New overall standings now: 1 Pele 844 2 Diego Maradona 825 3 Johan Cruyff 815 4 Franz Beckenbauer 776 5 Alfredo Di Stéfano 762 6 Ferenc Puskás 737 7 Michel Platini 725 8 Garrincha 701 9 George Best 658 10 Eusebio 631 11 Ronaldo 623 12 Zico 615 13 Bobby Charlton 607 14 Zinedine Zidane 598 15 Marco van Basten 595 16 Gerd Müller 585 17 Lev Yashin 521 18 Paolo Maldini 485 19 Romario 451 20 Lothar Matthäus 443 21 Franco Baresi 435 22 Bobby Moore 401 23 Didí 356 24 Roberto Baggio 347 25 Stanley Matthews 343 26 Giuseppe Meazza 336 27 Ruud Gullit 326 28 Rivelino 294 29 Leonidas 240 30 Dino Zoff 235 31 Zizinho 224 32 José Manuel Moreno 222 33 Ronaldinho 217 34 Raymond Kopa 190 35 Lionel Messi 184 36 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 174 37 Paolo Rossi 167 38 Fritz Walter 161 39 Gianni Rivera 143 40 Ladislao Kubala 138 41 Thierry Henry 131 42 Daniel Passarella 116 43 Dennis Bergkamp 109 44 Sandor Kocsis 106 45 Mario Kempes 91 46 Matthias Sindelar 89 47 Johan Neeskens 87 48 Sandro Mazzola 85 49 Rivaldo 84 50 George Weah 73 51 Uwe Seeler 72 52 Kenny Dalglish 70 53= Falcao 69 53= Luís Figo 69 55 Michael Laudrup 68 56= Gabriel Batistuta 65 56= Teófilo Cubillas 65 58= Carlos Alberto 63 58= Cafú 63 60 Adolfo Pedernera 60 61= Nilton Santos 59 61= Roberto Carlos 59 61= Duncan Edwards 59 64= Giacinto Facchetti 57 64= Peter Schmeichel 57 64= Just Fontaine 57 67 Gordon Banks 56 68 Kaká 55 69 Frank Rijkaard 54 70= Jairzinho 52 70= Gheorghe Hagi 52 72 Luis Suarez 51 73 Francesco Totti 47 74 Jürgen Klinsmann 46 75 Omar Sivori 43 76 Juan Alberto Schiaffino 41 77 Hristo Stoichkov 39 78= Josef Bican 38 78= Gaetano Scirea 38 80= Hector Scarone 36 80= Luigi Riva 36 82= Arsenio Erico 33 82= Elías Figueroa 33 82= Matthias Sammer 33 85 John Charles 32 86 Dejan Savicevic 31 87 Valentino Mazzola 30 88 Gyorgy Sarosi 28 89= Andriy Shevchenko 27 89= Cesar Cueto 27 91 Dragan Dzajic 26 92= Arthur Friedenreich 25 92= Junior 25 92= Bruno Conti 25 95 Jose Nasazzi 24 96= Hugo Sanchez 23 96= Gianluigi Buffon 23 96= Jozsef Bozsik 23 99 Tostao 22 100= Mario Zagallo 20 100= Cristiano Ronaldo 20 102 Tom Finney 18 103= Socrates 17 103= Domingos da Guia 17 105 Arjen Robben 16 106= Gunnar Nordahl 15 106= Bebeto 15 108= Francisco Gento 14 108= Ryan Giggs 14 108= Fabio Cannavaro 14 108= Xavi 14 112= Kevin Keegan 12 112= Piet Keizer 12 112= Claudio Gentile 12 115 Berti Vogts 11 116 Djalma Santos 10 117= Emilio Butragueño 9 117= Eric Cantona 9 117= Careca 9 120= José Leandro Andrade 8 120= Zbigniew Boniek 8 120= Sepp Maier 8 120= Leandro 8 120= Lilian Thuram 8 120= Demetrio Albertini 8 126= Enzo Francescoli 7 126= Oliver Kahn 7 126= Alessandro Nesta 7 129 Raul 6 130= Edgar Davids 5 130= Ubaldo Fillol 5 132= Robert Pires 4 132= Gerson 4 132= Wesley Sneijder 4 135= Jorginho 3 135= Hector Chumpitaz 3 135= Roberto Donadoni 3 138= Telmo Zarra 2 138= Patrick Vieira 2 138= Gary Lineker 2 141= Fernando Redondo 1 141= Brian Laudrup 1 141= Deco 1 141= Marco Tardelli 1 HM's: Pavel Nedved Marcel Desailly Denis Law Josef Masopust Jimmy Greaves Kazimierz Deyna Rob Rensenbrink John Robertson Roger Milla Preben Elkjaer Jean Tigana Jan Ceulemans Glenn Hoddle Pierre Littbarski John Barnes Enzo Scifo Claudio Caniggia Paul Gascoigne Gianfranco Zola Davor Suker Henrik Larsson David Beckham Robinho Ruud van Nistelrooy Johnny Rep Wolfgang Overath Paul Breitner Ademir Marques de Menezes Angel Labruna Javier Zanetti Claude Makalele Luis Monti Fernando Peyroteo Alberto Spencer Ricardo Zamora Paul van Himst Wlodzmierz Lubanski Abedi Pele Florian Albert Nandor Hidegkuti Peter Shilton Tommy Lawton Nils Liedholm Ruud Krol Renat Dasayev Neville Southall Dragan Stojkovic Bixente Lizarazu Fernando Hierro Jari Litmanen
