The home association MUST agree. The CSA saying no would kill such arrangement. The examples you're talking about is where all parties are in agreement. Lately, the CSA is clearly moving slowly but surely away from it. The CSA no longer wants to be mixed with USSF leagues. NASL is gone, USL will be, PDL was almost purged from Ontario. Once CPL takes over D3, PDL will just be gone. NSWL won't have a team here as CPL plans for a women's league after the men side is established. That doesn't look like an associations who want to keep status quo.
There are about five open court cases in the US that have the USSF as a defendant. Fifa itself is the subject of an ongoing DOJ investigation. Its not above, Fifa, litigation. I think we give that organization, and the national associations more power than they actually have. No Fifa rule is ever going to trump a nation's laws, ever. Not in the US, Canada, or anywhere else. Enticing those teams to leave will be difficult. Getting them out of MLS, near impossible. MLS was founded by lawyers I'll venture a guess that the agreements are pretty well stacked against the CSA.
I don't know the answer so I can't answer. You keep ignoring what would CSA have to gain by such a move. Why would they kill the most successful DI Canadian teams? how is that going to help Canadian soccer? Vancouver, TFC and Montreal all existed in MLS before there was any talk of CPL. They have invested millions upon millions. It would be ridiculous for CSA to come in and now say you have to give all that up and deal with the madness and expense of separating from MLS just because we want you in our league that didn't exist before. Or you can't play soccer ever again.
MLS wouldn't have to sue Fifa. It would sue the CSA. Fifa also is not above the law, but it does have a method for resolving disputes via internal bodies and CAS.
No they can't, they'd be telling MLS that they aren't allowed in Canada. That's what happens if they lose their sanctioning to MLS. They don't cease to exist, but they can't play MLS games in Canada. Would MLS allow unsanctioned teams in its championship? Highly unlikely They can do what they want with MLS, but no official MLS games on Canadian soil without the CSA sanctioning. Also, even if they only played on US soil, FIFA wouldn't recognized them officially either. The CSA always held all the cards but had little leverage when CPL didn't exist. MLS was the only path. Now that it does exist, but now it can afford to get more demanding, which they already did under Montagliani when CPL was just a project. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/13/mls-canada-american-citizens Montagliani warns that unless a critical issue is addressed – that Canadian players are treated as equal to Americans under MLS rules – Soccer Canada may take sweeping and dramatic action to block Toronto FC, Montreal Impact and Vancouver Whitecaps from continuing to play in the league.
It doesn't exist yet. Just in name. They have yet to kick a ball or sign a player. The CPL exists just as much as the XFL does.
Because there's little to no results to show for it. That's why the CSA under Montagliani started to get unhappy. Our U teams heavily relying on MLS Academy actually got worse than pre-MLS and there has been no results at the senior level. Just like it isn't MLS job to care about the national program, it's not the CSA job to care about MLS accounting books. They only care about the results for the national program. The whole premises of allowing those teams in MLS was the belief that it would help, 10 years later, there has been no tangible results. That's why Vancouver (70s) and Montreal (90s) are older than MLS. Their investments predates that except for TFC. Speaking of which, public funds built that infrastructure...fyi. The city owns BMO Field, not TFC or MLSE. At the end of the day, the CSA will do what's best for Canadian Soccer and the Canadian program. Stunts like Vancouver and Montreal pull isn't helping their case in that regard. The CSA sanctioning to MLS isn't a right, but it's a privilege. Those 3 teams must do more and do better for the program. That's an undeniable fact otherwise, what's the point? That's where the CSA's thinking has been at since 2014 after missing Brazil
It's not violating the Canadian Competition Act, and those litigation you're talking about are apple and oranges to this case.
Agree to disagree. It's FIFA that came up with these rules, not the CSA so it ends up being a court challenge against FIFA. You might disagree and not like it, but the USSF have exactly the same rights. Why didn't MLS refute Montagliani's allegations? Where was the clubs or the USSF? The media, FIFA, anyone? No one refuted the threats because they were true. Associations have the last say on what goes on in their territories. I'd like to think that MLS have a very competent legal department. What you're talking about is implying that they weren't aware ahead of time that the CSA sanction was revocable and that those teams being in MLS was conditional to the CSA original and ongoing approval. Contracts were signed knowing all of this in advance. Pleading foul play because a party decides to exercise its right originally agreed upon gets thrown out of court. That's not how it works and I give MLS way to much credit to even entertained that they didn't know what they were getting themselves into. No one saw CPL & Montagliani coming prior to 2014, that's all. Rightfully so, MLS saw themselves like NHL, NBA and MLB in regards to their status in Canada. They had no reason to ever think that sanctioning would be an issue, ever. If CPL was already a thing in 2006, pretty sure MLS might have gotten a more restricted agreement with the CSA. As USL president confirmed, they didn't. Sanctioning of CSA members in US based league are awarded on a yearly basis, it's not irrevocable.
Dude? Public funds paid the expansion fee, paid for DP's, paid for travel, paid the coaching staff and front office staff, paid for training, paid for equipment, paid for academies and youth teams for the last 13 years???? First you say the teams are only worth their expansion fee...now you say the only money spent is the stadium. Stadium does not equal "infrastructure" for a professional sports team. Does the stadium put a jersey on and play games? Sure there were teams in Vancouver and Montreal before, but they moved to MLS before CPL was even a glint.
So what are you trying to say? The CSA should care more about how much money they make over the national program? Is that how the USSF works? The CSA is simply doing its job. We tried the MLS and clubs way and 10 it got us nowhere. Some would argue we got worse. How can you not expect the CSA to reevaluate everything? It's great that MLS and the clubs has made more money (Joey Saputo has yet to turn a profit since joining MLS) thanks to the CSA sanction. However, Montagliani asked a very important question, what's in it for Canadian soccer? What are the results? Between you and me, I don't think the CSA jumps to the extreme of revoking the sanction, but it will get tougher and more demanding regarding its expectations. There used to be Canadian quotas on MLS teams based in Canada. If CPL teams are to be subjected to that, perhaps it's time to go back to that for MLS teams as well. In 2009, Montreal Impact made it all the way to the Champions league semi-finals on a very heavy Canadian squad. They might be pressured to start winning/competing with more Canadians on their squads. I'm of the opinion that they have to earn said privileges
I find this thought of the 3 MLS teams moving to the CPL "in about a decade" to be interesting. MLS was nearly shuttered a decade into it's life. Many leagues have a big start, then slowly fade for a few years, and can even die in that time frame. But this league that is still a year from starting up is somehow going to catch up to MLS quality in 10 years. I really don't think Canada will have the financial strength to ever catch MLS, but I guess well see. They have a LONG way to go already, and the target is going to continue to move as much as they themselves try to grow to catch it.
Welp, I think this thread has reached its end. If you wish to discuss the CPL, you can do it in the CPL thread. If you wish to discuss whether Canadians should be treated as domestics in US clubs, or if Americans should continue to be treated as domestics in Canadian clubs, you can do so in the You be the Don forum.