Das Reboot and the Road to UEFA Nations League & EC2020

Thomsen · Mar 25, 2019

Ger90 said: ↑

it's a shame because none of the guys who played yesterday are that good with the ball.

I've seen a lot of Rudiger/Sule pairings but I just don't see it as strong as Hummels/Boa and the potential seems lesser too. I mean at the 2014 WC those 2 were 25 years old. Sule turns 24 this year and Rudiger turns 27 this year. Already seem behind based on age. Boa was there since 2010 and Hummels 2012 too.
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I mean, it's basically the first time I've ever seen a German backline where it's so obvious that they lack technical abilities with the ball once put under pressure

saj7866 · Mar 25, 2019

Ger90 said: ↑

it's a shame because none of the guys who played yesterday are that good with the ball.

I've seen a lot of Rudiger/Sule pairings but I just don't see it as strong as Hummels/Boa and the potential seems lesser too. I mean at the 2014 WC those 2 were 25 years old. Sule turns 24 this year and Rudiger turns 27 this year. Already seem behind based on age. Boa was there since 2010 and Hummels 2012 too.
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Alot depends on how many matches they've played together to build chemistry, boetang hummels played enormous amount together

saj7866 · Mar 25, 2019

I've seen rudiger alot in Chelsea games where his distribution is good, sari won't have it any other way

Ger90 · Mar 25, 2019

saj7866 said: ↑

Alot depends on how many matches they've played together to build chemistry, boetang hummels played enormous amount together
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actually Hummels and Boa didn't play as much together. Hummels was not part of the 2010 WC.
then in 2012 Euro, Hummels was CB but Boa was RB. They actually won their 1st tournament together as cb pair at the WC.

Hummels later in 2016 moved to Bayern and they continued to play together.

Chelsea won't make any CL for awhile so 27 year old Rudiger won't play at the highest level for awhile while Boa/Hummels played year after year in CL whether Bayern or Dortmund.

feyenoordsoccerfan · Mar 25, 2019

Thomsen said: ↑

I mean, it's basically the first time I've ever seen a German backline where it's so obvious that they lack technical abilities with the ball once put under pressure
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You were so lucky Babel played the first half as he was clumsey, lost the ball often and hampered back Dumfries to charge up the line as Babel's ball losses immediately caused danger when Dumfries was high up. Koeman should have swapped Babel the moment we were 0-2 down. Alas he waited till the second half.

nekkibasara · Mar 25, 2019

Ger90 said: ↑

it's a shame because none of the guys who played yesterday are that good with the ball.

I've seen a lot of Rudiger/Sule pairings but I just don't see it as strong as Hummels/Boa and the potential seems lesser too. I mean at the 2014 WC those 2 were 25 years old. Sule turns 24 this year and Rudiger turns 27 this year. Already seem behind based on age. Boa was there since 2010 and Hummels 2012 too.
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Sule at least has a good first touch and can dribble, but his distribution and vision are poor. I just don't see anything other than physicality in Rudiger. He is not good technically, his passing is very poor, and he is the worst CB I've ever seen in terms of clearing a ball.

Ger90 · Mar 25, 2019

would not be surprised if Rudiger doesn't last long and with other cbs knocking on the door. Some it really is all about playing at a bigger club than current.

saj7866 · Mar 25, 2019

Who should be the back 3 then?

Sule/ hummels /ginter/rudiger/tah/

Thomsen · Mar 25, 2019

Ginter shouldn't be anywhere near the CB position...

nekkibasara · Mar 25, 2019

Personally I would play Hummels+Sule or Hummels+Sule+Stark depending on the formation.

saj7866 · Mar 25, 2019

Loew publicly stated hummels career is over, I can't see how he's going to turn back on his word

Karl-Heinz Riedle · Mar 25, 2019

Ger90 said: ↑

it's a shame because none of the guys who played yesterday are that good with the ball.

I've seen a lot of Rudiger/Sule pairings but I just don't see it as strong as Hummels/Boa and the potential seems lesser too. I mean at the 2014 WC those 2 were 25 years old. Sule turns 24 this year and Rudiger turns 27 this year. Already seem behind based on age. Boa was there since 2010 and Hummels 2012 too.
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Rudiger turns 26 this year , born 1993

Ger90 · Mar 25, 2019

okay and 26 or 27 either way he's not a young cb (not sure that was even worth quoting someone anyways, pretty insignificant thing)

everytime I see him clear the ball, it's like watching a U17 player clear the ball or a player from some low level team that gets constantly bombarded and doesn't deal with the pressure, so randomly quicks away. It's like 1st impulse.