By decade players made their debut: 1920's or before 26 Giuseppe Meazza 336 (Italy) 29 Leonidas 240 (Brazil) 46 Matthias Sindelar 89 (Austria) 80= Hector Scarone 36 (Uruguay) 92= Arthur Friedenreich 25 (Brazil) 95 Jose Nasazzi 24 (Uruguay) 103= Domingos da Guia 17 (Brazil) 120= José Leandro Andrade 8 (Uruguay) 1930's 25 Stanley Matthews 343 (England) 31 Zizinho 224 (Brazil) 32 José Manuel Moreno 222 (Argentina) 38 Fritz Walter 161 (Germany) 60 Adolfo Pedernera 60 (Argentina) 78= Josef Bican 38 (Austria/Czechoslovakia) 82= Arsenio Erico 33 (Paraguay) 87 Valentino Mazzola 30 (Italy) 88 Gyorgy Sarosi 28 (Hungary) 106= Gunnar Nordahl 15 (Sweden) 138= Telmo Zarra 2 (Spain) 1940's 5 Alfredo Di Stéfano 762 (Argentina) 6 Ferenc Puskás 737 (Hungary) 23 Didí 356 (Brazil) 34 Raymond Kopa 190 (France) 40 Ladislao Kubala 138 (Czechoslovakia/Hungary) 44 Sandor Kocsis 106 (Hungary) 61= Nilton Santos 59 (Brazil) 76 Juan Alberto Schiaffino 41 (Uruguay) 96= Jozsef Bozsik 23 (Hungary) 100= Mario Zagallo 20 (Brazil) 102 Tom Finney 18 (England) 116 Djalma Santos 10 (Brazil) 1950's 1 Pele 844 (Brazil) 8 Garrincha 701 (Brazil) 10 Eusebio 631 (Portugal) 13 Bobby Charlton 607 (England) 17 Lev Yashin 521 (Soviet Union) 22 Bobby Moore 401 (England) 39 Gianni Rivera 143 (Italy) 51 Uwe Seeler 72 (Germany) 61= Duncan Edwards 59 (England) 64= Just Fontaine 57 (France) 67 Gordon Banks 56 (England) 72 Luis Suarez 51 (Spain) 75 Omar Sivori 43 (Argentina) 85 John Charles 32 (Wales) 108= Francisco Gento 14 (Spain) 132= Gerson 4 (Brazil) 1960's 3 Johan Cruyff 815 (Holland) 4 Franz Beckenbauer 776 (Germany) 9 George Best 658 (N.Ireland) 16 Gerd Müller 585 (Germany) 28 Rivelino 294 (Brazil) 30 Dino Zoff 235 (Italy) 47 Johan Neeskens 87 (Holland) 48 Sandro Mazzola 85 (Italy) 52 Kenny Dalglish 70 (Scotland) 56= Teófilo Cubillas 65 (Peru) 58= Carlos Alberto 63 (Brazil) 64= Giacinto Facchetti 57 (Italy) 70= Jairzinho 52 (Brazil) 80= Luigi Riva 36 (Italy) 82= Elías Figueroa 33 (Chile) 89= Cesar Cueto 27 (Peru) 91 Dragan Dzajic 26 (Yugoslavia) 99 Tostao 22 (Brazil) 112= Kevin Keegan 12 (England) 112= Piet Keizer 12 (Holland) 115 Berti Vogts 11 (Germany) 120= Sepp Maier 8 (Germany) 130= Ubaldo Fillol 5 (Argentina) 135= Hector Chumpitaz 3 (Peru) 1970's 2 Diego Maradona 825 (Argentina) 7 Michel Platini 725 (France) 12 Zico 615 (Brazil) 20 Lothar Matthäus 443 (Germany) 21 Franco Baresi 435 (Italy) 36 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 174 (Germany) 37 Paolo Rossi 167 (Italy) 42 Daniel Passarella 116 (Argentina) 45 Mario Kempes 91 (Argentina) 53= Falcao 69 (Brazil) 78= Gaetano Scirea 38 (Italy) 92= Junior 25 (Brazil) 92= Bruno Conti 25 (Italy) 96= Hugo Sanchez 23 (Mexico) 103= Socrates 17 (Brazil) 112= Claudio Gentile 12 (Italy) 117= Careca 9 (Brazil) 120= Zbigniew Boniek 8 (Poland) 120= Leandro 8 (Brazil) 141= Marco Tardelli 1 (Italy) 1980's 14 Zinedine Zidane 598 (France) 15 Marco van Basten 595 Holland) 18 Paolo Maldini 485 (Italy) 19 Romario 451 (Brazil) 24 Roberto Baggio 347 (Italy) 27 Ruud Gullit 326 (Holland) 43 Dennis Bergkamp 109 (Holland) 50 George Weah 73 (Liberia) 53= Luís Figo 69 (Portugal) 55 Michael Laudrup 68 (Denmark) 56= Gabriel Batistuta 65 (Argentina) 64= Peter Schmeichel 57 (Denmark) 69 Frank Rijkaard 54 (Holland) 70= Gheorghe Hagi 52 (Romania) 74 Jürgen Klinsmann 46 (Germany) 77 Hristo Stoichkov 39 (Bulgaria) 82= Matthias Sammer 33 (Germany) 86 Dejan Savicevic 31 (Yugoslavia) 106= Bebeto 15 (Brazil) 117= Emilio Butragueño 9 (Spain) 117= Eric Cantona 9 (France) 120= Demetrio Albertini 8 (Italy) 126= Enzo Francescoli 7 (Uruguay) 126= Oliver Kahn 7 (Germany) 135= Jorginho 3 (Brazil) 135= Roberto Donadoni 3 (Italy) 138= Gary Lineker 2 (England) 141= Fernando Redondo 1 (Argentina) 141= Brian Laudrup 1 (Denmark) 1990's 11 Ronaldo 623 (Brazil) 33 Ronaldinho 217 (Brazil) 41 Thierry Henry 131 (France) 49 Rivaldo 84 (Brazil) 58= Cafú 63 (Brazil) 61= Roberto Carlos 59 (Brazil) 73 Francesco Totti 47 (Italy) 89= Andriy Shevchenko 27 (Ukraine) 96= Gianluigi Buffon 23 (Italy) 108= Ryan Giggs 14 (Wales) 108= Fabio Cannavaro 14 (Italy) 108= Xavi 14 (Spain) 120= Lilian Thuram 8 (France) 126= Alessandro Nesta 7 (Italy) 129 Raul 6 (Spain) 130= Edgar Davids 5 (Holland) 132= Robert Pires 4 (France) 138= Patrick Vieira 2 (France) 141= Deco 1 (Portugal) 2000-2009 35 Lionel Messi 184 (Argentina) 68 Kaká 55 (Brazil) 100= Cristiano Ronaldo 20 (Portugal) 105 Arjen Robben 16 (Holland) 132= Wesley Sneijder 4 (Holland) HM's: 1920's or before Luis Monti (Argentina) Ricardo Zamora (Spain) 1930's Angel Labruna (Argentina) Fernando Peyroteo (Portugal) Tommy Lawton (England) 1940's Ademir Marques de Menezes (Brazil) Nandor Hidegkuti (Hungary) Nils Liedholm (Sweden) 1950's Denis Law (Scotland) Josef