By Dan Loney on Aug 30, 2017 at 11:43 PM
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    Deloitte UK's Promotion and Relegation Report - Part 3

    By Dan Loney on Aug 30, 2017 at 11:43 PM
    I was minding my own business, planning how to further trash multinational accounting and consulting firms, when all of a sudden I see this:



    Oh, so now we don't want to talk about financials? I wonder what's changed. Did an accounting firm release a report on promotion and relegation that didn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny, or something?

    Speaking of the slightest scrutiny, let’s go back to the Deloitte fan poll.

    The one that isn't in the report? The one that said "88" more often than an Aryan motorcycle gang? The nice people at Fleischer Communications have given us a little insight.

    I'm being more or less sincere. I certainly wouldn't be responding to me, if we were each other.

    Anyway, after the press release, I e-mailed back and said "How method poll took?" or words to that effect. Fleischer Communications answered with a link to the full report, and we've all had a wonderful time ever since. But I did write and say, "Poll not in report. Poll in press release, but not in report. Where poll? How poll work?" or words to that effect.

    And, by golly, here's the response:

    The survey was conducted by a reputable company on behalf of Deloitte. It was completed by 1,058 respondents, which included:

    • 499 respondents – who were representative of the wider National US Audience


    • 559 additional respondents – who had previously stated they have an interest in soccer or enjoy watching soccer.

    Of the population of 1,058 respondents – all were interested in at least one of MLS, NASL, USL or National Team.

    All respondents were based in the USA.

    Now, if someone can explain to me the difference between those two groups, I'm all ears. If I'm parsing this correctly, Reputable Inc. found 499 people representing a cross-section of America but were also interested in at least one of MLS, NASL, USL or National Team. Then they added 559 people who were also interested in at least one of MLS, NASL, USL or National Team...but were not representative of the wider US audience.

    Whatever. Let’s pretend that the poll came down from Moses.

    So what?

    It doesn't matter how many people, in whatever category, think promotion and relegation is nifty or not. The question is whether it's a good idea. In the immortal lyrics of Justin Bieber, "popular is not the same as good."

    Reputable and Sons LLC notwithstanding, this was supposed to be a business justification for promotion and relegation. If 88% of your customers want you to hurt your business? You're not going to do it.

    Ah! But what if that 88% is passionate and determined? That 88% can unite against the corporate overlords and force real change! Well, sure...if promotion and relegation wasn’t aimed to attract the least motivated and least committed fans.

    How do I know this? I read it in a DeloitteUK report.

    Here’s the evidence DUK presents to prove that promotion and relegation is more popular on TV than Brand X:

    In contrast, evidence from open leagues suggests that the dynamic of promotion and relegation delivers a more appealing broadcast product. For example, analysis of the English Championship in 2015/16 serves to highlight this as the two clubs that achieved automatic promotion (Burnley and Middlesbrough) saw considerable increases in their latter regular season games that decided their promotion:

    Burnley’s deciding match against Queen’s Park Rangers saw their highest average broadcast audience of the season, of 551,000, 74% higher than the season average for the other (13) Burnley matches broadcast in the season (source: EFL, Kantar).

    The match between Middlesbrough and Brighton and Hove Albion, which secured Middlesbrough’s promotion was the second highest average audience (436,000) and the highest peak audience of the season (697,000), with the average being more than 32% higher than the average for the other (15) matches in which Middlesbrough appeared on television (source: EFL, Kantar).

    This is not just the regular season race either, with the English Championship playoffs seeing matches for the participants ranging from between 22% and 163% higher than the regular season averages for those clubs, and between 47% and 216% higher when compared to the season average for all matches in the league.

    The evidence for the increased attractiveness, from a broadcast perspective, is not just limited to England. The second leg of the Serie B play off final in Italy in 2016, between Trapani and Pescara drew an average audience of 467,434 a Serie B record for Sky Italia.

    You know what? Let’s give them this. Just put a big red bow on it and say “Job well done.”

