Democrats In The Wilderness

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  1. VFish

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    Yeah, his love letter made me cry, of course laughing hysterically will do that.

    Skateboard Jesus 2020!
     
  2. sitruc

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    Exactly. It's not coincidence the first two posters to put it on this board.
     
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  3. VFish

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    Don't look at me, I am backing Skateboard Jesus in 2020, he's dreamy!
     
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  5. charlie15

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    #2905 charlie15, Nov 15, 2018
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    This BS story has been propagated by the disgraced/disgruntled and overall scumbag called Mark Penn. He is just trying to stay relevant for Fox viewers.

    Good article from NYMag on this canard.

    This particular prophecy, for want of a better term, is blindingly stupid. As far as I’m concerned, Hillary Clinton has the right to do whatever she wants. But she’s not going to run for president again, in part because she understands that her fellow Democrats have almost exactly zero interest in rerunning the last excruciating contest. HRC2020 speculation exists entirely within the fantasy world of Republicans whose idea of heaven is to perpetually chant “Lock Her Up!” while reliving a whole generation of Clinton hatred.
    Penn and Stein should be investigated as political pornographers.

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/no-hillary-clinton-wont-be-the-2020-democratic-nominee.html
     
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  6. Boloni86

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    I will be watching what comments, if any, she will make during the primaries and ensuing general election. Will she endorse anyone? Will she make a campaign appearance at a rally?

    Also keep an eye on Bill. The party has used him as a pep rally speaker in the last two conventions. Will he even show his face in this "me too" environment?
     
  7. VFish

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    Have you seen Bill lately? He looks like an extra that stepped off the set of "The Walking Dead".
     
  8. Matrim55

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    The field's gonna be huge.

    Can't imagine any of the centrists, save Biden, have a chance in the primaries.
     
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  9. superdave

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    I think it’s going to be a Senator. Senators can point to a record of fighting Trump. Governors can’t.
     
  10. Deadtigers

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    I would like Uncle Joe to win on one and done mandate and set the table for a VP to win for 8 years. His VP choice should someone else from that field.
     
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  11. Dr. Wankler

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    28 people?

    Man, too bad MSNBC will never be able to pay all of them. What will the losers do?
     
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  12. Boandlkramer

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    MSNBC will elevate whoever they are TOLD to....I like Maddow, but at her salary, I can’t help but think her agenda isn’t entirely hers...Russia and Trump generally monopolizes her broadcast...
     
  13. Deadtigers

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    Go to Camden, NJ if you want to see an urban food desert. There are some cities where you can get a gun easier than find fresh produce. Hospital mergers are happening in cities too. You should see how busy the community health centers get. Demon-rat Kirsten Gillenbrand proposed the post office banking act https://slate.com/business/2018/04/kirsten-gillibrands-ambitious-postal-banking-bill.html . also remember who got the CFPB started and who voted to have it gutted by voting into power people who hated it, because economic anxiety, emails and ovaries. I live in an area of Western NY that just lost a New Era plant to Florida because of the Union wages so I am well aware of the one town employer concept. There Republicans up here who are upset and blame have a union and a working wage.

    All these issues are as prominent in the city as they are in the country. The thing is the GOP has identity politics so you have poor whites hating poor blacks, because of race. Environmental industrial jobs like the one's USA lost out on the electric car battery and making Teslas to China thanks to the Trump tariffs, that is ok cause they make caring about the environment for hipsters and snowflakes.

    The Dems have to improve their messaging but how do you fight the propaganda bias and racism that fill those areas? The voters need to have a look at their priorities too.
     
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  14. song219

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    It depends on how many centrists vs how many progressives run. The progressives may all knock each other out.
     
  15. VFish

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    I remember when SuperDave said the Republicans were going to be in the woods for 40 years. I think that was in 2006. LOL
     
  16. sitruc

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    If Trump is the republican party now, where is that party? Of course this isn't the thread for that though.
     
  17. Matrim55

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    I honestly almost started a "GOP headed toward the wilderness" thread the other day. It's worth thinking about, and hopefully after 2020 will be worth discussing.
     
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  18. JohnR

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    Maureen Dowd this weekend wrote a strangely timed "Democrats are in the wilderness because they abandoned economic populism" article. She correctly pointed out that Trump muddied the waters in 2016 by talking about how he would be tough on Wall Street and was for the little guy and so forth, and that Hillary was widely viewed as a corporatist Democrat, so that many voters decided here was no difference between the two of them on economic issues.

    But of course there was. Trump has rolled back every Obama regulatory initiative that he could, SEC corporate actions have dwindled, and the DOJ basically has stopped enforcing anti-trust statutes. All of which was eminently predictable.

    But that's not my point. My point is that nobody but me, and a handful of other Democrats, noticed or care. No Trump voter can be bothered. They didn't vote on economic populism, despite what Ms. Dowd thinks. They voted because "Trump understands people like me," which means he doesn't like Mexicans, thinks Black Lives Matter is stupid, doesn't want anybody with turbans walking around, supports guns, and so forth. The occasional Wall Street bashing during the campaign season serves as a bonus, but people who vote for Trump don't really care about that stuff. It won't hurt Trump's support a bit if he says those things during the campaign and then acts otherwise when elected.

    I do think the Democrats should be economic populists, because it's the right thing to do. But quietly. Despite what Maureen thinks, that's a vote loser. The Republicans will shriek "anti business" and "anti job creation," which will spook some of the suburban voters that the Democrats have recently won, and which will win back exactly zero working-class whites.

    That said, I think being very vocal on both health care and infrastructure are winners. We know already that health care is a winner, and infrastructure will be too, because people realize that things are crumbling, and infrastructure projects create jobs. Improving infrastructure is a job-creating government program that can be credibly sold as being necessary, rather than as a boondoggle, because it *is* necessary. A lot of these cans have been kicked down the curb for too long.
     
  19. VFish

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    "Shovel ready jobs"?
     
  20. superdave

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    By whom?
    It's possible, but I think it's a lot more likely that the field will winnow by, like, the 5th contest.

    The first 4 are Iowa, NH, SC, then Nevada, right? Then it opens up?
     
  21. ArsenalMetro

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    The first four are those (NV third and SC fourth) in February, then Super Tuesday (March 3) has 9 primaries, including California, Massachusetts, Texas, and Virginia. No one serious is dropping out before that.

    I know every political nerd talks about the possibility of a brokered convention every primary cycle, but with proportional delegates being awarded in every Democratic contest, and with such big states coming so early, I think it's far more likely in 2020 than it has been in a long time.
     
  22. ceezmad

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    Money,
    there is only so much money to go around, you can perhaps stay in with a few hundred thousand dollar budget for a while, but after Iowa and New Hampshire, money will flow to a selected few, that is when you see the culling of candidates (well at least from 20+ to the 10 or so range).
     
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  23. song219

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    Besides I suspect this will be the most expensive primary in history.
     
  24. ceezmad

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    Shit at the end of the day, when January 1st 2020 comes around we may find ourselves with Biden vs Sanders as the 2 front runners, and the only 2 that the media pays any attention to.


    Who knows,
     
  25. MatthausSammer

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    Large cities are often prohibitively expensive and already overcrowded.
     

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