Masopust (Czechoslovakia) Jimmy Greaves (England) Alberto Spencer (Ecuador) Florian Albert (Hungary) 1960's Kazimierz Deyna (Poland) Rob Rensenbrink (Holland) Wolfgang Overath (Germany) Paul van Himst (Belgium) Wlodzmierz Lubanski (Poland) Peter Shilton (England) Ruud Krol (Holland) 1970's John Robertson (Scotland) Roger Milla (Cameroon) Preben Elkjaer (Denmark) Jean Tigana (France) Jan Ceulemans (Belgium) Glenn Hoddle (England) Pierre Littbarski (Germany) Johnny Rep (Holland) Paul Breitner (Germany) Renat Dasayev (Soviet Union) Neville Southall (Wales) 1980's Marcel Desailly (France) John Barnes (England) Enzo Scifo (Belgium) Claudio Caniggia (Argentina) Paul Gascoigne (England) Gianfranco Zola (Italy) Davor Suker (Croatia) Abedi Pele (Ghana) Dragan Stojkovic (Yugoslavia) Bixente Lizarazu (France) Fernando Hierro (Spain) Jari Litmanen (Finland) 1990's Pavel Nedved (Cezch Republic) Henrik Larsson (Sweden) David Beckham (England) Ruud van Nistelrooy (Holland) Javier Zanetti (Argentina) Claude Makalele (France) 2000-2009 Robinho (Brazil)
The last couple of voters added a few new players. Here's the current version by first nation played for (with total points for each nation) listed by the decade of players' debuts - Hungary and Czechoslovakia could arguably have been given half of Kubala and Bican's points respectively. Yugoslavia, Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia would have a few extra players and points if counting the new contries within their totals but likewise Serbia would have Dzajic, Russia would have Yashin etc if current countries were given the players that were born in them but which were part of the larger nations during their careers. All Germans including Sammer are listed under Germany. I'm still listing Suker as Croatian, with so many goals and caps for Croatia compared to for Yugoslavia. Argentina 1920's or before HM Luis Monti 1930's 32 José Manuel Moreno 222 60 Adolfo Pedernera 60 HM Angel Labruna 1940's 5 Alfredo Di Stéfano 762 1950's 75 Omar Sivori 43 1960's 130= Ubaldo Fillol 5 1970's 2 Diego Maradona 825 42 Daniel Passarella 116 45 Mario Kempes 91 1980's 56= Gabriel Batistuta 65 141= Fernando Redondo 1 HM Claudio Caniggia 1990's HM Javier Zanetti 2000-2009 35 Lionel Messi 184 TOTAL POINTS 2374 Austria 1920's or before 46 Matthias Sindelar 89 1930's 78= Josef Bican 38 TOTAL POINTS 127 Belgium 1960's HM Paul van Himst 1970's HM Jan Ceulemans 1980's HM Enzo Scifo Brazil 1920's or before 29 Leonidas 240 92= Arthur Friedenreich 25 103= Domingos da Guia 17 1930's 31 Zizinho 224 1940's 23 Didí 356 61= Nilton Santos 59 100= Mario Zagallo 20 116 Djalma Santos 10 HM Ademir Marques de Menezes 1950's 1 Pele 844 8 Garrincha 701 132= Gerson 4 1960's 28 Rivelino 294 58= Carlos Alberto 63 70= Jairzinho 52 99 Tostao 22 1970's 12 Zico 615 53= Falcao 69 92= Junior 25 103= Socrates 17 117= Careca 9 120= Leandro 8 1980's 19 Romario 451 106= Bebeto 15 135= Jorginho 3 1990's 11 Ronaldo 623 33 Ronaldinho 217 49 Rivaldo 84 58= Cafú 63 61= Roberto Carlos 59 2000-2009 68 Kaká 55 HM Robinho TOTAL POINTS 5244 Bulgaria 1980's 77 Hristo Stoichkov 39 TOTAL POINTS 39 Cameroon 1970's HM Roger Milla Chile 1960's 82= Elías Figueroa 33 TOTAL POINTS 33 Croatia 1980's HM Davor Suker Czechoslovakia 1940's 40 Ladislao Kubala 138 HM Josef Masopust TOTAL POINTS 138 Czech Republic 1990's HM Pavel Nedved Denmark 1970's HM Preben Elkjaer 1980's 55 Michael Laudrup 68 64= Peter Schmeichel 57 141= Brian Laudrup 1 TOTAL POINTS 126 Ecuador 1950's HM Alberto Spencer England 1930's 25 Stanley Matthews 343 HM Tommy Lawton 1940's 102 Tom Finney 18 1950's 13 Bobby Charlton 607 22 Bobby Moore 401 61= Duncan Edwards 59 67 Gordon Banks 56 HM Jimmy Greaves 1960's 112= Kevin Keegan 12 HM Peter Shilton 1970's HM Glenn Hoddle 1980's 138= Gary Lineker 2 HM John Barnes HM Paul Gascoigne 1990's HM David Beckham TOTAL POINTS 1498 Finland 1980's HM Jari Litmanen France 1940's 34 Raymond Kopa 190 1950's 64= Just Fontaine 57 1970's 7 Michel Platini 725 HM Jean Tigana 1980's 14 Zinedine Zidane 598 117= Eric Cantona 9 HM Marcel Desailly HM Bixente Lizarazu 1990's 41 Thierry Henry 131 120= Lilian Thuram 8 132= Robert Pires 4 138= Patrick Vieira 2 HM Claude Makalele TOTAL