    I might bring up in passing that if promotion by itself was the draw, then the Championship wouldn’t need to have promotion playoffs at all, would they? I’d say something about how it might have been a more useful idea to use ratings for American television audiences. I’d expand on that thought by reminding everyone that thanks to Liga MX, we could even compare ratings for playoff implication games versus games with relegation implications.

    And knowing me, I'd probably be tempted to point out that since a promotion race is supposed to be a race, it would be nice to know whether the other six teams benefited from the excitement as well before the actual playoffs...or whether the Burnley-QPR and Boro-BHA games simply took away viewers from other games.

    And I'd probably expand that thought to include years besides 2015/16, because, I mean, they do this every year. Might be a pattern somewhere? Something that could be measured and analyzed by professionals, even?

    But no. It's Believe Everything We Read Day. Promotion and relegation matches draw bigger audiences than playoff spot matches. DeloitteUK proves it beyond any shadow of a doubt. MLS ratings drop off drastically from summer to autumn. But come springtime, we love us some Middlesbrough. Pretty open and shut. Good work, DeloitteUK!

    ...just a couple of things.

    Those promotion and relegation matches? DeloitteUK somehow managed to forget the “and relegation” part.

    I mean, we’ve read about narrative and such, over and over, and compelling content, and how MLS needs something to give the season a little pepper when the kids go back to school. I hate to be a stickler, but, the thing about MLS is, there’s not really much we can do for them as far as promotion matches are concerned.

    So, glad to hear about Burney and Boro’s groovy ratings, but, I think the more useful comparison would be how many people slowed down to watch the car crashes.

    If any enterprising young accountant would care to check, the teams you are looking at for 2015/16 are Bolton Wanderers, Charlton Athletic, and Milton Keynes. And brother, they stunk it up something wild! Those three were underwater from the jump! They must have been piling up the ratings like crazy!

    Seems like the kind of thing that shouldn’t be taken for granted, though.

    Because if relegation matches didn't draw appreciably better than otherwise...or even vary noticeably more than quality or popularity of opponent, time of day, time of season, and so on...well, it's one thing to use the Johnson & Johnson brand Band-Aid Non-Stick Bandage on the kneecap you just blasted with the shotgun. It's another to put it on the other kneecap.

    But this is the case FOR promotion and relegation. All the bad things that could happen to a relegated team? That would obviously be covered in detail - responsible, dutiful, professional detail, worthy of the very Biggest and Fourest - in Section 6.

    What’s that? You’re worried that Section 6 would only be one-fifth the size of Section 5, and half of that taken up with “Maybe it wouldn’t be so bad if” followed by fantasies Gary Gygax wouldn’t believe? Oh, come on - could you imagine if a reputable accounting or consulting firm tried to pull a fast one like that? They’d be laughed out of the business!

    Glad there’s no chance of that happening.

    But like I said, we’re giving this to them. MLS ratings will go up with a few relegation matches. Give those lazy sons of bitches a reason to exert themselves, am I right? What could go wrong? Is there something else that would prevent MLS fall ratings from….wait, what's this?

    “The start of the NFL season may also be a contributing factor in lower audiences for MLS in the autumn.”

    ….oh, THAT.

    You know what? I’m on Deloitte’s side here! SCREW the NFL! SCREW gridiron! I mean it! Why are we trying to get football fans not to watch football? We want soccer fans! It’s a better game, after all, isn’t it?

    Here’s the thing.

    First of all, it isn’t just the NFL. If DeloitteUK’s Sports Business Group ever decides to maybe, I dunno, pick up the phone (or “braces,” as they say in England) and talk to an American, they’d learn that the NFL pretty much is a Sunday thing. They play a few games on Monday, to make some extra money. And they play a few games on Thursday, to make some extra money and make sure the product sucks just that extra little bit more.

    You’d think they play on Saturdays.

    And they do. End of December, January, around then.

    September, October, November...not so much.

