Review: Croatian players in Yugoslavian national team - historic injustice

Notable players of Yugoslav national team (at least 15 caps):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavia_national_football_team

Croatia:

Bruno Belin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Belin
Rudolf Belin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Belin
Stjepan Bobek: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stjepan_Bobek
Ivan Buljan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Buljan
Zlatko Čajkovski:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zlatko_Čajkovski
Tomislav Crnković: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomislav_Crnković
Ivan Gajer: http://www.footballdatabase.eu/football.joueurs.ivan.gajer.122284.en.html
Franjo Glazer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franjo_Glazer
Ivan Gudelj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Gudelj
Ivan Horvat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivica_Horvat
Tomislav Ivković: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomislav_Ivković
Dražan Jerković: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dražan_Jerković
Jurica Jerković: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurica_Jerković
Mirko Kokotović: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirko_Kokotović
Gustav Lehner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Lehner
Vlatko Marković: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlatko_Marković

Vlatko Markovic is the current President of Croatian Football Federation, I would like to put his biography here:

Vladimir "Vlatko" Marković (born 1 January 1937 in Bugojno, Kingdom of Yugoslavia (now Bosnia and Herzegovina) is a former football player, football manager, and current president of Croatian Football Federation (as of 2007).
Marković was born in Bugojno on January 1, 1937. In 1945, his uncles died as part of the Croatian Armed Forces at Bleiburg. In SFRY, his father spent over 15 years in prison for possessing illegal firearm. He played for: Iskra (Bugojno), Čelik (Zenica), Dinamo (Zagreb), Wiener SC (Vienna). From 1958 until 1959 he played three matches for Yugoslavia national under-21 football team, and from 17 May 1961 until 30 September 1962 he played defense for Yugoslavia national football team and scored one own goal in 16 matches. He played in all matches on 1962 FIFA World Cup when Yugoslavia finished 4th. After he finished his playing career, he coached Zagreb (Zagreb), Standard de Liège (Liège), OGC Nice (Nice), Hajduk (Split) and Dinamo (Zagreb). With Dinamo he won Yugoslav Cup in 1980. He was elected president of Croatian Football Federation on 18 December 1999. He was reelected in 2002 and on 16 December 2006, again with unanimous support.

Anđelko Marušić: http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anđelko_Marušić
Frane Matošić: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frane_Matošić
Jozo Matošić: http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jozo_Matošić
Vladimir Beara: He represents himself as Croat, even though he is Serb. He was goalkeeper in Yugoslav NT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Beara

Marko Mlinarić: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marko_Mlinarić
Didn't seen him before, so he isn't on the list of scorers, he scored 1 goal for Yugoslav NT.

Dražen Mužinić: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dražen_Mužinić
Željko Perušić: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Željko_Perušić
Luka Peruzović: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luka_Peruzović
Danijel Premerl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danijel_Premerl
Robert Prosinečki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Prosinečki

Prosinecki during celebration with Crvena Zvezda, after they won European Cup in the year 1991: his mother is Serbian.



Petar Radaković: Some people say that he has Serbian heritage, not sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petar_Radaković
Josip Skoblar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josip_Skoblar
Franjo Šoštarić: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franjo_Šoštarić
Ivica Šurjak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivica_Šurjak
Bernard Vukas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Vukas
Zoran Vulić: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoran_Vulić
Velimir Zajec: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velimir_Zajec
Slaven Zambata: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaven_Zambata
Ante Žanetić: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ante_Žanetić
Branko Zebec: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branko_Zebec
Aleksandar Živković: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandar_Živković_(footballer_born_1912)

Wikipedia forgot about Franjo Wölfl.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franjo_Wölfl

National team:
1940–1944 Croatia 18 (13)
1938–1950 Yugoslavia 12 (6)

When he played for Yugoslavia, he hasn't been so much inspired.

Croats from Bosnia and Herzegovina:

Miroslav "Meho" Brozović: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miroslav_Brozović
Josip Bukal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josip_Bukal
Davor Jozić: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davor_Jozić
Blaž Slišković: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaž_Slišković
Franjo Vladić: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franjo_Vladić

Other players from Bosnia and Herzegovina:

Mirsad "Žvaka" Baljić - Bosniak Muslim
Mehmed Baždarević - Bosniak Muslim
Mirsad Fazlagić - Bosniak Muslim
Džemal Hadžiabdić - Bosniak Muslim
Faruk Hadžibegić - Bosniak Muslim
Vahid Halilhodžić - Bosniak Muslim
Enver Marić - Bosniak Muslim
Muhamed Mujić - Bosniak Muslim
Vahidin Musemić - Bosniak Muslim
Haris Škoro - Bosniak Muslim
Safet Sušić - Bosniak Muslim

Dušan Bajević - Serbian

Nicole Verdugo - probably Italian, maybe Jewish.

Wikipedia forgot about twin brothers Zoran and Zlatko Vujovic.

Zlatko Vujovic: 70 caps for Yugoslav NT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zlatko_Vujović

Zoran Vujovic: 34 caps for Yugoslav NT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoran_Vujović

They represent themselves as Bosnian Croats, but their heritage is probably Montenegrin.

Josip "Škijo" Katalinski - Unknown heritage, first name is Croatian, last name probably Polish or Ukrainian.
Ivica "Švabo" Osim - Unknown heritage, first name is Croatian, his nickname means German, Osim unknown heritage, declares himself as Bosnian.

Serbia:

Jovan "Kule" Aćimović
Milorad Arsenijević
Aleksandar Atanacković
Nenad Bjeković
Vladislav Bogićević
Vujadin Boškov
Zvezdan Čebinac
Ivan Ćurković
Predrag Đajić
Dragan Džajić
Vladimir Durković
Milan Galić
Svetislav Glišović
Milutin Ivković
Živorad Jevtić
Miodrag Jovanović
Bora Kostić
Dobrosav Krstić
Vojin Lazarević
Blagoje "Moša" Marjanović
Vojislav Melić
Jovan Miladinović
Miloš Milutinović
Rajko Mitić
Tihomir Ognjanov
Dragan Pantelić
Blagoje Paunović
Miroslav Pavlović
Ilija Pantelić - born in Bosnia, Serbian.
Aleksandar Petaković
Ilija Petković - born in Croatia, Serbian.
Ognjen "Olja" Petrović
Vladimir "Pižon" Petrović
Vladica Popović
Zdravko Rajkov
Spasoje Samardžić
Slobodan Santrač
Branislav Sekulić
Miloš Šestić
Milutin Šoškić
Ljubiša Spajić
Jovan Spasić
Predrag Spasić
Branko Stanković
Dragoslav Stepanović
Dragan "Piksi" Stojković
Nenad Stojković
Aleksandar Tirnanić
Velibor Vasović
Todor Veselinović
Đorđe Vujadinović
Dobrivoje Zečević

Other players from Serbia:

Fadil Vokrri - Albanian
Fahrudin Jusufi - Gorani Muslim people
Silvester Takač - Hungarian (Takacs)
Bernard Hügl - he represents himself as Croat, but I assume that he is of German heritage.
http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Hügl
Dragan Holcer - Slovenian father, Italian - Austrian mother.
Ivan Bek (Yvan Beck): German father, Czech mother, played for Kingdom of Yugoslavia from 1927–1931, after that he played for France from 1935–1937, he didn't wanted to play for Yugoslavia.

Slovenia:

Srečko Katanec - he is of Croatian heritage.
Maksimilijan Mihelčič
Branko Oblak
Danilo Popivoda - Serbian

Montenegro:

Dragoljub Brnović
Ljubomir Radanović
Dejan Savićević
Predrag Mijatović

Macedonia:

Darko Pančev
Dragoslav Šekularac - Serbian father, Macedonian mother, born in Macedonia.
Vujadin Stanojković - Serbian.

Another proof of high influence of Croats in Yugoslav national team and Croats didn't got nothing from that legacy.