POINTS 1724 Germany 1930's 38 Fritz Walter 161 1950's 51 Uwe Seeler 72 1960's 4 Franz Beckenbauer 776 16 Gerd Müller 585 115 Berti Vogts 11 120= Sepp Maier 8 HM Wolfgang Overath 1970's 20 Lothar Matthäus 443 36 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 174 HM Pierre Littbarski HM Paul Breitner 1980's 74 Jürgen Klinsmann 46 82= Matthias Sammer 33 126= Oliver Kahn 7 TOTAL POINTS 2316 Ghana 1980's HM Abedi Pele Holland 1960's 3 Johan Cruyff 815 47 Johan Neeskens 87 112= Piet Keizer 12 HM Rob Rensenbrink HM Ruud Krol 1970's HM Johnny Rep 1980's 15 Marco van Basten 595 27 Ruud Gullit 326 43 Dennis Bergkamp 109 69 Frank Rijkaard 54 1990's 130= Edgar Davids 5 HM Ruud van Nistelrooy 2000-2009 105 Arjen Robben 16 132= Wesley Sneijder 4 TOTAL POINTS 2023 Hungary 1930's 88 Gyorgy Sarosi 28 1940's 6 Ferenc Puskás 737 44 Sandor Kocsis 106 96= Jozsef Bozsik 23 HM Nandor Hidegkuti 1950's HM Florian Albert TOTAL POINTS 894 Italy 1920's or before 26 Giuseppe Meazza 336 1930's 87 Valentino Mazzola 30 1950's 39 Gianni Rivera 143 1960's 30 Dino Zoff 235 48 Sandro Mazzola 85 64= Giacinto Facchetti 57 80= Luigi Riva 36 1970's 21 Franco Baresi 435 37 Paolo Rossi 167 78= Gaetano Scirea 38 92= Bruno Conti 25 112= Claudio Gentile 12 141= Marco Tardelli 1 1980's 18 Paolo Maldini 485 24 Roberto Baggio 347 120= Demetrio Albertini 8 135= Roberto Donadoni 3 HM Gianfranco Zola 1990's 73 Francesco Totti 47 96= Gianluigi Buffon 23 108= Fabio Cannavaro 14 126= Alessandro Nesta 7 TOTAL POINTS 2534 Liberia 1980's 50 George Weah 73 TOTAL POINTS 73 Mexico 1970's 96= Hugo Sanchez 23 TOTAL POINTS 23 Northern Ireland 1960's 9 George Best 658 TOTAL POINTS 658 Paraguay 1930's 82= Arsenio Erico 33 TOTAL POINTS 33 Peru 1960's 56= Teófilo Cubillas 65 89= Cesar Cueto 27 135= Hector Chumpitaz 3 TOTAL POINTS 95 Poland 1960's HM Kazimierz Deyna HM Wlodzmierz Lubanski 1970's 120= Zbigniew Boniek 8 TOTAL POINTS 8 Portugal 1930's HM Fernando Peyroteo 1950's 10 Eusebio 631 1980's 53= Luís Figo 69 1990's 141= Deco 1 2000-2009 100= Cristiano Ronaldo 20 TOTAL POINTS 721 Romania 1980's 70= Gheorghe Hagi 52 TOTAL POINTS 52 Scotland 1950's HM Denis Law 1960's 52 Kenny Dalglish 70 1970's HM John Robertson TOTAL POINTS 70 Soviet Union 1950's 17 Lev Yashin 521 1970's HM Renat Dasayev TOTAL POINTS 521 Spain 1920's or before HM Ricardo Zamora 1930's 138= Telmo Zarra 2 1950's 72 Luis Suarez 51 108= Francisco Gento 14 1980's 117= Emilio Butragueño 9 HM Fernando Hierro 1990's 108= Xavi 14 129 Raul 6 TOTAL POINTS 96 Sweden 1930's 106= Gunnar Nordahl 15 1940's HM Nils Liedholm 1990's HM Henrik Larsson TOTAL POINTS 15 Ukraine 1990's 89= Andriy Shevchenko 27 TOTAL POINTS 27 Uruguay 1920's or before 80= Hector Scarone 36 95 Jose Nasazzi 24 120= José Leandro Andrade 8 1940's 76 Juan Alberto Schiaffino 41 1980's 126= Enzo Francescoli 7 TOTAL POINTS 116 Wales 1950's 85 John Charles 32 1970's HM Neville Southall 1990's 108= Ryan Giggs 14 TOTAL POINTS 46 Yugoslavia 1960's 91 Dragan Dzajic 26 1980's 86 Dejan Savicevic 31 HM Dragan Stojkovic TOTAL POINTS 57
Hi, I know I'm not strictly on-topic but I listed my all-time greatest players on this web-page, and the best 20 national sides and best 20 club sides of all time, with their line-ups. It would be good to know what you think. http://footballsgreatest.weebly.com/
Hi, I'm wary of links after clicking a virus previously (hopefully AVG would now prevent them but anyway...). You can paste your article on here by all means, and if you have less than 50 players you could add a few and be included as a voter for this thread. Perhaps you could create a new thread for the all-time sides and I'm sure plenty of people would be interested.
OK, I can assure you there is no virus but I understand. I did pick 20 'legends' but haven't put them in order. In chronological order they are: Sindelar Schiaffino Matthews Di Stefano Puskas Yashin Garrincha Charlton Eusebio Best Pele Beckenbauer Cruyff Platiini Maradona Maldini Zidane Ronaldo C. Ronaldo Messi
Thanks for the legends list GeorgieBest. As you can see they all feature in the current standings with the majority in the top 20, including your namesake . 18 of them (all but the two oldest) were in the Daily Mail's original list.