    No real reason for that.

    Except for the biggest god-damn time sink in the athletic world, the dawn to dusk embarrassment to amateurism and education that calls itself college football, cursed be those who sail in her. Imagine watching Iowa every week. My family makes me turn it off whenever I do. And they’re right, I admit that.

    But this isn’t about Kirk Ferentz being the biggest white collar criminal in America today. This is about marketing. And what we want to show to fans who are actually reachable.

    We’ve talked about how American sports see themselves. They would never admit there was anything else drawing people to (gridiron) football, except football. You and I know it’s a deeply flawed game. I’m sure DeloitteUK is rightly repelled by the whole thing.

    And we’ve talked about what promotion and relegation markets. Something outside the field of play. Something that, if the NFL felt like it, it could use for itself. However, many fans of soccer nowadays are willing to swear that the most important and essential thing about it has nothing to do with what actually happens on the field.

    Great! Let’s accept that premise, too. Soccer without promotion and relegation is nothing.

    Forget the long-term negatives of what happens to relegated teams. DeloitteUK sure does. Let’s pretend all this is gospel.

    Teams in danger of relegation tend to - and I apologize for the overly technical jargon - suck. They play bad soccer, get bad results, and basically annoy the crap out of anyone unfortunate enough to follow them.

    When you market relegation, you market teams that are in danger of being relegated. This year, that would mean - oh, let’s see, who’s a disgrace to the sport this year - my beloved Galaxy.

    I would never in good conscience tell someone to watch this year’s Galaxy. Especially someone new to the sport, open to the sport, wanting to learn what’s good and fun about soccer. Here’s some math for you. Good and fun soccer = 1/2017 Galaxy. This season cannot end fast enough, and I can’t want to pretend it never happened.

    Promotion and relegation means MLS marketing the 2017 LA Galaxy. And the equivalent of the 2017 LA Galaxy. Every season.

    Teams in MLS that are trying to clinch a playoff spot come in all forms. Some are just kinda there. Some had a hot start, and have given themselves way too much drama at exactly the wrong time. (FC Dallas, wave to the nice people.) And some have made a couple of changes, added a player or two in the transfer window, and are about to play the best soccer in the league from here on out.

    That’s what you want to show to disaffected gridiron fan. Not the Chargers’ worthless roommates.

    What gridiron does right? They show good teams playing other good teams whenever possible. Good teams playing not-so-good teams when the good matchups aren’t available. Because among other reasons, they have decades of data showing that good teams get more viewers than bad teams.

    Let’s say MLS takes Deloitte’s advice, and starts kicking teams out of the league. Millions, perhaps even thousands, watch the Galaxy do its imitation of Titanic passengers being rescued by the Hindenburg. Maybe the Galaxy survive, maybe they don't. But they watched the Galaxy, instead of something, you know, not hideous.

    Have we made those viewers into soccer fans? Or Something At Stake fans?

    That would be nice to know. But we don’t, because DeloitteUK’s Sports Business Group couldn’t be bothered to do anything more than take two games in England and one in Italy to extrapolate the entire history of the sport. Thanks, guys.

    But what I do know is that DeloitteUK, thanks to Reputable Polls and Notions, found that a huge cross-section of American soccer fans, or at least fans based in the United States, think it's absolutely crucial to have some kind of gimmick in order to watch American soccer.

    Remember, we're taking Deloitte and Reputable at their word here. Eighty-eight percent of American soccer fans. Not Eurosnobs. Not Mexican national team fans pointing and laughing. Not the Saturday morning pub crowd. Not the hipsters. American soccer fans.

    I really, really hope Reputable's methodology ends up as untrustworthy as DeloitteUK's. Because otherwise - we haven't spent the past twenty-plus years making people into soccer fans. We've just turned them into people who slow down to watch traffic accidents.

    Oh, and Chart 5 on page 16 of the Deloitte report is the same one as Chart 14 on page 29. DeloitteUK just didn’t care.