 

Interesting question. When I look Croatian international footballers and their years for Croatian national team I see that some of them were in quite good shape, even though they weren't invited for Yugoslav national team.

Croatian coach on that World Cup 1990 would probably be Drazan Jerkovic, born in Dalmatia, he shared first position of top goalscorers on World Cup 1962, in CHILE. Ivica Osim for sure wouldn't become Croatian coach.

He had before Yugoslav aspirations, after that Pan Slavic, so that we all unite (western, eastern and southern Slavs). Also he said some silly ideas: "If Yugoslavia got this World Cup in Italy 1990, this title would prevent war in Yugoslavia".

Proof how silly he is is that match between Dinamo Zagreb and Crvena Zvezda (13.5.1990.), finished with chaotic violence between Serbs and Croats. And police demonstrated special brutality against Dinamo fans. That's why Zvonimir Boban kicked that police officer. Croats couldn't work in police forces. This police officer was Bosnian Muslim. That's why police had easy assignment to hit Croats.

World Cup started in June, that's why Osim became funny.

Drazan Jerkovic was our first coach 1990.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dražan_Jerković

He played and scored goals for Dinamo Zagreb (1954–1965) 142 caps, 96 goals. Even though he had nice accomplishment in Dinamo Zagreb he wasn't invited for Yugoslav NT often, because he was Croat, had dreams of Croatia as free country.

Best proof for his patriotism was his only match for Croatia NT in 1956. After World War II, Croatia vanished, but some players and football representatives still tried to play under Croatian NT, but it didn't work, Yugoslav Football Federation forbid that kind of patriotic gatherings.

He was born 1936, but he was Croatian coach from 1990-1992. His age wasn't on his side, but he tried to lead our team. He probably got that job, because of his great performances as player and his patriotism. Some people say that Croats in Yugoslav NT didn't played on high level in Chile 1962, some kind of protest against Belgrade and Yugoslavia. Croat Vlatko Markovic played with the hand in his 11m space. Now he is saying: "I tried to destroy Yugoslavia back than, when nobody couldn't even think about it". He probably wants to collect some points because of bad results in recent Croatian history. He is the president of Croatian Football Federation.

Other interesting coach could be Tomislav Ivic, he was also our coach in 90's, he won against vice-champions Italy in qualification group for EURO 1996 in Palermo. Italy always play delicate matches in southern Italy (Napoli, Palermo). I don't remember that but I think that Italy played against Argentina on World Cup in Napoli, when Maradona received a lot of "boos".

Tomislav Ivic had a great career as a coach.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomislav_Ivić

He coched Croatia from 1994, after World Cup 1994. We didn't participated in qualifications for WC 1994, because it was war. But we would probably enter on that World Cup.

Two attackers would be interesting for Croat NT 1990.

Zlatko Kranjcar and Marko Mlinaric. They were also big patriots during Yugoslavia, they also didn't had big role in Yugoslav NT.

They both played for Croatian NT 1990, even though they were on sunset of their careers, but they could play.

Zlatko Kranjcar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zlatko_Kranjčar

He had a legendary status in Dinamo Zagreb. Played 261 match and scored 96 goals. Than he became legend in Rapid Vienna, he played 201 match and scored 101 goal.

But these results didn't good enough for Yugoslav NT. He played only 11 matches and scored 3 goals. How interesting. There were many situations when some players were banned in Yugoslav NT, because of their anti-Yugoslav aspects.

Marko Mlinaric played 227 matches for Dinamo Zagreb and he scored 37 goals. He was midfielder. He played also in Auxerre and Cannes, had 48 and 47 caps. But for Yugoslav NT he played only 17 matches. It was obvious that Serbian players were always favorites.

Before World Cup 1930. Croats boycotted Yugoslav Football Federation because Serbs changed the city for their headquarters. First headquarters was in Zagreb, after that Serbs couldn't stand that and they transfer Yugoslav headquarters in Belgrade. That's why Yugoslav NT had only one non-Serbian player 1930. It was our first World Cup and even back than we couldn't agree about anything. After this World Cup we could see many dirty games. Non-inviting of some good players later was common rule in Yugoslavia. Also Bosniak Muslims weren't desirable in Yugoslavia, Serbs called them Turks, no matter where were they born. Albanians were specially expelled, they couldn't speak Albanian and they laughed them how they speak Serbo-Croatian.

On goal Croatia would probably have Tomislav Ivkovic, other two goalkeepers would be Drazen Ladic and Tonci Gabric.

In defense Croatia would have Nikola Jerkan, he played 201 match for Real Oviedo, for Croatia he started in 1992., but maybe we would find him two years earlier. Zoran Vulic would be also, Igor Stimac played form 1990., he would probably be invited in Italy 1990.

Andrej Paadic retired 1990. He had 42 years, he would have maybe his last matches for Croatia, he never played for Croatia.

Back than Croatia played 3-5-2 formation, that was our invention, only teams from Balkan played like that. That's why we have problems with 4-4-2. To much players in defense. With five of them in middle everything would be better, that's why teams from Balkan don't have results like before, we all accepted modern football aspects.

On EURO 2004 it was horrible for us, we played with 7 defenders. That's why England won against us 4-2.

Robert Jarni would play in midfield, on that left position, near of outline.

Robert Prosinecki didn't had invitations until 1994., because he played in Crvena Zvezda during the war. Also Miroslav Blazevic kicked him from Dinamo Zagreb because he had Serbian heritage (his mother). Back than it was unpopular to have Serbian or half-Serbian in our team. Same was with Croats in Serbian team. That's why Sinisa Mihajlovic was the loudest Serbian player against Croatia. He needed to show his loyalty to Serbia, Serbian people, Serbian football. He said some mean things against Croats, even though his mother is Croatian. They all left in Belgrade. Also he had very bad relations with Igor Stimac.

1991. was the last Yugoslav Cup, called Marshall Tito Cup. Hajduk Splt and Crvena Zvezda played in that finals. Igor Stimac and Sinisa Mihajlovic were key persons for violence back than. Hajduk won that cup, in the same year Crvena Zvezda won European Cup (later Champions League).

Yugoslav Cup: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Cup

It was hard for Croatian clubs to get titles in Yugoslavia, especially national trophy, everything was pushed so that Serbian clubs get these trophies. Cup matches weren't so much important. Also Hajduk took that trophy forever. The custom was that trophies stay i Belgrade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990–91_Yugoslav_Cup

As Croatia seceded from Yugoslavia, Hajduk's Igor Štimac said, "This trophy will forever stay with us, because I believe that the Cup of Yugoslavia will never be played again."

Sinia Mihajlovic and Igor Stimac got red cards than. It wasn't just ordinary match. Prosinecki played for Crvena Zvezda in that cup.

That's why he wasn't invited in Croatia NT, because it was delicate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Prosinečki

He played for Real Madrid since 1991. But he wasn't good for Croatia.

"His father Đuro was Croatian, hailing from Gornji Čemehovec village near Kraljevec na Sutli, and his mother Emilija Đoković is Serbian, originally from Ježevica village near Čačak."

His mother had same surname like tennis player Dokovic.

Dinamo Zagreb: After moving up the youth ranks for years, Prosinečki started getting occasional first team appearances during the 1986–87 league season under head coach Miroslav Blažević. On his league debut versus FK Željezničar, he managed to score a goal. By the end of the season, he recorded one more league appearance.
Wanting to secure his son's financial future, Prosinečki's father Đuro started pushing within club hierarchy for a professional contract to be given to his 18-year-old son.

Crvena Zvezda: In the summer of 1987 Đuro Prosinečki took Robert over to Belgrade and got the professional contract they were after. Dragan Džajić, Red Star's then football director, remembers the transfer as follows:
“On one of our visits to Zagreb we stayed at Hotel Esplanade where I got approached by a man who introduced himself as Robert Prosinečki's uncle. He told me his nephew wasn't happy at Dinamo and asked me if we could arrange a tryout. I told them to come to Belgrade in a couple of days and they did. At the tryout I saw this kid do wonders with the ball and I immediately asked our head coach Velibor Vasović to schedule an afternoon practice session at the main stadium so that I could see the kid one more time. It was obvious we had a classy player on our hands, and I initiated the contract proceedings right away. Our lawyer informed us that we wouldn't have to pay a transfer fee to Dinamo so Robert's father Đuro and I agreed everything in five minutes."

