they are all variations of the 4-3-3 with little difference when you break it down. No matter how you slice it, we need another creator in midfield on the pitch with Perotti.
    I would say no player can go through a season, carry the whole burden with a top side and be expected to be competing at the end of the season.
     
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  25. Marco9

    Marco9 Member

    Oct 29, 2006
    Canada
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Perotti had had a massive drop in form lately, actually a lot of players are in the same situation after that 2nd Chelsea game.

    Im really not sure what happened...

    Dzeko was scoring like crazy, 8 goals in 9 games smthg like that, now 1 or 2 in the last 8?

    Perotti, Kolarov, even Ninja. Arrogance? Complacency? Im not sure but its extremely weird
     

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