Ger90 · Mar 25, 2019

Rudiger already 26 is nowhere near Boa or Hummels when they were 26, in fact even younger Hummels/Boa are better than current Rudiger tbh.

Blueberry_night · Mar 25, 2019

Ger90 said: ↑

Rudiger already 26 is nowhere near Boa or Hummels when they were 26, in fact even younger Hummels/Boa are better than current Rudiger tbh.
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He came from Stuttgart ranks. You know there is a certain NT coach of big european country, whose preference of players being called up to NT based on region of the club the player was playing rather than potential and performance. I cannot recall the coach name, something like Joaquin Poo ...

Karl-Heinz Riedle · Mar 26, 2019

Ger90 said: ↑

Rudiger already 26 is nowhere near Boa or Hummels when they were 26, in fact even younger Hummels/Boa are better than current Rudiger tbh.
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Not everyone has to be the same

26 is still young for a CB

Hummels n Boateng broke out early but regress at 28/29 due to overplayed n injuries

Usually CBs prime age should be 27-32

Alex C · Mar 26, 2019

Rudiger actually had a 92% pass accuracy v Holland, and completed the 4th most passes in the team. Sure he isn't a stylish player, but he isn't terrible either. Until players like Stark, Kempf and Torunarigha gain more experience I think using him alongside Sule will be ok.

Hummels won't come back under Low. Once you've been blacklisted that's it lol. Imo it was a poor decision, but that's no surprise, Low is good at making bad decisions.

The Jitty Slitter · Mar 26, 2019

saj7866 said: ↑

Loew publicly stated hummels career is over, I can't see how he's going to turn back on his word
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Yeah - because he has mismanaged the transition Germany are too late bringing the new talent thru and a bit too quick on the ejector set on the older guys

With players playing longer, some of the 30 somethings should have been able to offer a bit more to blend the transition

Instead Loew's first cull was ineffective and now he had to have a second purge

Upshot is in central defence, Germany no longer has the elite talent it used to be able to rely on

My guess is Hummels and Mueller were ousted for political reasons. Boateng thoroughly deserved to be dropped. But its hard to see why the other two might not make the squad.

saj7866 · Mar 26, 2019

The Jitty Slitter said: ↑

Yeah - because he has mismanaged the transition Germany are too late bringing the new talent thru and a bit too quick on the ejector set on the older guys

With players playing longer, some of the 30 somethings should have been able to offer a bit more to blend the transition

Instead Loew's first cull was ineffective and now he had to have a second purge

Upshot is in central defence, Germany no longer has the elite talent it used to be able to rely on

My guess is Hummels and Mueller were ousted for political reasons. Boateng thoroughly deserved to be dropped. But its hard to see why the other two might not make

To be honest boetang and Muller are well passed their prime so have no issues with 5hem being axed
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Blueberry_night · Mar 26, 2019

The Jitty Slitter said: ↑

Yeah - because he has mismanaged the transition Germany are too late bringing the new talent thru and a bit too quick on the ejector set on the older guys

With players playing longer, some of the 30 somethings should have been able to offer a bit more to blend the transition

Instead Loew's first cull was ineffective and now he had to have a second purge

Upshot is in central defence, Germany no longer has the elite talent it used to be able to rely on

My guess is Hummels and Mueller were ousted for political reasons. Boateng thoroughly deserved to be dropped. But its hard to see why the other two might not make the squad.
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Hummels can be a bit of dick. However he is also possess quality of candor, toward his own self as well. Okay, put aside Hummels, now Muller is completely suprising. He looks super nice, down to earth and friendly. Can't believe this kind of player searching for trouble with the NT coach.

Ger90 · Mar 26, 2019

passing for defensive players is mostly just back to GK and guy next to you. He'll be 27 at the Euro and eh is my feeling towards him.

Ger90 · Mar 26, 2019

defensively that Dutch game was bad, when Germany parks the bus for 45 min and when we play 7 defensive players yet we still concede 2 goals and could very easily have been much more. That's not good at all even more so since Germany was parking the bus like some minnow.

dips82 · Mar 26, 2019

Parking the bus is a strategy of the game specially when you are up by 2 goals against a strong opposition and want to play in counters

Ger90 · Mar 26, 2019

the Dutch is not that strong they are also in a rebuild mode.

parking the bus when the game is almost over sure, for half the game on the other hand......

and we had 7 defensive players to boot too.

dips82 · Mar 26, 2019

Both Tah and Ginter are good with the ball but not at Hummels’s level