    It’s weird, the NFL never plays on Fridays. Is high school football really so big that the NFFL (second F deliberate) has to kowtow to a bunch of pimply-faced teens? What does THAT say about America, I wonder.

    Next: Let's take a break and watch World Cup qualifiers! Winners get promoted to playing next summer, losers get relegated to...not playing next summer. You know, I’m starting to think you don’t need relegation to enjoy this sport.
     

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Discussion in 'Articles' started by Dan Loney, Aug 30, 2017.

    1. Cavan9

      Cavan9 Member

      Nov 16, 2011
      Silver Spring, MD
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      DC United
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      United States

      Deloitte UK's Promotion and Relegation Report - Part 3

      By Dan Loney on Aug 30, 2017 at 11:43 PM
      Also, no money for all the kleptocrats. That's what's more important.
       
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    2. MM66

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      Deloitte UK's Promotion and Relegation Report - Part 3

      By Dan Loney on Aug 30, 2017 at 11:43 PM
      FIFA likes money, but I doubt it sees cash in either side of this issue. Though a bunch of lucre-stuffed envelopes costs a lot less than an MLS expansion fee, just saying. It also likes the capricious exercise of power. Politically speaking, taking the U.S., particularly a group of American fat cats, down a peg probably plays well with various FIFA constituencies. I'm not going to pretend I've got a bead on the internal dynamics animating FIFA's priorities. It's really just a case of whether this ever becomes a hair across FIFA's ass.

      If it doesn't then no pro-rel, because no way are a pack of oligarchs going to do it on their own.
       
    3. juvechelsea

      juvechelsea Member+

      Feb 15, 2006

      Deloitte UK's Promotion and Relegation Report - Part 3

      By Dan Loney on Aug 30, 2017 at 11:43 PM
      Sorry, many small island nations or other countries probably have only one league. It is a misreading to suggest FIFA requires additional divisions be set up and pro-rel between them.

      What FIFA did was say, if you have pro-rel, sporting factors have to be the primary reason teams move up or down. In plain English, you drop for losing and rise for winning. You aren't elevated based on TV contracts or because the Minister of Sport or President loves FC Soccerclub.

      This is just like the rules where politicians cannot interfere in the national soccer federations' affairs, which every couple years catches some country in a suspension. The idea is soccer and national politics are kept separate and if you have pro-rel it's sporting and not politics.

      So the lawsuit is a dog and MLS is not going to be required to change a thing. MLS is disinterested in pro-rel. The only entity currently salivating at pro-rel in the USA is NASL and its teams are economically struggling and so the league is trying to force MLS to legitimize and empower it by demanding D2 status and pro-rel into MLS, which would give the teams a foothold and raison de etre. Failing that, they are trying to sell pro-rel in lower divisions. But I don't think most fans will care what is happening in NPSL or NASL and who has moved to where there.
       
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    4. juvechelsea

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      Deloitte UK's Promotion and Relegation Report - Part 3

      By Dan Loney on Aug 30, 2017 at 11:43 PM
      We don't need promotion playoffs to drum up late season interest in a single table schedule, we already have playoffs. It's funny that Europhiles go all ballistic on hokey Americanism and then bring it back in the back door by saying have playoffs for pro-rel spots.

      The reality is that with pro-rel playoffs and financial fair play, the trend is actually for Europe to mimic our way of doing things. The Neymar kerfuffle is about their version of a de facto salary limit.
       
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    5. barroldinho

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      Deloitte UK's Promotion and Relegation Report - Part 3

      By Dan Loney on Aug 30, 2017 at 11:43 PM
      Why not? That's basically what it took to get MLS where it is today.
       
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    6. MM66

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      Deloitte UK's Promotion and Relegation Report - Part 3

      By Dan Loney on Aug 30, 2017 at 11:43 PM
      And they want to make all new members into their club pay nine digits to join. They've even got other oligarchs lining up to do it. They seem to like the racket they're running. Don't expect them to change it without external pressure.
       
