Interesting quotes from Yedlin... https://www.prosoccerusa.com/us-soccer/deandre-yedlin-golden-generation-usmnt/ "I always say that this group of players and a couple of the younger guys, this could be a golden generation for the U.S, I think.” “I think a big part of that is players taking that step early and getting over to Europe,” Yedlin said. “I don’t like to talk badly on MLS and I’m not talking badly on MLS, I think just making that step and getting out of your comfort zone, it gives you … once you do step out of your comfort zone and then you do find some success, it brings even that much more confidence to you. “I think that’s what [Adams has] experienced, that’s what Weston has experienced, obviously Christian. You see these guys, they’re playing with so much confidence, which, I don’t think we’ve seen so much with younger players.” Yedlin said he expects people watching the USMNT to be “wowed” by the growth it’ll show over the next year. “I think, with the system that Gregg has set up and just kind of, you know, his goals for us over the next year,” he said. “I think people are going to be pretty wowed just by the growth of this team. I think this team has the capabilities to learn so much and take in so much and just take it that much further.”
Define "golden generation": Semi-final of a WC in the next 8 years? I will get excited when we start winning on the road consistently during qualification. Otherwise, yes, we have some young players with potential which may or may not carry forward towards results.
I agree. I think we have enough young prospects, that even if a lot dont pan out as expected, which is to be expected, we will be a good team that can give top teams a good game. I also dont think this is a golden generation but a new normal at worst and likely still improving. The of prospects is growing each two year cycle and that generate more competition.
Is Yedlin including himself as part of that generation or not? He's only 25 and one of our only Premier League starters, but the fanbase is pretty eager to ditch him for half a dozen younger shinier RBs like Dest...
I think Yedlin's perspective may be a little skewed because he was one of the few decent players in the age group that was in their prime during the last WC. He was part of an unusually bad cohort, so even if the next cohort turns out to just be the new normal, they would look fantastic to him.
I definitely agree. A very tangible and attainable goal for growth for the USMNT is to start winning those away CONCACAF matches against teams we should be better than on a neutral field.
That's entirely possible, given the record so far of our young players plus the fact that we're hosting. Take a look at Croatia's World Cup final starting lineup. I only see one player (Rakitic) who was playing at a level comparable to Pulisic, McKennie, or Adams at age 20. Most of their starters - including Modric - were still in the domestic league at that age. Perisic was playing in Belgium. Being a strong Bundesliga player as a teenager is more than just "potential." And having several players who fit that description is a golden generation by almost any country's standards. If the current level of youth talent is in fact the "new normal," as other posts have suggested in this thread, then the US can expect to be a perennial world power. I certainly wouldn't assume that'll be the case - we might end up being like the Czechs, who had Nedved, Koller, Poborsky, and Smicer all born within about a year of each other, but haven't done much since those players retired. At the same time,even if McKennie, Pulisic, Adams, Weah, and Sargent all suffered career-ending injuries tomorrow, the current youth class might still be the best one we've ever had. So the current success is probably more than just a random blip.
IMHO, so-called "golden generations" are more prone to Fredua-like failure than any form of success. I'm tired and leery of this phrase of would-be praise. The current crop that will play tonight, along with those who will contribute in the near term, are simply a serious step up in quality from any group the US has put on the pitch since WC02. I look forward to watching them, but they are not "golden." What a horrible burden to bear.
You can't really define it based on a single World Cup. It must be defined by the totality of the talent in the pool. We could draw Argentina in the Round of 16 and get knocked-out, but it could still be our golden generation.
I think that it's a combination of talent and results. A group of players who are successful at the club level, but don't produce at the national level is not "golden" in my book.
I tend to agree, but it can't solely be based on a single world cup performance because of the randomness of the tournament. We could win our group but then get Argentina or Brazil or something in R16...wouldn't make the generation any less golden.
Agreed. In that respect, would you say the 2002 Team was a golden generation. They lost to Germany who went on to the finals. I would suggest that they were a golden generation with many of them playing overseas: Frankie Heyduk - Bayern Leverkusen John O'Brien - Ajax Eddie Lewis - Fulham Joe Max Moore - Everton Steve Cherundolo - Hannover Tony Sanneh - FC Nurnberg Claudio Reyna - Sunderland That doesn't even include some of the older players like Freidel and Stewart.
