Des Moines Menace

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  1. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    why none ever tought about luring Des Moines into the Nasl? After the departing of Minnesota United to MLS the Menace would be a steady presence in the Midwest considering they average more than 3000 people and they're just in PDL
     
  2. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
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    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You do realize people have asked every year why the Menace don't go pro?

    We can only assume they like their success equilibrium they've achieved. Why rock the boat?
     
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  3. New_York_Cosmos

    New_York_Cosmos Red Card

    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
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    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    that's a pity and a waste, furthermore Nasl need to expan in the midwest so I don't get why none in the league went to talk to them and convince them to jump into a new league
     
  4. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you just going to do this with every lower level club?

    The Menace are an amateur club. They've done fine as an amateur club. They are in a relatively small metro area.

    You just posted about the Philadelphia Fury (whose owner couldn't sell the DNC a time machine) being a potential benefit to "future television deals." Do you think Des Moines, Iowa adds anything in that regard?

    Forget it, let's bring in @aetraxx7 on this one. AE, why don't the Menace go pro? And why won't they just jump right from the amateur ranks to Division II?
     
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  5. New_York_Cosmos

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    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    No it would not add to tv deals but it would be a steady presence in Midwest and Nasl need one
     
  6. New_York_Cosmos

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    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    and yes I am going to do it with every lower division team I see feasible for a move into Nasl, by the way even if Peterson is not the commissioner anymore I keep on sharing his view on Nasl and I still hope in the years will be able to contend the first division crown to MLS
     
  7. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why?

    And what makes you think they would be a "steady presence?"

    Do you know how big the jump is from the PDL to DIII, much less DII?

    There has been talk routinely about Des Moines because they're a long-term franchise that has had success at the amateur level and draw very well for a PDL team.

    That does not mean they could turn pro next month, next year or in two or five years.

    That does not mean they should be courted because of their geography. There's only just over 600,000 people in their metro.

    Have you seen what happens to amateur clubs that try to turn pro?
     
  8. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, good luck with that.

    You're going to get a lot of the same responses, then. Are you lonely, is that it?
     
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  9. New_York_Cosmos

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    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
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    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    stop being such a obnoxious prig or I will be forced to get rude to you Kenn
     
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  10. New_York_Cosmos

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    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    600k people in metro area mean 15000 people who could show up to stadium
     
  11. New_York_Cosmos

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    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    you're the lonley one aiming at my topics and firing them as you were doing a safari, get a life please
     
  12. New_York_Cosmos

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    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    New York Cosmos were amateurs in fact and turned pro.....and they wrote history
     
  13. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Um, no they weren't.

    The Cosmos were never an amateur club.
     
  14. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty easy, actually.

    Get an education, please.
     
  15. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, please do. You're doing so well.
     
  16. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Based on what math?

    They have 600k people in the metro area and 3k people show up now. Where are the other 12k going to come from? The magical lure of being professional?
     
  17. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well after they just talk to them and convince them to join the NASL (which is easy, that's why NASL has so many teams, just gotta have the talk) they will easily be able to increase attendance by about 500% now that they are D2.
     
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  18. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fort Lauderdale (metro population 5.7M) barely had 21,000 people attend their entire home schedule in 2016.
     
  19. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because they didn't "do it right"
     
  20. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
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    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Theres no incentive in Des Moines. They already get good attendance and are solid in PDL. Why pay expansion fees? Will more people in that smallish-metro come out because they are pro instead of amateur? Will they come out because they are playing the world famous Cosmos as opposed to the St Louis Lions or Thunder Bay Chill? Doubtful.
     
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  21. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Most likely yes, but probably not enough to be worth the jump.
     
  22. New_York_Cosmos

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    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    well they average 3000 they could easily jump to 5000
     
  23. C-Rob

    C-Rob Member

    May 31, 2000
    How?
     
  24. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Keep in mind that moving to NASL would entail adding games outside of the favorable summer months. Would they be able to nearly double their attendance with 16 games from March to November? Much tougher than you think.
    Would the increase in revenue and risk overcome the DRASTICALLY higher operating expenses? Most likely no, otherwise it would have been done already
     
  25. New_York_Cosmos

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    Nov 10, 2010
    Monza
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    sponsorships, tv deals
     

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