Das Reboot and the Road to UEFA Nations League & EC2020

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Ger90, Jun 27, 2018.

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  1. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Looks good
     
  2. DumFatAmerican

    Manchester United
    Germany
    Jul 27, 2018
    The Next Generation of German Players:

    Werner
    Sane Havertz Brandt
    Weigl Maier
    Itter Kehrer Tah Kimmich
    Ter Stegen

    Goretzka
    Arp
    Torunarigha
    Meyer
    Geiger
     
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  3. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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  4. Rac93

    Rac93 Member

    Bayern Munich
    Germany
    Sep 29, 2017
    No Sule?
     
  5. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I read this article from Twitter hoping for some new info but it was based on the stats bomb analysis we already saw.

    So chances were high, but somewhat low quality, and germany well underperformed XG

    My worry about all of this is Loew has fixed the wrong problem.

    Build up play was too slow - we know that - which had much to do with the transitions.

    So with Kimmich moved to 6 and Ozil out, the top chance creators are removed.
     
  6. Jordan Khamra

    Jordan Khamra Member

    May 21, 2014
    #1806 Jordan Khamra, Sep 13, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2018
    He is done in the NT if is he is played out of position... With proper wingers and a true striker infront he is a monster... Lothar was spot on.
     
  7. Jordan Khamra

    Jordan Khamra Member

    May 21, 2014
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  8. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    the real issue is vs France we played Muller at RW and both games Reus as CF. Neither of those 2 things are a good idea. When Reus says he prefers the wings why play him outside of his preference? When Muller says he prefers the middle behind a striker why play him on the wings? Neither of these 2 things will get the best out of them.

    and let's not forget Werner playing LW in both games. When Sane, Gnabry etc are all fit, makes little sense to have him as a LW option when others are there.
     
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  9. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
  10. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Next euros the likes of muller rues will be going in to the 30's so why not move on from these players there only going to regress, as for draxler he should bombed out now
     
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  11. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    Hope to see Selke, Gnabry and Emre Can make it in Euros 2020. Die Mannschaft needs more assertive players who will piss off the opponent with some douchebag in your face goal celebrations. Weiser also fits the bill but probably less likely to earn a nomination.
     
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  12. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yes, we need players with character and steel mixed with flair, normally when the going gets tough it's the players with character who shine, France won the world cup because of their steeliness rather than the normal french flair
     
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  13. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    The trouble I have with the Giroud idea is even though he is older now, germany don't have a player as good as Giroud.

    Grioud is a bloody decent target man. Mario Gomez was the closest thing to him.

    Also Greasy and Mbappe are full of goals.

    Germany probably need to get goals right across the front 4
     
  14. Jordan Khamra

    Jordan Khamra Member

    May 21, 2014
    We need some type of true target man, otherwise, we are getting little for the player we are playing as a striker (Reus, Mueller, Warner...) and limiting the effectiveness of the other offensive players. The other option is to play with 2 strikers.
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium

    Loew needs to optimise the resources he has

    Mueller is his most prolific striker, and Mueller is best as a support striker or hybrid AM

    So from my point of view, it is best to play Mueller in his best position with a 9 ahead of him - who that is I don't know.

    I'd play Brandt as right wing and Sane/Reus as left wing as we need goals from those guys

    So basically a hybrid 4-4-2 / 4-3-3 where Mueller has to drop into midfield.
     
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  16. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    if not Muller behind striker there is the Havertz option.
    DFB.de: What are your strengths?

    Havertz: I think the Coach or other people can probably judge better than I can. I think that I have good awareness and am strong technically. I like to run the game from midfield and can also create goal-scoring opportunities.
     
  17. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I just hope to see Mueller at support striker and Reus not at 9

    Reus is much better from the left and he has a lot of shooting in him. Playing close to goal is not his thing.
     
  18. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Havertz is the most natural successor of Özil, he's even a bit similar in style if you ask me and perfectly able to play a deadly ball. Would like to see more of him in Özil's position. And after the disastrous start of the season by Sané, can we at least accept that not taking him to Russia wasn't a fault by Löw despite all the talent Leroy has?
     
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  19. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think we are playing 433 or 4123 in the future. If we aren’t playing with a “10”/AM, that means we aren’t playing 4231 anymore

    “10” is an obsolete position, u either play with an extra workhorse in midfield in a 433, or u play with an extra supporting Forward in a 442

    Even Loew has recently stated that the number 10 position is outdated.

    Then u will realise most top teams in Europe are playing 433 or 343

    If we aren’t playing with a “10” anymore, I really hope Havertz won’t be used as an “8” instead.

    Havertz will be a waste if u pull him away from final third. He is a lot better near the penalty box , and can cause so much damage at half spaces

    Havertz is 19 years old, not 91. He has all the attributes to become a good allround attacker. Shouldn’t limit him as a central midfielder

    Havertz needs to bulk up a bit (maybe another 4-5kg) but he has the aerial threat, ability to play back-to-goal n within tight space, build up game and decent finishing ability to start with

    “10” is not a popular position in modern football for many reasons.

    And let’s dont forget Lewandowski, Max Kruse (who i Think is a very good 1BL striker), Stindl, Firmino and Gabriel Jesus started their career as AM. Alex Meier too... was an AM until the age of 30

    Havertz is 19, has so much time to convert into an allround attacker
     
  20. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Let’s face it, less n less teams will play with a “10” in the future.

    433 with 3 workhorses (usually one “6” with two box-to-box) in midfield is the trend

    Or we can simply play a more goal-threatening attacker inside the box in a 442.

    I think Mueller, Werner and Havertz are better in a two-striker formation (442 or 352)
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Why do you post the same post 2x?
     
  22. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I just wanna emphasise, The “AM”/“10” position is outdated

    N we shouldn’t play 4231 anymore
     
  23. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Since when is the AM position outdated?

    Aggressive teams will routinely play with one midfielder who is further forward than the 8 - supporting the 9

    But he plays as a midfielder and not as a 10
     
  24. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    Even many coaches said it already

    Loew said that last week too. Ask him

    And as far as I see, top teams don’t play 4231 anymore.
     
  25. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The point is

    Havertz shouldn’t play as a central midfielder

    He should be used inside final third to utilise his strengths more. Playing him at CM is a waste
     

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