Miroslav Blazevic didn't liked him at all. He even didn't played in semifinals against France 1998, he would rather keep injured Boban who made a mistake and Thuram scored, than to have healthy and good player.

Robert Prosinecki also had problems with contract in Croatia Zagreb, that's also Dinamo Zagreb. He applied accusations against Dinamo Zagreb, so that they pay him the money that he earned in Croatia Zagreb. But court said to him: "Ask managers of Croatia Zagreb". But Croatia didn't existed anymore.

Today, Prosinecki is also object of hate in Croatia, because he is coaching Crvena Zvezda. His last name is now Decembarski.

Prosinecki - means Prosinac (December). Prosinac is Croatian name for December.

Decembar - Serbian word for December. Now he became Serbian Decembarski.

I think that he got permanent close doors in Croatia for any coaching career. But I understand him. He was assistant coach for Croatia, he saw that bad results are arriving. He needed to leave. He didn't earn so much money like players earn now. Also he has problems with health, he didn't told what he has. But he spend in hospital some time, speculations are heart problems.

Medical treatments are expensive, he didn't earned a lot in Croatian team. Salaries are much lower in any national team. Because of this I understand him. But people are saying:"There are thousands clubs in the world and he needed to chose Zvezda."

Also on that picture above he lifted three fingers. That's pure Serbian salute.
Because Orthodox saints gave blessings with three fingers, also Jesus is drawn with three fingers lifted a bit.

Serbian soldiers used these three fingers in Croatian war. Also they liked to cut three fingers from their Croat victims. That's why three fingers aren't accepted in Croatia. Croats use two fingers (Victoria), victory. Serbians also hate two fingers. Complicated?

In defense would also play Slaven Bilic. He started to play for Croatia since 1992.

Zvonimir Boban would enter in midfield. Prosinecki probably wouldn't play for Croatia on that World Cup. He left in Crvena Zvezda 1987. and played until 1991.

Hatred against some players isn't unusual in Europe. Also in South America. I read here that Claudio Caniggia is enemy for River Plate fans.

Sol Campbell changed his club. Tottenham fans will never forgive him for signing up for Arsenal. Also Luis Figo is object of hate in Barcelona. Figo hates Real Madrid, don't know why, something went wrong. And these clubs are from the same country, except Barcelona and Madrid.

Aljosa Asanovic would play for Croatia, even though he isn't Croatian, but he was the loudest "Croat" during 90's, same as Sinisa Mihajlovic for Serbia.

Asanovic got nickname "fiery elbow", because his elbow would some how always finish in opponents face.

BTW, this is the list of Croatian footballers, you can see their year when they entered in Croatian NT. From here I am searching information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Croatia_international_footballers

Boksic would enter as a attacker. Maybe Igor Cvitanovic, he is best goalscorer of Croatian league ever. But Miroslav Blazevic kicked him out from NT few days before World Cup 1998 in France.
Don't know why. He is Croat. Maybe he hides his other heritage very good.

Dubravko Pavlicic would enter as defender probably. He started to play for Croatia NT in 1992.

Mladen Mladenovic would probably enter in midfield. He started to play for Croatia NT in year 1990. I don't remember Pavlicic and Mladenovic so good. Couldn't even recognize them without looking their pictures online. I was to young in early 90's.

Nikola Jurcevic would be in first team for sure, he started to play 1990.

Davor Suker would enter in our team. Others came later; like Zvonimir Soldo, Robert Prosinecki, Mario Stanic, Serbian Milan Rapaic, Albanian Ardian Kozniku,

Since 1990 - autmn 1994 Croatia played only friendly matches, it was search time for Croatian NT, who to invite, which players we do have, etc.

Here is the list of all players that participated in Croatian NT since 1990 until today.

http://www.hns-cff.hr/?ln=hr&w=statistike

Maybe Stjepan Andrijasevic would enter, Ivan Cvjetkovic, but they were older. Had cca 30 years in 1990.

Some friendly matches that we had in early 90's.

17.10.1990., Zagreb, Croatia - USA 2-1, scorers were Asanovic and Cvjetkovic. We chose USA because of political motives, so that we can demonstrate that we belong to the western culture and not to Yugoslav or Soviet Union. Yugoslavia was puppet state of Soviet Union, like all countries behind Iron curtain (Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine...).

22.12.1990., Rijeka, Croatia - Romania 2-0, scorers were Srecko Bogdan and Zlatko Kranjcar. They could also be members of Croatian NT in Italy.

19.06.1991., Murska Sobota, slovenia - Croatia 0-1, scorer was Komljenovic, but he was of Serbian heritage, he didn't had big role in Croatia, played only 2,3 matches maybe.

Lineup against USA:

Dražen Ladić (gk) 80'
Zoran Vulić
Darko Dražić
Drago Čelić
Vlado Kasalo
Saša Peršon 71'
Albanian Kujtim Shalla 40'
Zlatko Kranjčar (c)
Ivan Cvjetković 33'
Aljoša Asanović 58' 29'
Marko Mlinarić

Substitutes Zamjene Strijelci Kartoni
Tonči Gabrić (gk) 80'
Gregor Židan 71'
Mladen Mladenović 58'

Coach
Dražan Jerković

They were older, don't remember them at all:

Darko Dražić
Drago Čelić
Vlado Kasalo
Saša Peršon

Also Croatian NT had a Australian tour in Melbourne, Adelaide, Sydney, for Croatian diaspora, who left from Croatia because of political and economical reasons. Three friendly matches against Australia.

They won in two matches, but this wasn't priority. One was tie in Sydney. The priority was to demonstrate unity between all Croats.

05.07.1992., Australija, Melbourne, Croatian lineup:

http://www.hns-cff.hr/?ln=hr&w=statistike&d=utakmica&id=25799

08.07.1992., Australija, Adelaide, Croatian lineup:

http://www.hns-cff.hr/?ln=hr&w=statistike&d=utakmica&id=25800

12.07.1992., Australija, Sydney, Croatian lineup:

http://www.hns-cff.hr/?ln=hr&w=statistike&d=utakmica&id=25801

All matches were planned politically. Croatian diaspora couldn't represent as Croats, they needed to say Yugoslavs, even in diaspora, thousands miles from Yugoslavia. That's why we have many lost people abroad, who don't have Croatian identity, but we have around 4,5 millions abroad who have Croatian identity. Many people came as Austrians outside of Croatia.

But Croatia tries to awake them through schools, Catholic missions, many cultural societies visit them so that they can see their customs, heritage, poetry, music.

We have now many radio stations, some TV stations, Voice of America is having news on 44 languages. One of them is Croatian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_America

We have many Croatian social clubs, football clubs outside of Croatia, festivals, websites. It's hard, but it's effective so that everyone knows where do they belong. It's sad when Croats declare themselves as Yugoslavs. Many people have that identity outside.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavs

Regions with significant Yugoslav populations
United States 328,547 (2000)
Bosnia and Herzegovina 242,682 (1991) Serbs and Muslims, because Croats had status as refugees in Bosnia, peace was only in Western Herzegovina.
Switzerland 172,657 (1991)
Serbia 80,721 (2002)
Canada 65,305 (2006)
Montenegro 1,860 (2003)
Slovenia 527 (2002)
Croatia 176 (2001)

These Yugoslavs could be from any of ex republics. Hard to tell from where are the. But at least Croatia and Slovenia don't have that heritage. Only 176 people in Croatia. But I assume that Yugoslavs of Croatia almost don't exist, maybe some groups. I found this on one web in bottom.