It's hard to compare players in different eras and positions, but let's try it: 1 PELE 2 MARADONA 3 CRUYFF 4 BECKENBAUER 5 DI STEFANO 6 PUSKAS 7 GARRINCHA 8 PLATINI 9 RONALDO 10 B.CHARLTON 11 YASHIN 12 JM.MORENO 13 SINDELAR 14 ZIDANE 15 EUSEBIO 16 MATTHEWS 17 MESSI 18 G.MULLER 19 VAN BASTEN 20 ZICO 21 BEST 22 MATTHAUS 23 B.MOORE 24 P.MALDINI 25 ROMARIO 26 BARESI 27 DIDI 28 RIVELINO 29 SCHIAFFINO 30 G.RIVERA 31 MEAZZA 32 F.WALTER 33 T.CUBILLAS 34 R.BAGGIO 35 KUBALA 36 SIVORI 37 PEDERNERA 38 ZIZINHO 39 GULLIT 40 RUMMENIGGE 41 KOPA 42 KOCSIS 43 FACCHETTI 44 H.SCARONE 45 TOSTAO 46 KEMPES 47 ERICO 48 RIVALDO 49 BANKS 50 FIGUEROA
Thanks for the vote msioux75: 1 Pele 894 2 Diego Maradona 874 3 Johan Cruyff 863 4 Franz Beckenbauer 823 5 Alfredo Di Stéfano 808 6 Ferenc Puskás 782 7 Michel Platini 768 8 Garrincha 745 9 George Best 688 10 Eusebio 667 11 Ronaldo 665 12 Bobby Charlton 648 13 Zico 646 14 Zinedine Zidane 635 15 Marco van Basten 627 16 Gerd Müller 618 17 Lev Yashin 561 18 Paolo Maldini 512 19 Romario 477 20 Lothar Matthäus 472 21 Franco Baresi 460 22 Bobby Moore 429 23 Didí 380 24 Stanley Matthews 378 25 Roberto Baggio 364 26 Giuseppe Meazza 356 27 Ruud Gullit 338 28 Rivelino 317 29 José Manuel Moreno 261 30 Leonidas 240 31= Dino Zoff 235 31= Zizinho 235 33 Lionel Messi 218 34 Ronaldinho 217 35 Raymond Kopa 200 36 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 185 37 Fritz Walter 180 38 Paolo Rossi 167 39 Gianni Rivera 164 40 Ladislao Kubala 154 41 Thierry Henry 131 42 Matthias Sindelar 127 43 Daniel Passarella 116 44 Sandor Kocsis 115 45 Dennis Bergkamp 109 46 Mario Kempes 96 47= Johan Neeskens 87 47= Rivaldo 87 49 Sandro Mazzola 85 50 Teófilo Cubillas 83 51 Adolfo Pedernera 74 52 George Weah 73 53 Uwe Seeler 72 54 Kenny Dalglish 70 55= Falcao 69 55= Luís Figo 69 57 Michael Laudrup 68 58 Gabriel Batistuta 65 58= Giacinto Facchetti 65 60= Carlos Alberto 63 60= Cafú 63 60= Juan Alberto Schiaffino 63 63= Nilton Santos 59 63= Roberto Carlos 59 63= Duncan Edwards 59 66= Gordon Banks 58 66= Omar Sivori 58 68= Peter Schmeichel 57 68= Just Fontaine 57 70 Kaká 55 71 Frank Rijkaard 54 72= Jairzinho 52 72= Gheorghe Hagi 52 74 Luis Suarez 51 75 Francesco Totti 47 76 Jürgen Klinsmann 46 77 Hector Scarone 43 78 Hristo Stoichkov 39 79= Josef Bican 38 79= Gaetano Scirea 38 81 Arsenio Erico 37 82 Luigi Riva 36 83 Elías Figueroa 34 84 Matthias Sammer 33 85 John Charles 32 86 Dejan Savicevic 31 87 Valentino Mazzola 30 88= Gyorgy Sarosi 28 88= Tostao 28 90= Andriy Shevchenko 27 90= Cesar Cueto 27 92 Dragan Dzajic 26 93= Arthur Friedenreich 25 93= Junior 25 93= Bruno Conti 25 96 Jose Nasazzi 24 97= Hugo Sanchez 23 97= Gianluigi Buffon 23 97= Jozsef Bozsik 23 100= Mario Zagallo 20 100= Cristiano Ronaldo 20 102 Tom Finney 18 103= Socrates 17 103= Domingos da Guia 17 105 Arjen Robben 16 106= Gunnar Nordahl 15 106= Bebeto 15 108= Francisco Gento 14 108= Ryan Giggs 14 108= Fabio Cannavaro 14 108= Xavi 14 112= Kevin Keegan 12 112= Piet Keizer 12 112= Claudio Gentile 12 115 Berti Vogts 11 116 Djalma Santos 10 117= Emilio Butragueño 9 117= Eric Cantona 9 117= Careca 9 120= José Leandro Andrade 8 120= Zbigniew Boniek 8 120= Sepp Maier 8 120= Leandro 8 120= Lilian Thuram 8 120= Demetrio Albertini 8 126= Enzo Francescoli 7 126= Oliver Kahn 7 126= Alessandro Nesta 7 129 Raul 6 130= Edgar Davids 5 130= Ubaldo Fillol 5 132= Robert Pires 4 132= Gerson 4 132= Wesley Sneijder 4 135= Jorginho 3 135= Hector Chumpitaz 3 135= Roberto Donadoni 3 138= Telmo Zarra 2 138= Patrick Vieira 2 138= Gary Lineker 2 141= Fernando Redondo 1 141= Brian Laudrup 1 141= Deco 1 141= Marco Tardelli 1 HM's: Pavel Nedved Marcel Desailly Denis Law Josef Masopust Jimmy Greaves Kazimierz Deyna Rob Rensenbrink John Robertson Roger Milla Preben Elkjaer Jean Tigana Jan Ceulemans Glenn Hoddle Pierre Littbarski John Barnes Enzo Scifo Claudio Caniggia Paul Gascoigne Gianfranco Zola Davor Suker Henrik Larsson David Beckham Robinho Ruud van Nistelrooy Johnny Rep Wolfgang Overath Paul Breitner Ademir Marques de Menezes Angel Labruna Javier Zanetti Claude Makalele Luis Monti Fernando Peyroteo Alberto Spencer Ricardo Zamora Paul van Himst Wlodzmierz Lubanski Abedi Pele Florian Albert Nandor Hidegkuti Peter Shilton Tommy Lawton Nils Liedholm Ruud Krol Renat Dasayev Neville Southall Dragan Stojkovic Bixente Lizarazu Fernando Hierro Jari Litmanen
The 10 greatest 'poachers' of all time The 'poacher' or 'fox in the box' is usually a scorer of a great many goals but not a scorer of great goals. Almost all goals are scored from within, or on the edge of, the penalty box and result from approach play or saved shots from other players. The poacher seizes on loose balls in and around the box and puts them away. This is not as easy as it sounds. The great goal poacher instinctively knows when and where to be, he has fast reactions, and he can lose his marker and can score with great improvisation: with either foot, the head or even other body parts. He can turn tightly in space and score from acute and unusual angles. These players often offer nothing else to gameplay outside the box but can register amazing goal tallies. They always need to be combined with other talented second strikers or centre-forwards and tend to work best when combined with the former. To qualify for this list they have to be something special and have extraordinary goal tallies. Leonidas Bra 1930s Jimmy Greaves Eng 1960s Denis Law Sco 1962-74 Uwe Seeler Ger 1966-70 Gerd Muller Ger 1970s Ian Rush Eng 1980s Butragueno Spa 1980s Hugo Sanchez Mex 1980s Romario Bra 1988-94 van Nistletrooy Neths 1998-2008 --------------------- 1oachers dont score great goals??let me know what a great goal is..your criteria of a great goal... 2: ALLMOST all goals are scored from within or the edge of the penalty box, AND RESULT OF THE APROACH PLAY OR SAVED SHOTS FROM OTHER PLAYERS...really so dramatic?? 3:the players often offer nothing else for the game play outside of the penalty box..