News: DC United: Pre-season thread:

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  1. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is the place to discuss pre-season matches, friendlies, and trialists. Once the first pre-season match is underway this will replace the off-season thread.

    Can someone post the pre-season schedule below?

    James
     
  2. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    https://www.dcunited.com/post/2018/01/09/united-announce-2018-preseason-schedule


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    D.C. United Preseason Dates

    Jan. 22 Players report to Washington, D.C.
    Jan. 28 Team departs for first training camp in Clearwater, FL
    Feb. 8 United v. Malmö FF | IMG Academy | TBD
    Feb. 9 Team returns to Washington, D.C.
    Feb. 14 Team departs for second training camp in Clearwater, FL
    Feb. 17 United v. Philadelphia Union| Al Lang Stadium | 5 PM ET
    Feb. 22 Team departs for Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 24 United v. Las Vegas Lights FC | Cashman Field | 11 PM ET
    Feb. 25 Team returns to Washington, D.C.
    March 3 United v. Orlando City SC | 2018 MLS Opener | Orlando City Stadium | 7:30 PM ET
     
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  3. Petworth Posse

    Feb 24, 2009
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    DC United
  4. Eastern Bear

    Eastern Bear Member+

    Feb 27, 1999
    Great Falls, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    In another thread I suggested that any Navix News Twitter is fake and thus unreliable. The guysis almost always injured so who knows? Kasper might see him as a perfect fit.
     
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  5. Petworth Posse

    Feb 24, 2009
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    DC United
    Seems like a perfect way to flush money down the drain. But since Kasper is never held accountable for poor decisions, it's perfect.
     
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  6. DecadeOfDCU26

    DecadeOfDCU26 Member+

    May 2, 2007
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    nor gets any credit for putting together a semi-competitive team with no financial banking
     
  7. Petworth Posse

    Feb 24, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    Last in the Eastern conf (and tied for worst in the league, I believe - and in an expansion year!) with well over a decade of experience in one job?

    I dunno. At best a checkered record bringing in talent even within the price range he's given. And lets not forget - no team comes close to bringing back the number of players who he terminated, a red flag for either poor decision making or lack of confidence/creativity. I give him credit for above average draft picks, when he doesn't trade them away. Of course this is just half the F/O equation. There's also the deep history of failure to develop players. See Nick Deleon. Clearly we don't have the management skills to teach him yet we have the unwavering decision to start him.
     
  8. DecadeOfDCU26

    DecadeOfDCU26 Member+

    May 2, 2007
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    clearly I’m not talking about a successful 2017. i don’t see how he is in any way responsible for player development. that’s entirely on coaches
     
  9. John L

    John L Member+

    Sep 20, 2003
    Alexandria, VA
    A
    Also nearly last in total salaries
     
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  10. NicktheGreek

    NicktheGreek Member+

    Feb 15, 2001
    "Semi" competitive. That better describes that beer team from Ballimer. That's one of those "you don't sweat much for a fat chick" compliments when there's just nothing complimentary to say
     
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  11. Eastern Bear

    Eastern Bear Member+

    Feb 27, 1999
    Great Falls, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Columbus seemed to do better and they have hardly any money too.
     
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  12. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Semi-competitive is being overly generous. Is the bar that low now?

    james
     
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  13. yabo

    yabo Member+

    Jun 1, 2000
    Poolesville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  14. Petworth Posse

    Feb 24, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    Houston and Montreal paid less in 2017, but New England, Minnesota and Dallas are all pretty close. All of them had better records than us (base salary followed by compensation).

    What's interesting is that Houston, Montreal and Dallas all have their own stadiums but don't spend big money on teams, so can we finally put the correlation between stadium revenue stream and opening up purse strings? There is no correlation.

    (from https://www.denverpost.com/2017/04/25/mls-team-payrolls-2017/)

    1. Toronto $20,153,697.00 $22,478,565.27
    2. NYC FC $17,370,525.68 $17,930,365.69
    3. Orlando $12,382,053.80 $13,219,199.70
    4. Chicago $12,272,624.00 $12,952,278.17
    5. Los Angeles $9,768,662.64 $12,117,892.11
    6. Portland $9,294,532.04 $10,824,144.54
    7. Seattle $9,052,852.89 $10,372,300.48
    8. Atlanta FC $7,958,612.04 $8,930,754.26
    9. Vancouver $7,040,366.08 $8,079,371.07
    10. Colorado $7,254,748.75 $8,040,619.75
    11. Real Salt Lake $7,156,440.44 $7,734,355.44
    12. Philadelphia $6,516,876.00 $7,117,010.10
    13. San Jose $6,429,566.00 $6,959,287.11
    14. New York Red Bulls $6,313,982.00 $6,895,186.17
    15. Columbus FC $6,345,232.48 $6,747,544.99
    16. Kansas City $6,365,856.00 $6,730,358.78
    17. FC Dallas $5,690,579.28 $6,510,760.94
    18. New England $5,406,993.25 $5,800,118.33
    19. Minnesota United FC $4,926,046.04 $5,322,864.55
    20. DC United $4,812,135.44 $5,272,447.94
    21. Montreal $4,995,921.08 $5,215,855.89
    22. Houston $4,837,899.98 $5,025,066.65
     
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  15. Petworth Posse

    Feb 24, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
  16. Petworth Posse

    Feb 24, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    Seven of the ten teams with the lowest payroll in MLS have their own soccer specific stadiums.
     
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  17. NicktheGreek

    NicktheGreek Member+

    Feb 15, 2001
    Wonder what the cost per win is dividing the Overhead salaries (GM, Coaches, trainers, etc) by number of wins. Where's that bogus Audi MLS and VW Diesel pollution calculator when you need it?
     
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  18. DecadeOfDCU26

    DecadeOfDCU26 Member+

    May 2, 2007
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    not really overly generous. 2012 ECF appearance, 2014 reg season east title, 2015 final 4 in the east, 2016 en fuego for the second half of the season, awful home playoff loss.

    i’m not claiming anything here as a great success, but it’s semi-competitive at a bare minimum.
     
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  19. Petworth Posse

    Feb 24, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    Excellent idea. I'll take a stab at cost per win, giving each team half a win for each tie because that's very scientific..... I'm going to guess Seattle got the best bang for their buck and they're smack dab in the middle of the table for money spent on team payroll. No way to know the management costs unless someone has that.
     
  20. Petworth Posse

    Feb 24, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    Since a high percentage of teams made the playoffs for most of that time period, I'd say your bare minimum is more a clothed average for me.

    I'd say United is a below average team paid below average money with a front office that has a below average record for identifying, paying for, and managing talent.
     
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  21. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ftfy
     
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  22. NicktheGreek

    NicktheGreek Member+

    Feb 15, 2001
    So after the coin toss is over how would you rate them?
     
  23. DecadeOfDCU26

    DecadeOfDCU26 Member+

    May 2, 2007
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    please explain this one
     
  24. UnitedBorn

    UnitedBorn Member+

    Dec 7, 2015
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    Club:
    DC United
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    United States
    Salary is only one aspect of spending. FCD probably spends more on their academy than anyone in the league and Vancouver invests a fair amount into their academy as well which just had a player transferred to Barcelona.

    DC in comparison charges kids to join the academy
     
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  25. DecadeOfDCU26

    DecadeOfDCU26 Member+

    May 2, 2007
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Might be my homerism, but I felt we had a real shot at winning the cup in 2012, 2014, and 2016. Real shot at winning MLS Cup = competitive. Obviously other may not feel we had the same shot. I'll leave it at that and we can agree to disagree.
     

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