Croats founded Chilean city Porvenir.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porvenir,_Chile

But on one website I found this: American Yugo-Croats
http://hr.metapedia.org/wiki/Američki_Jugo-Hrvati

"American Yugoslav-Croats (Croatian emigrants supporting Yugoslavia): The majority of Croatian emigrants in both Americas during the WW2, and also during the recent Yugoslavia's disaster were anti-communist, politically and otherwise supporting the autonomous Croatia against the united Yugoslavia. However, in Americas existed also some emigrant groups of Croatian descent supporting Yugoslavia against Croatia, e.g. in San Diego, Montevideo, and Rio de Janeiro. The most curious example is Porvenir in Fireland once founded by Croats: there persisted in Porvenir even nowadays a strong nostalgic support for yet unexisting Yugoslavia, including its public monuments, inscriptions, declarations, feasts, and flags in the honour of former Yugoslavia."

Do they really have monuments, inscriptions, declarations, feasts, and flags in Porvenir?

Winter probably hit them there. This was funny, to celebrate of non-existing state and their customs. Centrifugal brain washing.

Liliana Kusanovic es alguien importante en Porvenir. She declares herselfas Yugoslavian. In Punta Arenas and other Chilean cities, Croats were pro-Croatia, against Yugoslavia.

Liliana Kusanovic: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liliana_Kusanovic

But these in Porvenir came in 19th century, as Dalmatians who wanted autonomy of Dalmatia back than. During WW2, they were Nazi worshipers and after that they worshiped Yugoslavia. How weird.

In downtown of Porvenir exists Parque Yugoslavo (Yugoslav Park). Also there is one monument that remind on rounded mine with horns. They celebrate Yugoslav holidays with Yugoslav flags. Conclusion is that Porvenir is the last bastion of Yugoslav country that still worships that artificial state.

During the recent war, they were for Yugoslavia, not for Croatia. Very weird. First they wanted Dalmatian autonomy, than they worshiped Nazi, after that they liked Yugoslavia.

In Montevideo there are 3400 people, who declare themselves as Croats. Country with smallest population i South America. Some of them also decalred themselves as Yugoslavos. During WW2, they helped to Tito and Partisans.
But their number is less than this census above. Yugoslavs from Uruguay aren't so big. USA and Canada are biggest states with Yugoslav population: that could also be Serbs, Bosniak Muslims, because many of them live in Bosnia and Serbia.

Also San Pedro in California and Rio de Janeiro have some Yugoslavs. But majority declares them as Croats. Visible on that list with Yugoslav population.

 

You think that Serbia needs to get all results? I think that it's fair that these results stay like legacy, so that no one from these today's states gets these titles.

For me, as a person Yugoslav results doesn't mean nothing, because my people were always inferior.

Croatian poet Miroslav Krleza said once: "God, save me of Serbian heroism", that means that they don't have nothing heroic in their history.

Croats have other problems, we have regional antagonism, Serbs are united, south and north is one.

Croat players were thrown out during Yugoslavia, 1930. they were all thrown out, because Croats boycotted new Yugoslav headquarters. They transfer Yugoslav Football Federation from Zagreb to Belgrade. Croatian federation was the oldest in Yugoslavia and Serbs couldn't stand these maybe 10 years of difference.

Croat patriots were thrown out from Yugoslav team, they played mayb 10, 15 matches. This is very easy to see and to discover. Watch their club careers abroad. They had there many caps and goals and yet they wasn't good for national team.

Just look biographies of Croatian players. They always pushed Serbian players and with all these push ups still Croats make a nice contribution to Yugoslav football.

Serbs always had manipulation like this: "We should invite 7,8 Serbs, 5,6 Croats", just so that they can be in majority. But on every competition except that World Cup 1930, Croats had really great influence.

Just look their caps, who is the top scorer of Yugoslav NT after 1945? Stjepan Bobek.

Kingdom of Yugoslavia played matches, but you can't include them because they played before 1930 and they played several years after 1930. Kingdom of Yugoslavia ended 1941.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_First_League

"The Yugoslav First League (Serbo-Croat: Prva Liga, Пpвa Лигa) was the premier football league in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia (1918–1941) and socialist Yugoslavia (1945–1991)."

Every wonderful player that you find and if you see that he participated for the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, you can include him only if he scored goals after 1930., before there were only friendly matches I think.

Croats have great football tradition, that was my intention here to prove.

I have one question for you. Why Yugoslavia didn't ever won any title, on World Cups and EUROS?

Because there were always political games. Games about inviting players. Dirty games in Yugoslav national league. Champions were always Partizan or Crvena Zvezda.

They couldn't set up Yugoslav Championship in 1982, because Dinamo Zagreb was to good. They tried everything so that Serbs get all titles.

Every match between Serbian and Croatian clubs were matter life or death. They didn't had violence on stadiums, but it was always turbulent.

Croats and others left 1991., but before they wanted to play. Why not? Good chance for better career abroad if you were national team player.

These 50 US states are US states, they all have US constitution, same flag, national anthem. Serbians invented silly artificial language Serbo-Croat, they took one Slovakian song for Yugoslav national anthem.

USA tries that all states live good. Serbia tried only that Serbia lives good, even though Croatia and Slovenia were the richest countries.

Yugoslav king who was Serbian supported guerrilla soldiers whos name was Chetnik movement, they founded that movement way before WW2., 1904. I think. They always tried to establish Great Serbia.

Does Florida or Texas wants to establish "Great Florida" or "Great Texas" in USA?

Do they transfer people by force so that you can find people from Florida or Texas in California or in Nevada? They change residence, but not by force.

Serbs knew that Croatia and Bosnia and Herzeogovina has non-Serbian residents. That's why they were scared of possible rebels during Yugoslavia. That's why they transfer Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina. These new residents started recent war in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina, they couldn't accept Croatia, as free country, that's why they founded Republika Srpska in Bosnia and East Herzegovina, that's why they wanted to found SAO Krajina in Croatian region Lika and some parts of Slavonia.

This Republika Srpska isn't accepted at all. Have you seen her in any of qualifications for World Cups and EUROS? UN doesn't accept them, because that republic was found on crime and ethnic cleansing of Croats and Muslims.

They planned that since Kingdom of Yugoslavia, since 1918. Serbian Gavrilo Princip killed Austrian Archduke, because Austrians knew that Serbs are clueless in making decisions. Serbs couldn't accept that they can't rule.

Now they are all alone, lost every region that they wanted; they lost Croatia, Montenegro, Kosovo, Slovenia, Macedonia, Croatian parts of Herzegovina, Republika Srpska isn't accepted internationally. Soon they will lose Vojvodina, region in north, who has their autonomy. Hungarians and Croats can't stand Serbian government.

After every war Serbia is becoming smaller and poorer and yet they always provoke first every conflict. They can't attack Croatia anymore, because Croatia is in NATO. Serbia doesn't want enter in NATO, because NATO attacked Serbia.

For Portugal play all Portuguese people, with some people from colonies.
For Yugoslavia played Croats, Serbs, Slovenes, Macedonians, Albanians, Muslims from Bosnia and Herzegovina.

When I see: Luis Figo, Rui Costa, Hugo Almeida, Joao Pinto, Nuno Gomes, Maniche, Conetrao I see one nation.

When I see: Zlatko Kranjcar, Vahid Halilhodzic, Fadil Vokrri, Dejan Savicevic, or Bora Milutinovic I see several nations.

These nations have different letter: Latin and Cyrillic. I don't know Serbian, Montenegrin, Macedonian Cyrillic letter.

I don't understand Macedonian or Slovene. I understand, but I have troubles. I don't understand all Turkish words that Bosnian Muslims use.

How can I belong to these people by heritage? I even have problems in writing Halilhodzic, need to spell a little in my head.

I don't know about Orthodox religion and Islam.

Portugal has Catholic majority. You are mixing terms here. My advice to you is that you learn heritage of these Yugoslav nations.

Yugoslavia had invented Serbo-Croat letter, that was invented from Serbian self-thought linguist Vuk Karadzic, he doesn't have university degree in linguistics.