(not in the box this players leave the field drinking water and walk around on the field???).. ---------- complete strikers are the kings of strikers..the suggestion i got after reading your description of this typ of players.. ----- example van basten.. here is videofootage of van bastens best goalscoring season for ac milan 1991/92..25 leaque goals scored(imclusive 9 penaltys,5 headers)..1: please let me know the quality of his goals .how many of his goals was great goals..remember the argumentation complete strikers score often great goals and complete strikers selfcreate often goals... (van basten olso has scored 4 goals in italien cup (inclusive 3 penaltys)and 6 goals in european cup (inclusive 1 penalty and 1 bycicle goal) same season..) in my opinion the quality of van bastens goals very often is not better than goals of called poachers..see the videofootage ... [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93kib4fjrYc&feature=related"]YouTube - Marco Van Basten 91-92[/ame] van basten has scored total 122 goals for milan and 33 of his goals he has scored with penaltys...for the statistic..
Since 621380 has read your page I was now confident to do so (I was extra cautious after getting a virus from a supposed blog though admitedly the post and probably the web page address looked more dodgy on that occasion). Excellent work - it's an interesting read that I'd recommend to others to have a look - the Great Teams (national sides and club sides) section is particularly nice. I'm sure the great players lists can be compared to the votes on this thread and also comme's lists of Greatest X (X being the particular position/role though he has less than you in midfield and attack) of All-Time. Just to re-assure you a little 621380, on the vote for greatest striker the 6 suggestions he gives include two of the 'poachers' Muller and Romario, along with Henry and 3 he classifies as complete strikers Ronaldo, Eusebio and van Basten, so he's not saying every 'complete' striker is ahead of all the 'poachers'. There are a few other van Basten videos available on Youtube of course, and several great individual goals are evident on them.
georgiebest more or lesser suggest poachers doesent score great goals....videos of poachers where did score great goals are avalaible on youtube too...so why you dont point out this fact and disagree with him??watch highlights of hugo sanchez and others [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQscA62WztU"]YouTube - Hugo Sanchez Top Ten[/ame] ..there is not much footage of seeler..however there are videos on youtube where he did score at least 3 great goals. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6EjADHWEj8"]YouTube - Uwe Seeler 1960[/ame] [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPauczFdErI"]YouTube - WM 1970 Deutschland - England[/ame] .gerd müller has scored some few great goals too and for many of his goals there exist no videofootage for the publik..this are examples....i never said van basten has not scored great goals , i have pointed out many of his goals are not better than the goals of so called poachers..and thats a fact..if you disagree let me know your reason.. the videofootage of van bastens 25 goals he has scored 1991/92 is more useful than picking out his career highlightgoals .....remember who point out the finger against so called poachers..(better description is goalscorer strikers) here is videofootage of another ac milian season where van basten did score 19 liga goals..so you see combinated footage of nearly 50% (44 goals,inclusive 14 penaltys..)of his ac milan liga career goals.. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpFeiby7ifo"]YouTube - Marco Van Basten, Serie A goals 1992/93[/ame] so now what do you think how many of his 44 goals can descripted great goals??...i knows its suspective..however i personally think van basten offer not really much more than others .... van basten: 172 games, 152 goals for ajax 201 games, 124 goals for ac milan (33 penaltys).. 58 games, 24 goals dutch NT(footage of 7 goals he has scored are available on youtube) van basten has scored 31(32) european cup goals in 45 games. ..there is avalaible videofootage on youtube of 27 goals he has scored(combinated for ajax and ac milan...)
621380, I agree that those strikers are capable of great goals so in that respect I do disagree with part of GeorgieBest's write-up. I think he was giving a general description and trying to differenciate between the styles of different strikers though, and I do think overall it is a good website. He also does say in his description of poachers "He can turn tightly in space and score from acute and unusual angles." and "To qualify for this list they have to be something special and have extraordinary goal tallies." Most of the players in his 'poachers' list did score a number of great goals, and each player has his own abilities so it's perhaps hard to categorise them. I do think most of them are great players very much because of their goal tallies though (maybe not Butragueno who was less prolific than the others but contributed a bit more to creating goals at times probably). Hugo Sanchez did score a number of spectacular goals, examples of which are on the video you provided. I do think it is correct to say van Basten was more complete, both as a goalscorer and overall player though. van Basten was excellent on his left side as well as his right, he could dribble very well as well as score with acrobatic finishes (though Sanchez was perhaps the master at these), he was a very good passer and could bring others into play often (I know Muller was also good at this but van Basten had the advantage of being quick and more mobile), he had a great touch in general play and he was a great header also. I think different strikers do have different attributes - for example Bergkamp scored more memorable goals than Lineker (who was categorised as an 'off the shoulder' striker but could've perhaps been included as a poacher), but if Bergkamp was the better overall player it was because of his passing, vision and suchlike not because he could be said to be a better goalscorer even though he scored better goals.