    7. barroldinho

      barroldinho Member+

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      Deloitte UK's Promotion and Relegation Report - Part 3

      By Dan Loney on Aug 30, 2017 at 11:43 PM
      You may have missed my point, or I'm missing yours... perhaps even both?

      I'm saying that it took hundreds of millions of dollars, and a large chunk of commitment to get MLS to this point (remember that there was a brief moment in 2002 when MLS had technically folded). The subtext of the griping we hear from certain interests outside the league, seems to imply a reluctance to make a similar kind of financial and philosophical commitment to creating a league that operates under the system they claim to want.

      If those interests were actually prepared to back this vision, rather than bleating that USSF, FIFA or MLS won't just give to them, that could amount to precisely the type of external influence you're talking about, assuming it didn't fail horribly.
       
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    8. Beau Dure

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      Deloitte UK's Promotion and Relegation Report - Part 3

      By Dan Loney on Aug 30, 2017 at 11:43 PM
      The best "external pressure" would be demonstrating to MLS owners that pro/rel would be in their best interests. That can be done by showing clubs can be promoted and relegated between Divisions 2, 3 and 4 while maintaining loyal fan bases, and it can be done with a well-constructed system of parachute payments similar to what we see in England and elsewhere.

      The worst "external pressure" is yelling at people who put their money where your mouth is to risk even more money and then tell other soccer fans to piss off and watch baseball if they don't "get it." (That's basically the Twitter strategy.)
       
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    9. barroldinho

      barroldinho Member+

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      Deloitte UK's Promotion and Relegation Report - Part 3

      By Dan Loney on Aug 30, 2017 at 11:43 PM
      I dispute that the parachute payment system is well-constructed. For a start, it gives the top flight far too much power over the rest of the pyramid.

      It's largely a band-aid for the resultant issue of the costs of life in the EPL being unsustainable post-relegation. It's basically a transitional measure that gives you some breathing room, while you deconstruct the expensive EPL squad you had to assemble to have a hope of finishing midtable.

      However, I agree with the rest of you post.
       
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    10. Cavan9

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      Deloitte UK's Promotion and Relegation Report - Part 3

      By Dan Loney on Aug 30, 2017 at 11:43 PM
      Why should MLS owners like Clark Hunt, Phil Anschutz, and Bob Kraft let someone have a piece of their asset for free? They had to put in two decades and hundreds of millions of dollars to get the league to the value it is today. They put the seed money into SUM so they should get the rewards from that investment. Why should Silva from Miami get a piece of the pie without making any investment?

      At the end of the day, Silva is trying to cynically use fans who idolize everything EPL as useful idiots to get a piece of the MLS/SUM pie without putting any money down. Everything else is just a distraction.
       
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    11. MM66

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      Deloitte UK's Promotion and Relegation Report - Part 3

      By Dan Loney on Aug 30, 2017 at 11:43 PM
      As a Revs fan I can tell you for a fact that MLS would be far better off with someone bouncing his team down to a lower division, but that's a different topic. Anyway, I'm agreeing with you that they won't do it. You seem to have sympathy for oligarchs. I don't. Whatever. Outcome is the same either way.

      We even agree Silva's got zero chance at convincing them to do it. My point, and I'm not sure how much clearer I could be about this, is there's only one way MLS owners ever do pro-rel. And I think only a fool pretends to know what's rattling around inside FIFA's collective mind.
       
    12. MM66

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      Mar 9, 2009
      Brookline, MA
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      Real Madrid

      Deloitte UK's Promotion and Relegation Report - Part 3

      By Dan Loney on Aug 30, 2017 at 11:43 PM
      I suspect we're skew here. I'm not protective of the investments made by current MLS owners. Regardless of the system, they'll all multiply their investments when they sell. Fat cats always get their Friskies. Yet that's tangential at best to my focus here. All I'm saying is pro-rel ultimately boils down to power dynamics.
       

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