Yugoslavia had two letters: Latin and Cyrillic.

Yugoslavia had three religions: Catholicism, Islam and Orthodox.

Catholicism and Islam were pressured, they tried to bring atheism in every home, but Orthodox religion was acceptable.

Portugal national team isn't similar at all.

What if whole EU would have their own national team, with capital in London.

Goalkeeper: Victor Valdes
Defense: Abidal, Rio Ferdinand, Mertesacker, Djourou
Midfield: Joe Cole, Frank Lampard, Gerrard, Carrick
Attack: Klasnic, Villa

I think that we could see here may protests about choosing the players? Or not? EU region Spain would be happy without Iniesta and Xavi.

Same thing happened in Yugoslavia.

For example look UK, Scotland will be away soon. You have problems in Belgium, their Parliament stopped working for some time.

Yugoslav achievments are past, I agree, but Serbia has these results as their presence.

Serbia didn't even try to negotiate with other republics, they arranged that with FIFA and UEFA. Others left because they were in the war.

Why did everyone want to leave if they all had only good fruits in Yugoslavia and Soviet Union?

 

Every team has three goalkeepers. I only know about these three. I don't remember Ivkovic as goalkeeper, but he was probably good. There was one goalkeeper later: Marijan Mrmic, but he was even later third goalkeeper. It's hard for me to chose, because I never watched some of these players:

Ivkovic, Panadic, Pavlicic, Bogdan, Drazic, Celic, Kasalo, Person.
Mladenovic, Andrijasevic, Komljenovic, Shalla.
Kranjcar, Mlinaric, Kozniku, Cvjetkovic.

But when I look biographies go these players outside of Croatia, I can see this:

Andrej Panadić:
In 1990, he played for Dinamo. First two seasons were good, scored seven goals as defender, but this third season 1990./1991. he played only 18 matches and didn't scored. In first season he played 28 matches, in second he played 30. That's obvious fall of shape I think. Than DinamoZagreb changed the name into HAŠK Građanski (H-Croatian, A-Academic, Š-Sports, K-club, Građanski - of citizens, like City probably). Panadic played here 1992 20 matches. Than Dinamo again changed his name into Croatia Zagreb. That was season 1992./1993., he played 29 and 23 in first two seasons and scored 7 goals in these two seasons. But in that 1990. he wasn't in good shape. Something is interesting here, he never played for Croatian NT, even though he had a nice career in HSV. He had 21 year in 1990. Really strange, maybe he didn't want to play for Croatia, maybe he is Serbian, who knows. But strange, here is his bio, last name Panadic isn't common for someone who was born in Zagreb. Maybe his parents moved from somewhere, but Panadic doesn't sound like Zagreb last name, true Zagreb names finalize with -ec, -ek, last names that finalize on -ic, aren't common Zagreb surnames: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrej_Panadić

Found one photo of Robert Jarni team Real Madrid: he is with the captain.



Another interesting video: Suker, Jarni and Boksic on the Yugoslav NT. Interesting, all three Croats.

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Also I found one formation, ideal players of all U-21 European Championships. These years are the years in which they played for U-21 team. I don't only know Mark Hateley, but it's visible how important is invest in younger selections. Name of countries are in Croatian, but you will probably know them. These players I remember as great players after. Jarni was considered as one of best players on that left position, with Paolo Maldini and Roberto Carlos.

Gianluigi Buffon (Italija, 1996.) – Branislav Ivanović (Srbija, 2007.), Laurent Blanc (Francuska, 1988.), Fabio Cannavaro (Italija, 1994., 1996.), Robert Jarni (Jugoslavija, 1990.) – Roberto Donadoni (Italija, 1986.), Andrea Pirlo (Italija, 2000.), Mesut Özil (Njemačka, 2009.), Luis Figo (Portugal, 1994.) – Klaas-Jan Huntelaar (Nizozemska, 2006.), Mark Hateley (Engleska, 1984.)

Also I don't remember Vulic as player, but I remember him as great coach of Hajduk Split, he is their legend, as person he was great, temperament, big authority. Just because of that I would put him as top player in Croatian team. He and Stimac would be very authoritative players. Stimac won in England title of most charismatic person in that season, I think in West Ham.

About Pavlicic I know that he played on World Cup in Chile 1987, youth selection, U-21.

Srecko Bogdan, I don't know. He had 33 years in 1990. But in his biography it's visible that he had great status in Karlsruher. Played 245 matches and scored 21 goal. Also he was legend of Dinamo Zagreb, he played 262 matches and scored 34 goals. He went in Karlsruher in year 1985, can't remember him at all. But I would put him here. As person he is calm, nice nature, he wasn't good as a coach, changed a lot of clubs.

Darko Drazic from Novi Travnik. He had good club career, but played only 2 matches for Croatia, even though he had 27 years in 1990. Legend of Hajduk, 127 matches, payed in Fortuna Dusseldorf, Germany. Haven't heard much about that club, heard about the city.
Dražić became the coach of NK GOŠK Gabela in 2011 but was resigned after was selected as assistant manager of Iran Pro League side Mes Kerman by Miroslav Blažević.

They are both from Novi Travnik. Nice Croatian "cousin" assistance.

Sasa Person had an average career, changed few clubs in Croatia and one adventure in Cannes. probably enjoyed more in Cannes film Festival, than on French stadiums. He played only 19 matches abroad.

Vlado Kasalo also average career.

"After representing NK Osijek and NK Dinamo Zagreb in his country, Kasalo was sold by the latter to Germany's 1. FC Nuremberg, for 1 million Deutsche Mark. In his second season, he infamously scored two consecutive own goals in as many matches; on 16 March 1991, at VfB Stuttgart (0–1) and on 23 March, against Karlsruher SC (0–2). He was suspected to have done that on purpose to pay off his gambling debts".

I wouldn't invite him.

Mladen Mladenovic - his surname sounds Serbian, don't know, he had nice career abroad. I would call him. Played 19 matches fro Croatia NT

Stjepan Andrijasevic had a nice career abroad: Monaco, Celta Vigo, Rayo Vallecano. I would call him.

Fabijan Komljenovic, his last name sounds like Serbian. He didn't had good career abroad. I wouldn't invite him. While playing for Rijeka, he was nicknamed the Caniggia from Kantrida. Played only one match for Croatia.

Albanian Kujtim Shalla, had a nice career in Germany. I would call him maybe. he played only one match for Croatia. These players that I don't know, they played maybe 2,3 matches for Croatia. Kujtim coached Kosovo NT. Also Kujtim has a son who said this:
"In an interview for the Albanian newspaper SportiShqiptar, Andis announced that his dream is to play for the Albanian National Team, and he swore that if he never got called for the Albanian Squad, that he would not play for any other country."

Probably his father didn't liked Croatia to much, that's why he didn't played for Croatia. Kujtim Shalla would on the bench most of the time.

Ivan Cvjetkovic, nickname Tarzan. I would call him despite of his average career abroad.

Albanian Ardian Kozniku had a nice career, I would call him.

Also I would call striker Stjepan Deveric: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stjepan_Deverić

Deveric would have 29 years in 1990, he was pressured in Yugoslav NT, played only 6 matches. Legend of Dinamo Zagreb, had a nice career in Hajduk Split. I would call him.

Coach would be Miroslav Blazevic or Tomislav Ivic. Tomislav Ivic is the best Croatian coach on club level, he trained Porto, Marseille, PSV. Miroslav Blazevic was excellent motivator, very authoritative, they didn't had ideal relations, as I can remember. I would try with Tomislav Ivic, he won in Palermo against Italy 1994. Mirko Jozic didn't had luck 2002, he was coach who had generation changes, not easy for him, he was lost there.

Also one coach that I consider as good Otto Baric, or Otto Maximale. Austrian Croat. Had a nice career, wise guy, but he has some nice ideas in football, even though he played with 6,7 defenders on EURO 2004. That helped him a lot to resign after defeat against England 4-2. He has Austrian analyze, not modern type of coach, but he had Croatian mentality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Barić

These 22 players I consider as quality for Croatia NT on World Cup 1990.
Formation would be 3-5-2.