"Great" or "spectacular" are just relative term like "beauty is in the eye of the beholders"! For example some might think overhead kick is "great" but to me it;s just "spectacular" and NOT neccesary great - still depend on LUCK as the striker "try to do his best ... blindedly or statistically" Great goals often like Maradona, or Ronaldo who dribbled passed few opponents and scored. Or to some lesser extend, great goals involved more with a striker's talent/skills before he can score that goal. For example, a great striker would accept a bad pass (from his back, or when he was surrounded with defenders) and YET he was still able to control, and score. While most often, a "POACHER" score goals as a result of team work - got a good pass and all he does is to finish it!
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Amazing how four great games can make someone the 38th best player of all time. Would love to see an argument justifying Rossi over let's say .. Henry.
Winning a WC almost single handedly is not enough? Does that not compare better with Diego Maradona? Paolo Rossi will be remembered in history, Henry not so sure... I do not see your point.
Can't really see how Rossi's performance in '82 is comparable to Maradona in '86 but well ... Pro Rossi Peak (NT) Skillwise Header Pro Henry Peak (Club) - 4 Times EPL topscorer, leading the team to EPL title, better Ballon D'or voting record by far Longevity (NT) - Henry scored more goals for the NT than Rossi played games Longevity (Club) - Nearly double the amount of games, more than twice as much seasons for a top club Importance & Value (NT) - Henry played in seven big tournaments compared to Rossi's two, alot more games played, NT regular for a lot longer Importance & Value (Club) - Henry WAS Arsenal for half a decade, Rossi hardly even the 2nd best player when he played for Juventus Skillwise Speed Shot Dribbling Technique Passing Crossing Free Kick Goalscoring (look up Henry's GPG for Arsenal if you disagree with me; 4 times EPL top goalscorer; the others aren't even debatable) Not even close.
Rossi was the Golden Ball winner and Golden Shoe winner at the 82' World Cup, to add along to his World Cup winning medal. That's an absolutely amazing feat. Not exactly sure how Henry's Ballon d'Or is better than Rossi's considering he never did win it, while Rossi won it in 1982 (along with World Player of the Year), this in a time with players like Zico, Platini, Boniek, Rummenigge, and even Maradona, albeit he was quite young. You also failed to exclude the fact that so many more games are played by NT teams now so naturally Henry would have plenty of game under his belt compared to Rossi, despite that fact, they still have equivalent goal averages for their teams. Also, Henry WAS Arsenal but let's not compare the Arsenal team of recent years to the team that Juventus was in the 80s. If I recall correctly, they made 3 consecutive European finals in the early 80s. That's something Arsenal could never dream of attaining. The fact that he played at 7 tournaments is damn impressive, though.
It's a bit exaggerated to compare Rossi 82 to Maradona 86. To be fair Rossi's 82 was equivalent to Baggio's 94 who were KEY to lead the (defensive) team to the final. The only difference (big?) was that Rossi did score 1goal in the final and Italy won that day (while Baggio failed to kick the ball and Brazxil won) Now back to Rossi vs Henry. It's rather hard to do a clear jsutification as both were very very good forwards. Henry delivered more to his club and Rossi delivered more to his NT. They both won big prizes i.e. WC, UCL, leauges titles ... However, as usual, WC put more weighs (if not most) to the ballance of the two: where Rossi shone well in 82 and was also good in WC78. Henry did also well for France (6goals +1ass/ 17 WCgames) but not to the same level as Rossi performed (9goals+4ass/14 WC games including goldenboot and goldenball 82) Henry put on some good flashy performance in EPL, but unfortunately, people tend to memorize WC level more - --> No surprise that many would put Rossi ahead to Henry in the ranking
I have to disagree that Rossi delivered more for his NT than Henry. The Frenchman played a lot more games, scored more goals, played in more big tournaments, also won WC + Euro and another final appeareance where he played a crucial role. Ofc It doesn't suprise me that many put Rossi ahead of Henry on a internetboard where a lot of people believe Zinedine Zidane is the best player of all time. The only weight that justifies to put Rossi ahead of Henry is 95% single WC performance 5% other
ok heres my list Diego Maradona Alfredo Di Stefano Pele Zinedine Zidane Johan Cruyff Frenec Puskas Gerd Muller Michel Platini Franz Beckenbauer Garrincha Euseibio George Best Ronaldo Paolo Maldini Zico Thierry Henry Michael Laudrup Marco Van Basten Roberto Baggio Peter Schmeichel Ruud Gullit Bobby Charlton Gabriel Batistuta Zizinho Bobby Moore Lev Yashin Daniel Passarella Lilian Thuram Franco Baresi Karl-Heinz Rummenigge Gordon Banks Rivaldo Rivelino Lothar Matthäus Kenny Daglish Johan Neeskens Sandro Mazzola Mario Kempes Ryan Giggs Ronaldinho Ian Rush Hugo Sanchez Dennis Bergkamp Laurent Blanc Ruud Van Nistelrooy Eric Cantona Lionel Messi Cafu David Trezeguet
Rossi did have a great world cup in 82 but Henry did achieve more for France. The only achievement Rossi has over Henry is the golden boot which gets far too overhyped and the golden ball. Rossi: - WC82 winner - WC82 golden boot - WC82 golden ball Henry: - WC98 winner - EC00 winner - EC00 team of tournament - CC03 winner - CC03 golden boot - CC03 golden ball - WC06 runner up - WC06 team of tournament - France top scorer (51) - France top assist maker (29) In competitive matches Henry also wins. Rossi: 11/22, scoring in 7 of those matches 31.81% Henry: 35/62, scoring in 29 of those matches 47.77% The real difference is their club career: Rossi: - 2 Serie A, 1 Serie B (3 Leagues) - 1 Coppa Italia - 1 Champions League - 1 Champions League runner up - League goals 103/251 - Champions League goals 11 - 1 Serie A golden boot - 1 Champions League golden boot - Total club trophies 5 Henry: - 1 Ligue1, 2 EPL, 2 La Liga (5 Leagues) - 2 F.A. Cups, 1 Coppa Del Rey (3 Cups) - 1 Champions League - 1 Champions League runner up - 1 UEFA cup runner up - League goals 234/467 (he was much more prolific when he was a striker at Arsenal with 174/254) - Champions League goals 50 - 4 EPL golden boots - 2 soulier d'ors - Total club trophies 9 I think the above is the point.