Sadly, the 2002 team was a flash in the pan that overachieved in one tournament, not a real Golden Generation. IMO, the 2013-14 teams were the closest thing that the U.S. had to a Golden Generation. The greatest U.S. player of all time, two lung-busting box-to-box midfielders, excellent (by US standards) fullbacks, a goalkeeper at the peak of his powers, and the best U.S. goalscorer of all time. Of the vital players, only Howard was older than 32. It was the best of the Bob Bradley era teams combined with the best of the influx of new players following the FIFA rule change on dual nationals. Compared to other U.S. teams, the relative weakness would be center backs, IMO.
Certainly not a bad answer; I feel the '95 team was probably more solid top to bottom, but lacked the high-end dynamism that the '09-'10 side had.
Yeah, I could get behind this. A good 1994 WC followed by a coaching change which relaxed the team and allowed the team to play more freely. Unfortunately, three years later it went the wrong direction after the team started to age out.
The previous Golden Generation was Donovan, DMB, Convey, Dempsey and Gooch. Born within a year of each other. I think Pulisic, McKennie and Adams, with a couple others, could be better. A lot of things need to go right, including avoiding injuries. But they could take the team further than the previous GG.
Golden generations are usually defined by talent of players within a couple years of each before they have reached their prime when they are expected to win. I dont think our 2002 team qualifies. I think that team was easily our best as it had a great mix of youth, early to mid 20 yo guys with experience, guys in their prime, and veterans. It had good depth at every position, with excpetion of the three 32-34 (oh Arena). The group of players in this team that would have been considered a golden generation were... 20 FW Brian McBride 19 June 1972 (aged 29) 58 Columbus Crew 10 MF Claudio Reyna (c) 20 July 1973 (aged 28) 86 Sunderland 3 DF Gregg Berhalter 1 August 1973 (aged 28) 25 Crystal Palace 23 DF Eddie Pope 24 December 1973 (aged 28) 48 D.C. United 7 MF Eddie Lewis 17 May 1974 (aged 28) 38 Fulham 2 MF Frankie Hejduk 5 August 1974 (aged 27) 38 Bayer Leverkusen This is a nice group, but not sure it cuts it. Is it really any better than the generations from 1998 and 1994? I consider them all pretty close. 8 MF Earnie Stewart 28 March 1969 (aged 29) 47 NAC Breda 11 FW Eric Wynalda 9 June 1969 (aged 29) 100 San Jose Clash 18 GK Kasey Keller 29 November 1969 (aged 28) 33 Leicester City 22 DF Alexi Lalas 1 June 1970 (aged 28) 98 MetroStars 13 MF Cobi Jones 16 June 1970 (aged 27) 107 LA Galaxy 15 MF Chad Deering 2 September 1970 (aged 27) 10 VfL Wolfsburg 4 DF Mike Burns 14 September 1970 (aged 27) 73 New England Revolution 9 FW Joe-Max Moore 23 February 1971 (aged 27) 68 New England Revolution 14 FW Frank Klopas 1 September 1966 (aged 27) N/A US Soccer Federation 9 MF Tab Ramos 21 September 1966 (aged 27) N/A Real Betis 6 MF John Harkes 8 March 1967 (aged 27) 45 Derby County 17 DF Marcelo Balboa 8 August 1967 (aged 26) 88 US Soccer Federation 1 GK Tony Meola (c) 21 February 1969 (aged 25) N/A US Soccer Federation 12 GK Juergen Sommer 27 February 1969 (aged 25) N/A Luton Town 8 MF Earnie Stewart 28 March 1969 (aged 25) 16 Willem II 11 FW Eric Wynalda 9 June 1969 (aged 25) 52 1. FC Saarbrücken Ironically, the Portuguese team that took us for granted in 2002 and ended up not getting out of the group had a golden generation. They may not have ever won anything, but they went to the semi finals of the 2000 Euro Cup, the finals of the 2004 Euro Cup, and the Semifinals of the 2006 WC. 6 MF Paulo Sousa 30 August 1970 (aged 31) 50 Espanyol 8 FW João Vieira Pinto 19 August 1971 (aged 30) 77 Sporting CP 2 DF Jorge Costa 14 October 1971 (aged 30) 46 Porto 19 MF Capucho 21 February 1972 (aged 30) 29 Porto 10 MF Rui Costa 29 March 1972 (aged 30) 67 Milan 7 MF Luís Figo 4 November 1972 (aged 29) 81 Real Madrid 3 DF Abel Xavier 30 November 1972 (aged 29) 18 Liverpool 23 DF Rui Jorge 27 March 1973 (aged 29) 20 Sporting CP 9 FW Pauleta 28 April 1973 (aged 29) 33 Bordeaux
Maybe he'll be right but a golden generation needs results, not just a club resume. The previous gen that's largely seen as a failure had plenty of players that left their "comfort zones" and played in Europe. Plus is "comfort" always a bad thing? I imagine CP initially having his dad with him and involved in the organization helped him get where he is today.