Goalkeepers: Ivkovic, Ladic, Gabric
Defensve players: Jerkan, Vulic, Stimac, Bilic, Bogdan, Pavlicic.
Midfield: Jarni, Asanovic, Boban, Prosinecki, Soldo, Andrijasevic, Mladenovic.
Attackers: Boksic, Suker, Kranjcar, Mlinaric, Jurcevic, Kozniku

Starting lineup:
---------------Ivkovic---------------
---------Vulic, Stimac, Jerkan--------
Bilic, Boban, Asanovic, Prosinecki, Jarni
-----------Suker, Kranjcar------------

Miroslav Blazevic had statments that Prosinecki, Boban, Asanovic can't play together in midfield. because they aren't defensive at all, but I would disagree because Boban is perfect defensive midfielder and also creator, same role has Asanovic. I think that he said that so that he had an excuse for not playing with Prosinecki. They didn't liked at all in early 90's.

Maybe Provenir isn't oriented as Yugoslav city, or place, because they have Croatian Park instead of Parque Yugoslavo. Interesting question for them: "If Yugoslavia was so great country, promised land and their leader Tito was charismatic figure, why did theyleft from warm Dalmatia in very cold Provenir, to work some of the hardest jobs?"

Provenir means "stop by"? These words are popular among friends in Croatia, invitation to a friend to stop by soon. But between older population. Maybe this article is written so that Yugoslav people become unpopular, also I didn't saw in biography of Liliana Kusanovic her Yugoslav orientation, but also now Croatian: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liliana_Kusanovic

Someone wrote here, that she is Croat: http://blog.budowebs.net/liliana-kusanovic-es-la-nueva-intendente-de-magallanes/

Croatian origins:
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People from Argentina and Chile who have Croatian heritage:

Argentinos de origen croata, Chilenos de origen croata: Néstor Kirchner, Alejandro Goic, Julio Milostich, Javier Frana, Tonka Tomicic, José María Buljubasich, Carlos Mladinic, Esteban Tomic, Nicolás Peric, Baldo Prokurica, Edmundo Pérez Zujovic, Iván Morovic, Antonio Vodanovic, Yerko Ljubetic, Blas Tomic, Daniel Orsanic, Jorge Sobisch, Sandra Mihanovich, Radomiro Tomic, Ramón Díaz Eterovic, Daniel Bilos, Martín Zilic, Iván Izquierdo, Carolina Goic, Lily Garafulic, Ingrid Antonijevic, Luka Tudor, Igor Garafulic, Francisco Tomic, Marcos Milinkovic, Alejandro Jadresic, Guillermo Luksic, Liliana Kusanovic, Mateo Martinic, Eric Goles, Inmigración croata en Chile, Darío Cvitanich, Lita Stantic, Sergio Vodanović, Pedro Vuskovic, Roy Nikisch, Nicolás Pavlovich, Estanislao Esteban Karlic, Pascual Baburizza, Cedomil Goic, Mauricio Pesutic, Carolina Arregui, Boris Garafulic, Emilio Ogñénovich, Andrés Morales, Pedro Pavlovic, Andrónico Luksic Abaroa, Leonor Oyarzún, Eugenio Mimica Barassi, Iván Gabrich, Luis Advis, Zarko Luksic, Yerko Darlic, Alicia Kirchner, José Luis Busaniche, Roque Esteban Scarpa, Leonardo Pisculichi, Jorge Cepernic, Marko Biskupovic, Ante Garmaz, Antonio Vodanovic Haklicka, Familia Luksic, Alejandro Spajić, Antonio Rendic, Santiago Pavlovic, Jaime Lopresti, Hernán Vodanovic, Oscar Ivanissevich, Ricardo Supisiche. Extracto: Néstor Carlos Kirchner.

Some of them changed their last names, like Busaniche (Busanić), Ivanissevich (Ivanišević), Nikisch (probably Nikić), Sobisch (probably Sobić), Baburizza (Baburica for sure, similar like Prokurica), Buljubasich (Buljubašić), Pisculichi (Piškulić), Ogñénovich (this surname sounds more like Serbian Ognjenović, but if he says, but Serbian people didn't come in South America so much.) People from Croatia came in South America, only because of political reasons, because South America countries had softer policy of immigration.

Last names with -ic, are always ić.
Last names with -vich, are vić. (Mihanović).

Serbian diaspora: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_diaspora

Brazil 3,210 (2001).
Chile 25 (2008).

In Chile they could make one football team with substitutes.

Another proof of Serbian pressure against Croats. You will probably always find Croats from space of ex-Yugoslavia. Serbs went abroad because of economical reasons. They chose that kind type of countries (Germany, USA, Switzerland...)

There are currently more than 3.5 million Serbs in diaspora throughout the world (those that are not constitutional peoples; like in Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia and Herzegovina in this case).

Serbia today has around 7,276,195 of people, their diaspora is much less than Croatian. With mostly political peace in Serbia they could become one of the riches countries in Balkans. They didn't had war, Serbian cities wasn't destroyed at all. They entered in Croatia to help Serbian rebels in Croatia who founded Log Revolution on Croatian highways, they destroyed Croatian tourism in that year.

Croatian diaspora: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_diaspora

About four million Croats live in Croatia. The largest community outside of Croatia are the Croats of Bosnia and Herzegovina, one of the constitutive nations of that country, amounting to about 650,000.
The Croatian diaspora outside of Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina amounts to close to a million elsewhere in Europe, and to about 1.5 million overseas. The largest overseas community is reported from the United States, with about 450,000 members. In Western Europe, the largest group is found in Germany. The German census reports 228,000 Croats in Germany as of 2006, but estimates of the total number of people with direct Croatian ancestry (including naturalized German citizens) range as high as 450,000.

Interesting, Croatia was always the richest republic, we can only face mostly with political reasons for leaving Croatia.

Croatia has around 4 million people in Croatia and around 4,5 million abroad.

 

I remember Bilic as RB, from France, he is more defensive. Krunoslav Jurcic played ina France that defensive midfielder. Jarni, Boban and Suker are the best from Croatian team, cant find better triangle. We also have now similar type of players: Rakitic, Ilicevic, Modric, but they are injured or coach doesnt like them. Rakitic and Ilicevic were born in Switzerland and Germany, BIlic forces his players from national league, who pays enough from future transfers, they will play. Diaspora players are independent, they have good careers abroad, never played in Croatian national league. Silly, we are destroying ourselves. Today is the match against Israel, hope to see nice match and Croatian victory.

Veo ahora video Chile-Espana, buneas acciones de chilenos. Primer gol, numero 4, como el escapo rapido. Solo ese 11 metro fue mala suerte.

 

Couldnt recognize him, video was fast. Spain needs to win, European teams are well protected. In Europe Spain, Italy, Germany, England, France are protected. All World Cup trophy holders.

Referees had several bad decions against Croatia:

EURO 1996 - Croatia - Germany 1-2, Markus Babbel did a visible foul, he pushed our player, we all thought that referee will whistle and Babbel had a center-shot from the right side and Sammer made a goal from 3,4 meters and Germany went in semifinals.

EURO 2004 - France - Croatia 2-2, Trezeguet played with hand and scored, group stage.

EURO 2008 - Croatia - Turkey, Turks scored their goal for tie in 122 minute, he should end that match probably, later we lost on 11 meters, quarterfinals.

Qualifications for EURO 2000 - Croatia - Yugoslavia 2-2, referee thought that the ball of Davor Suker didnt passed the goalline. Because of that we didnt qualified for that upcoming EURO.

World Cup 1998 - serious speculations that France bought the match in semifinals, they bought whole World Cup, with " mysterious illness" of Roberto Carlos, Ronaldo, Golden Goal against Paraguay, their easy group, against Saudi Arabia and South Africa.

World Cup 2006 - Croatia-Australia 2-2. Kewell scored from offside, group stage.

