Pre-match: DC vs HotLanta.

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  1. JRHokie

    JRHokie Member+

    Aug 23, 2001
    Fairfax, VA
    lucky to stay in top 2 this long. How the hell does NYC have 4 games in hand. Nyrb with 2 in hand, I expect a drop to 5th place in the next month.
     
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  2. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    I agree with the poor subs and bench.

    I also think it was very silly for Ben Olsen to employ a "defend deep and counter attack " strategy and put Acosta upfront.

    That makes zero sense. Our defenders arent very good at passing thru the lines (or passing in general). So that forces us to play long balls to Acosta.

    Despite all this Arriola had the 2 best chances pf the game. We had to convert at least 1 of those to justify the tactics.
     
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  3. SoccerEsq

    SoccerEsq Member

    Aug 28, 2000
    Maryland SoccerPlexish
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Before
    4-5-1.jpg

    After
    Arriola with Pity plus.jpg
     
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  4. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pines was MOTM for us. Very promising performance.

    Ben’s tactics were stupid. What was our theory of goals? The elements didn’t fit together, at all.

    Has the trade deadline passed? Dom Dwyer is a bench player now. So he has a very crucial ability for an incoming player, availABILITY.
     
  5. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
    And a $1.5M salary.

    Thx,

    Jay!
     
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  6. UnitedBorn

    UnitedBorn Member+

    Dec 7, 2015
    301
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And a level of hot headedness that puts Lucho to shame
     
  7. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    More importantly, there have been arguments about Sydney Leroux in this household.
     
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  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Really? I knew he was a DP, but thought he was under $1M.

    Ok scratch that.
     
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  9. Eastern Bear

    Eastern Bear Member+

    Feb 27, 1999
    Great Falls, VA
    Club:
    DC United
  10. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shouldn't Pines have helped defend the back side on Atlanta's first goal? He was drawn towards Brillant, Birnbaum, and the ball, leaving five foot very little Arriola to defend a leaping, headed attempt. That said, Iike Pines' play overall, especially his height and his speed. We don't have much speed in central defense.
     
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  11. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not really. There was an attacker in front of Pines who was in Brillant's blind spot. So Pines went to him. That left space behind Pines. The problem was communication amongst several players, not just an issue with Pines.
     
  12. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
    Lincoln (ish), Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, for the first time in my adult life - I forgot DC United had a game yesterday. It was even one of the rare games on TV that I could have taped to watch when I got home Sunday night.
    Instead I was surprised when I caught the score on WTOP while searching for weather reports on my way home from the mountains.

    Even though this wasn't a Flo game, I blame the Flo deal for ultimately making me really not consider keeping up with away games as strictly as I always have in the past. That and my desire to try to escape the heat/humidity.

    Even though it seems I was lucky to miss this, I feel terrible about it and really wish I could watch it. Oh well.
     
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  13. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    We defended 90% time. Wasnt pretty at all.
     
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  14. D C B 2 3

    D C B 2 3 Member+

    Nov 18, 2007
    VA
    I feel very disconnected to our away games/FLO games. I thought it was a 7pm start, was suprised to see it listed as a live event on ESPN+.
     
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  15. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    Wow, I don't think you could have summed up my sentiments on the subject any better. I hadn't thought much about it really, but there were a healthy number of national broadcasts, I haven't been nearly as motivated to go watch them. In the past, I wouldn't have thought twice about grabbing little PSU and going back to the house for the 2 hours to watch the game and return to the pool on a day like yesterday. Now the televised games are nice to haves, when they are on and I remember or give a shit.
     
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  16. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Good response. We had 3 CBs, and all were pulled out on the right for that sequence. Pines looked to be covering J. Martinez, IIRC, so that's defensible individually, but someone has to cover for it.

    I'm going to buck the grain and say the tactics were fine (maybe better than fine). We were on the road, on turf for the second consecutive game, playing against a better team (especially without Rooney there's a talent gap there) and not only held the scoreline, but ground the opposition into unimaginativeness for 89 minutes, and in fact our countering opportunities were some of the best of the afternoon. AUFC's weakness is exactly that they are prone to possession without real purpose, and just what happened for the vast majority of the night. We switched off once, and paid the price for it.
     
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  17. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    Someone on Twitter observed that subs weren't made and that there was virtually no one worth a damn on the bench to sub in. Which for me begs a question that I haven't seen many people answer. Which is the bigger sin, not having quality on the bench or not using the bench.

    Seems to me you need an egg to make a chicken. I see people going on about Ben and how he's not a good tactician, how he's not a good motivator, how he doesn't sub well, how he hasn't "built" any consistency. While I have my questions about Ben as a coach, none can be fully answered when he's had so few quality players for more than 2-3 years because of how we built our roster for so long and quality of those players and their ability to deliver game after game, month after month and season after season. At the end of the day, its been what, 9 years and in 7 of those 9 its a fairly easy argument that the results out performed the roster spend. Some will call me enabler, but the bigger problem is the owner who can't be fired vs the coach who can be fired.

    BTW, who is going to the clash of shitbag, f_ckstick owners on Wednesday? Levien vs McCourt. I feel like this needs one of those MTV claymation specials.
     
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  18. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
    You should be able to stream a replay on the espn website.

    Thx,

    Jay!
     
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  19. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I understand now. Still, we had too many players watching the ball and too few paying attention to runners in the box trying to connect to the ball. But yes, I understand Pines wasn't at fault. And speaking of Pines, we need him on the back line because he has both height and speed. Our central defenders are pretty good (Brillant) and good (Birnbaum), but neither has great speed. Pines, after the slow first step common among very tall players, can motor. I don't think he would have been outpaced on Atlanta's second goal.
     
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  20. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Which other coach in world football gets 3 years to build a team?
     
  21. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Funny thing Hedbal is that if I were to SPECULATE at who is most likely to be mostly to blame on the goal, it would be Hamid. It is his job to alert his defenders where the danger is coming from in that situation, and I think he did finally alert Brillant, but it was after Pines had already engaged the attacker that had slipped into the area behind Brillant ... leaving Pity with a clear run on goal. If Hamid makes that call earlier, Pines stays put, and we are not having this conversation, as Pity is NOT beating him for a header. That is what I mean about the lack of communication at the back. Sad too, because Hamid had a hell of a game.
     
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  22. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you may be right,
     
  23. flanier

    flanier Member

    Sep 1, 2001
    TN
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I attended this game yesterday, and I don't think having Jara in there would have made much difference. It was clear from the stands that Jara was gassed for at least 15 minutes before Ben actually subbed him out. He wasn't running with his mark or doing the other fundamentals of defensive positioning after the 60th minute.
     
  24. Petworth Posse

    Feb 24, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    Fixed your quote.
     
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  25. Petworth Posse

    Feb 24, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    Cinci has a striker who scored 10 goals last year and is languishing. Some Mattocks guy.
     
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