Thanks JP84. There was 49 in your list, so if you want to double-check you've not missed anyone off - I can re-adjust the totals if you have. Otherwise if you want you can add another player to give the final point to but no problem if you don't: 1 Pele 942 2 Diego Maradona 924 3 Johan Cruyff 909 4 Franz Beckenbauer 865 5 Alfredo Di Stéfano 857 6 Ferenc Puskás 827 7 Michel Platini 811 8 Garrincha 786 9 George Best 727 10 Eusebio 707 11 Ronaldo 703 12= Zico 682 12= Zinedine Zidane 682 14 Bobby Charlton 677 15 Gerd Müller 662 16 Marco van Basten 660 17 Lev Yashin 586 18 Paolo Maldini 549 19 Lothar Matthäus 489 20 Franco Baresi 482 21 Romario 477 22 Bobby Moore 455 23 Roberto Baggio 396 24 Didí 380 25 Stanley Matthews 378 26 Ruud Gullit 368 27 Giuseppe Meazza 356 28 Rivelino 335 29 Zizinho 262 30 José Manuel Moreno 261 31 Leonidas 240 32 Dino Zoff 235 33 Ronaldinho 228 34 Lionel Messi 222 35 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 206 36 Raymond Kopa 200 37 Fritz Walter 180 38 Paolo Rossi 167 39 Thierry Henry 166 40 Gianni Rivera 164 41 Ladislao Kubala 154 42 Daniel Passarella 140 43 Matthias Sindelar 127 44 Dennis Bergkamp 117 45 Sandor Kocsis 115 46 Mario Kempes 109 47 Rivaldo 106 48= Johan Neeskens 102 48= Michael Laudrup 102 50 Sandro Mazzola 99 51 Gabriel Batistuta 93 52 Peter Schmeichel 88 53 Kenny Dalglish 86 54 Teófilo Cubillas 83 55 Gordon Banks 78 56 Adolfo Pedernera 74 57 George Weah 73 58 Uwe Seeler 72 59= Falcao 69 59= Luís Figo 69 61 Cafú 66 62 Giacinto Facchetti 65 63= Carlos Alberto 63 63= Juan Alberto Schiaffino 63 65= Nilton Santos 59 65= Roberto Carlos 59 65= Duncan Edwards 59 68 Omar Sivori 58 69 Just Fontaine 57 70 Kaká 55 71 Frank Rijkaard 54 72= Jairzinho 52 72= Gheorghe Hagi 52 74 Luis Suarez 51 75 Francesco Totti 47 76 Jürgen Klinsmann 46 77 Hector Scarone 43 78 Hristo Stoichkov 39 79= Josef Bican 38 79= Gaetano Scirea 38 81 Arsenio Erico 37 82 Luigi Riva 36 83 Elías Figueroa 34 84 Matthias Sammer 33 85= John Charles 32 85= Hugo Sanchez 32 87= Dejan Savicevic 31 87= Lilian Thuram 31 89 Valentino Mazzola 30 90= Gyorgy Sarosi 28 90= Tostao 28 92= Andriy Shevchenko 27 92= Cesar Cueto 27 94= Dragan Dzajic 26 94= Ryan Giggs 26 96= Arthur Friedenreich 25 96= Junior 25 96= Bruno Conti 25 99 Jose Nasazzi 24 100= Gianluigi Buffon 23 100= Jozsef Bozsik 23 102= Mario Zagallo 20 102= Cristiano Ronaldo 20 104 Tom Finney 18 105= Socrates 17 105= Domingos da Guia 17 107 Arjen Robben 16 108= Gunnar Nordahl 15 108= Bebeto 15 110= Francisco Gento 14 110= Fabio Cannavaro 14 110= Xavi 14 110= Eric Cantona 14 114= Kevin Keegan 12 114= Piet Keizer 12 114= Claudio Gentile 12 117 Berti Vogts 11 118= Djalma Santos 10 118= Ian Rush 10 120= Emilio Butragueño 9 120= Careca 9 122= José Leandro Andrade 8 122= Zbigniew Boniek 8 122= Sepp Maier 8 122= Leandro 8 122= Demetrio Albertini 8 127= Enzo Francescoli 7 127= Oliver Kahn 7 127= Alessandro Nesta 7 130= Raul 6 130= Ruud van Nistelrooy 6 132= Edgar Davids 5 132= Ubaldo Fillol 5 134= Robert Pires 4 134= Gerson 4 134= Wesley Sneijder 4 137= Jorginho 3 137= Hector Chumpitaz 3 137= Roberto Donadoni 3 140= Telmo Zarra 2 140= Patrick Vieira 2 140= Gary Lineker 2 140= David Trezegeut 2 144= Fernando Redondo 1 144= Brian Laudrup 1 144= Deco 1 144= Marco Tardelli 1 HM's: Pavel Nedved Marcel Desailly Denis Law Josef Masopust Jimmy Greaves Kazimierz Deyna Rob Rensenbrink John Robertson Roger Milla Preben Elkjaer Jean Tigana Jan Ceulemans Glenn Hoddle Pierre Littbarski John Barnes Enzo Scifo Claudio Caniggia Paul Gascoigne Gianfranco Zola Davor Suker Henrik Larsson David Beckham Robinho Johnny Rep Wolfgang Overath Paul Breitner Ademir Marques de Menezes Angel Labruna Javier Zanetti Claude Makalele Luis Monti Fernando Peyroteo Alberto Spencer Ricardo Zamora Paul van Himst Wlodzmierz Lubanski Abedi Pele Florian Albert Nandor Hidegkuti Peter Shilton Tommy Lawton Nils Liedholm Ruud Krol Renat Dasayev Neville Southall Dragan Stojkovic Bixente Lizarazu Fernando Hierro Jari Litmanen