Many errors. On every EURO that we played.

Bad decisions were only against Italy in our match in Japan 2002.

 

Here is the biography of Croatian football captain Darijo Srna:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darijo_Srna

Srna was born to a Bosnian Muslim father Uzeir and a Croatian mother Milka. He has stated that he owes all his credentials to his father, Uzeir, who kept him alive and faithful during the tough years of the war, helping him pursue his dream as a footballer in light of his own personal tragedies. During World War II Chetniks, killed Uzeir's pregnant mother and his father was killed by a stray bullet during the ethnic cleansing against Bosnian Muslims. Before leaving Croatia to join for Shakhtar, he gifted his parents with a brand new Mercedes. He has a tattoo of a deer playing football on his leg, as 'Srna' in Croatian means 'deer'.
Srna has a half-brother, Renato who works as a coach at Neretva, from Uzeir's previous marriage with a woman called Nada. His other brother Igor has Down syndrome. As a result, Srna dedicates all his goals to him, and even revealed a shirt under his jersey saying "Igor, svi smo uz tebe" ("Igor, we are all here for you") after scoring a goal against Macedonia. He also has a tattoo of "Igor" along his heart.
While playing for Shakhtar Srna occasionally bought many tickets for orphans. Besides buying tickets, he also paid for the transport. One time he paid for 920 children, another time he paid for 760 children.
Srna is married to longtime girlfriend Mirela Forić, whom he met through their mutual friends, footballer Boško Balaban and his wife Iva. Their daughter Kasja was born in July 2010.

Was his pregnant grandmother part of some military group? Another proof of Serbian brutality, with their Chetnik movement. They were protectors of Serbian royalty.

 

Before some great non-Croatian players couldn't play for Yugoslav NT, even though they had great club careers. For example World Cup 1930, only one player was non-Serbian, he was Czech/German. Maybe this last "Yugoslav" World Cup in 1990 isn't the best example, but this Serbian affirmation is visible through early 80's, 70's and other early decades. During Yugoslavia it hasn't been popular to say: "I am Croat and I want to play for Yugoslav NT". Yugoslav nation was artificial nation. If you are Spanish person, you can see how Spain has regional issues, only Basque people are different. Imagine than how is great to be Yugoslav: you had there one artificial language, connection between Serbian and Croatian named Serbo-Croat language, designed from self-thought Serbian linguist Vuk Karadzic, Yugoslavia had two letters: Latin and Cyrillic. Yugoslavia had three religions that were dominant, but atheism was desirable. It was forbidden to say: "I am Croat, Slovene, Bosniak, Macedonian, Albanian". Serbs and Montenegrins had better conditions. Albanians couldn't speak Albanian language in public places. Their language is so different than others.

I found that video clip, they were on the bench on that World Cup, they were all in that Yugoslav 1990 squad:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_FIFA_World_Cup_squads#Yugoslavia

Jarni played 7 matches for Yugoslav NT in 1990 year. Boksic didn't played for Yugoslav NT at all, Davor Suker played 2 matches for Yugoslav NT.

Zeljeznicar had success: "Biggest success came in 1971/1972 season when it won a championship title, the only title in Yugoslav period. In 1980/1981 season, Željezničar has reached Yugoslav cup final, but lost to another Bosnian side Velež Mostar. Biggest international result was recorded in 1984/1985 season. FK Željezničar, with Ivica Osim as a coach, reached semifinals of the UEFA Cup where they were playing against Hungarian team Videoton. Two minutes from time, Željezničar had a result that would give them a place in final and two matches with big Real Madrid. Then the moment of disaster came and Hungarians scored a killer goal. Entire Yugoslavia was crying that night. Just one of things that proves special place Željezničar has in people's hearts. Not only in those who are supporting it, but everyone."

I don't know about this that people cried for Zeljeznicar, maybe people from Bosnia. Croats always supported Dinamo or Hajduk, Serbs supported Partizan, Crvena Zvezda, Radnicki Nis.

Interesting thing about Zeljeznicar: "Financial problems were not the only ones. Multiethnicity of the club was seen as a threat by many, so Željezničar was suppressed in various ways. Despite that, club managed to survive, and even beat stronger and wealthier clubs."

Club's biggest European success was accomplished in 1984/1985 UEFA Cup when they have played in the semi-finals of this competition; FK Željezničar also played in quarterfinals of the same competition in 1971/1972 season.

FK Sarajevo hasn't won any European trophy. Their fans have the name "Evil" - Zlo.

"The club's supporters were historically called Pitari while an individual was, and is still, known as a Pitar. Their rowdiness during the matches of the time provoked accusations of being dangerous. During a big season game in 1986 a maroon painted snake was thrown off the east stand onto the visitors bench. This is considered the reason club officials opened the North stand of the AFH Stadium to the most enthusiastic of fans. Soon after, the name The Horde Zla was born, when several members of the Pitars created a new identity based on a Zagor comic book of the same name. Today, Pitari and Horde Zla are interchangeable. The Horde Zla became the fastest growing youth organisation in the city of Sarajevo, financing itself through a very well organised, vertically integrated marketing system, as well as a very rigid members policy. During the late 1980s and early 1990s The Horde Zla became infamous for a few of the largest interfan riots and stadium troubles in former Yugoslavia, including the 1991 stabbing of two FK Partizan supporters in front of the FK Partizan stadium in Belgrade and the 1988 riots in the city of Mostar before a league game, resulting in the stabbing of a Mostar resident and the destruction of huge amounts of property.When the civil war began, most members of The Horde Zla joined the newly formed Bosnian Army in an effort to defend their city and newly independent state, and many did not survive. Today a plaque exists, to honor The Horde Zla who died defending their city and country. After the war The Horde Zla again took their place on the North stand of the AFH stadium on the 10th. anniversary of the firm's founding. The Horde Zla again were on the front pages when, during the 1998 Sarajevo city derby against FK Željezničar, they invaded the pitch after some members of the FK Željezničar firm, The Maniacs attacked the FK Sarajevo 1946 goalkeeper, resulting in a huge on-pitch-fight resulting in over 30 serious injuries and setting on fire the stadium's rubber athletics track.
The Horde Zla again made headlines in October 2009, during the infamous Široki brijeg football riots. The riots resulted in the death of Vedran Puljić, a member of Horde Zla and over thirty serious injuries, including four gunshot wounds."

They are Bosnian Muslims, who are oriented against Serbian club Partizan and Croat clubs from West Herzegovina: Zrinjski Mostar and Siroki Brijeg.

During Yugoslavia there was many ethnic problems. Serbian clubs always won Yugoslav Championship, they would buy matches, fixed them with opponents. It was easy for them to buy these matches, because they were well accepted in Montenegro, Macedonia and Bosnia. Croatian clubs had to struggle a lot against these clubs, Serbian clubs won easy these matches.

1990–91 Yugoslav First League:

"The season featured a huge ethnically motivated incident during the Hajduk Split vs. FK Partizan tie on September 26, 1990 at Poljud Stadium, when a mob of hardcore Hajduk fans invaded the pitch in the middle of the match in an attempt to lynch Partizan players. All of the Partizan players ran for their lives into the dressing room, thus escaping unharmed. While chanting anti-Serb slogans, the violent mob then set fire to the Yugoslav flag that was displayed on the stadium's official mast. They then proceeded to raise the Croatian chequerboard flag (at the time not in official use and thus considered a Croatian nationalist symbol). Partizan was leading 2-0 at the time of the incident. The match was never resumed, and eventually registered 3-0 in Partizan's favour."

Dinamo Zagreb–Red Star Belgrade riot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinamo_Zagreb-Red_Star_Belgrade_riot

"The Dinamo Zagreb–Red Star Belgrade riot was an infamous football riot that took place on May 13, 1990 at Maksimir Stadium in Zagreb, Croatia between the Bad Blue Boys (fans of Dinamo Zagreb) and the Delije ("heroes"; fans of Red Star Belgrade). The incident is famous for taking place just weeks after Croatia's first multi-party elections in almost 50 years in which the parties favouring Croatian independence had won the majority of votes. The riots resulted in over 60 people wounded, including some stabbed, shot and poisoned by tear gas."