This is the closest I think we have to having one, but still dont think this group qualifies. I dont think it is that much different than the ones posted above. Based just on who is on current rosters, we have the most talented player we have every produced an two central midfielders who are ahead of our best all time midfielders at their current age, and two forwards who are doing things our past forwards were doing at 19. There is a very good chance that a couple of the rest of the guys that will be at at least of the level of players that were considered top US talent in the past. I picked a two year period that started with Mckennie's brithday and added another 10ish days so Mendez could fit in... MF Weston McKennie August 28, 1998 (age 20) 7 1 Schalke 04 MF Christian Pulisic September 18, 1998 (age 20) 23 9 Borussia Dortmund MF Tyler Adams February 14, 1999 (age 20) 9 1 RB Leipzig FW Josh Sargent February 20, 2000 (age 19) Werder Bremen FW Tim Weah February 22, 2000 (age 19) Celtic U23s MF Djordje Mihailovic November 10, 1998 (age 20) Chicago Fire DF Marco Farfan November 12, 1998 (age 20) Portland Timbers DF Jack Maher October 28, 1999 (age 19) Indiana Hoosiers U20s FW Justin Rennicks March 20, 1999 (age 20) New England Revolution FW Jonathan Amon April 30, 1999 (age 19) Nordsjælland DF Matthew Real July 10, 1999 (age 19) Philadelphia Union MF Juan Pablo Torres July 26, 1999 (age 19) New York City FC GK Trey Muse July 26, 1999 (age 19) Seattle Sounders FC MF Christian Cappis August 13, 1999 (age 19) Hobro FW Ayo Akinola January 20, 2000 (age 19) Toronto FC MF Chris Durkin February 8, 2000 (age 19) D.C. United DF Jaylin Lindsey March 27, 2000 (age 18) Sporting Kansas City DF Chris Gloster March 28, 2000 (age 18) Hannover 96 DF Aboubacar Keita April 6, 2000 (age 18) Richmond Kickers MF Andrew Carleton June 22, 2000 (age 18) Atlanta United DF Chris Richards July 28, 2000 (age 18) Bayern Munich FW Sebastian Soto July 28, 2000 (age 18) Hannover 96 GK C.J. dos Santos August 24, 2000 (age 18) Benfica MF Alex Mendez September 6, 2000 (age 18) SC Freiburg Some impressive guys too young for the window picked... MF Frankie Amaya September 26, 2000 (age 18) FC Cincinnati DF Sergino Dest November 3, 2000 (age 18) Ajax FW Ulysses Llanez April 2, 2001 (age 17) Unattached FW Konrad de la Fuente July 16, 2001 (age 17) Barcelona U23s that are too old for the window picked GK Jonathan Klinsmann April 8, 1997 (age 21) Hertha BSC GK JT Marcinkowski May 9, 1997 (age 21) San Jose Earthquakes FW Jonathan Lewis June 4, 1997 (age 21) New York City MF Eryk Williamson June 11, 1997 (age 21) Portland Timbers MF Cameron Lindley July 18, 1997 (age 21) Orlando City SC MF Keaton Parks August 6, 1997 (age 21) New York City FC DF Antonee Robinson August 8, 1997 (age 21) Wigan Athletic FW Emmanuel Sabbi December 24, 1997 (age 21) Hobro IK DF Cameron Carter-Vickers December 31, 1997 (age 21) Swansea City FW Joshua Pérez January 21, 1998 (age 21) Los Angeles FC DF Lucas Pos February 16, 1998 (age 21) FC Lausanne-Sport DF Matthew Olosunde March 7, 1998 (age 21) Manchester United DF Donovan Pines March 7, 1998 (age 21) D.C. United FW Haji Wright March 27, 1998 (age 20) Schalke