Just one ordinary football match.

Tension between the two teams was always high as they consistently placed at the top of the Yugoslav football league and often won the national championships. In 1990, this took an even worse character due to rising ethnic tensions in Yugoslavia. The first multi-party elections were held in most of Yugoslavia and communism was ousted in favour of more national-oriented parties. The second round of voting in Croatia was held on May 6, when the Croatian Democratic Union (HDZ) won under Franjo Tuđman. Slovenia and Croatia, under new leadership, were the leading forces behind a drive to reorganize Yugoslavia into a confederation, but were opposed by Serbia under Slobodan Milošević and the still powerful Communist system at state-level.
Approximately 3,000 Delije made the trip to Zagreb. They were led by Željko Ražnatović (also known as "Arkan"), a Serbian nationalist and criminal wanted by Interpol. Between 15,000 to 20,000 spectators were estimated to have attended the game.

Yugoslav brotherhood and unity. Fans of Red Star came in Zagreb to provide violence, pure intention.

Up to several hours before the game even began, there were already a number of fights in the streets between Dinamo (Bad Blue Boys) and Red Star (Delije) fans. However, the real trouble took place within the Maksimir stadium itself. Provoked by stones being thrown at them by the Bad Blue Boys , Delije , placed in the stadium's segregated area reserved for visiting fans, began to tear the advertising hoardings and eventually made their way towards the Dinamo fans, attacking them with torn-off seats and knives, and singing Serbian nationalist chants like "Zagreb is Serbia" and "We'll kill Tuđman".
The Bad Blue Boys - incensed by the actions of their rivals - attempted to storm the field half an hour later, but were quickly pushed back by the police; restraint methods used by the police included baton striking and tear gas. Within minutes, the situation spiraled beyond control as the BBB could no longer be held back by the police, and soon took to the field to reach their Serbian counterparts. All the while, the police were quickly overwhelmed by the large numbers, but came back with reinforcements, armoured vans and water cannons to disperse the violence. More than an hour later, with hundreds injured, the running battles were all over.

"Amidst all the chaos, several Dinamo players still remained on the field, the Red Star players having already left for the locker rooms. Zvonimir Boban, the Dinamo's captain, kicked a police officer Refik Ahmetović who was attacking a Dinamo supporter. The Bad Blue Boys soon came to Boban's defence, acting as bodyguards. For this act alone, Boban was proclaimed a national hero of Croatia, but also attained a Croatian nationalist reputation in Serbia. He was suspended by the Yugoslav Football Association for six months and had criminal charges filed against him, although the officer he attacked (who turned out to be a Bosnian Muslim) publicly forgave him for his actions several years later.
"Here I was, a public face prepared to risk his life, career, and everything that fame could have brought, all because of one ideal, one cause; the Croatian cause.”
—Zvonimir Boban, later after the incident

Police had worse violence against Bad Blue Boys.

The riot marked the beginning of the end for the Yugoslav First League. After the playing the entire following 1990-91 season clubs from Slovenia and Croatia withdrew. The league lasted for one more season after that as by the end of 1991-92 season the country disintegrated.
Though it occurred full year-and-a-half before the start of hostilities, in Croatia, the riot is also symbolically seen (and in some sections of Croatian society even celebrated) as the start of the Croatian War of Independence.

If Yugoslavia was Yugoslavia, how come fans of Crvena Zvezda had a song: "Zagreb is Serbia"? Yugoslavia still existed. Yugoslav national league still played. Yugoslavia was other name for Great Serbia movement. Croats never went in Belgrade with songs: Belgrade is Croatia.

 

I found many evidences and wrote about them here. Serbs created Chetnik movement in the first decade of XX. century, they had the role: "protectros of fatherland". They did't wanted war, because they knew that they had traition of losers in wars, so they wanted to get Croatian territory through re-settling Serbs on spaces where they had never lived: Croatia.

Sad story is, that many Croats believed in that system of unity and brotherhood, that's why they had mixed marriages. Today they hide their origins. Matteo doesn't understand the meaning of civil war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_war

"A civil war is a war between organized groups within the same nation state or republic, or, less commonly, between two countries created from a formerly-united nation state. The aim of one side may be to take control of the country or a region, to achieve independence for a region, or to change government policies. The term is a calque of the Latin bellum civile which was used to refer to the various civil wars of the Roman Republic in the 1st century BC."

Yugoslavia was he "country" of six nations, different in every way: Croats, Slovenes, Bosnian Muslims, Albanians from Kosovo and Albania, Macedonians, Montenegrins and Serbs.

Conflicts between these nations are civil war? You have here three religions, some languages Croats don't understand: Albanian. Macedonian is difficult to understand, Slovene is also difficult. Today's Croats don't know how to write Serbian, Montenegrin, Macedonian Cyrillic letter.

Slovenes and Croats use Latin letter for centuries. Croats had their own titles for their rulers: knez, ban, herceg.

Croatian nobility: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Croatian_nobility

Croatian noble titles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Croatian_noble_titles

Herceg: means duke, dux in Latin language. That's why today exists region Hercegovina, it means Duchy.
http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herceg

Indo-European Chronology (VI period):
http://indoeuro.bizland.com/project/chron/chron5.html

HISTORY OF MEDIEVAL CROATIA: http://www.raceandhistory.com/Science/croatia.htm

Croats are in Europe since ever. They had always protected their heritage and customs. It's funny when someone says that Coats are the same people like Serbs. There are many serious theories that Montenegrin people are Croats for real, but Serbs dfeated them in the 12. century and convinced them that they are Serbs.

Some number left today who declare themselves as Croats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croats_of_Boka_Kotorska

During the war Montenegrin people were for Serbia:
http://dalje.com/en-world/six-montenegrins-charged-with-torturing-croats/172545

JNA was Yugoslav People's Army, if they were all equal, how come Montenegrin people knew who to attack, who is the enemy? Obviously everyone knew way before who are they.

Yugoslav People's Army: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_People's_Army

Army of every nation in Yugoslavia, but in 1991. Serbs and Montenegrin people took all weapon and attacked Slovenes and Croats, because they anted to leave Yugoslavia in peace. They have created Log Revolution in Croatia.

"The dissolution of Yugoslavia began when independent, non-communist governments were established in the Republics of Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Macedonia. In 1990, the Socialist republic of Slovenia changed its name to Republic of Slovenia and ceased contributing funds to the federal government for a sustained military budget. Soon afterward the Slovenian government began a re-organization of its TO defense and the government brought the TO under its control."

"In Croatia the nationalist government formed with paramilitary organizations such as ZNG."

Croatian National Guard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_National_Guard

"In March 1991, the Yugoslav defense minister, General Veljko Kadijevic organized a meeting in a military complex in Topcider. Present at this meeting were all 6 presidents of the Yugoslav republic, presidents of the autonomous republic, the Yugoslav president and all top military officers. Kadijevic claimed that there are numerous paramilitary organizations in Yugoslavia sponsored by foreign and domestic enemies of the State."

On June 25th 1991, Slovenia and Croatia declared their independence from Yugoslavia. On the same day Slovenian territorial defense units captured Yugoslav control posts on borders with Italy, Hungary and Austria. Slovenian forces also established border control posts on their border with Croatia.

As a result of these actions, the Yugoslav Army attacked; its top commanders citing the constitutional obligation to defend the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Yugoslavia.

If someone doesn't live in one state, how can anyone say that this country was great?

On June 27th, 1991, the Yugoslav Army attacked the Slovenian TO units on borders and also in all other areas which were under Slovenian control. The Slovenian TO blockaded all the Yugoslav Army bases in Slovenia and kept them under siege for 10 days.

This Yugoslav Army was on of the strongest forces in the world, Yugoslavia only invested in weapons. But when you see the stores from 50's, 60's, they were empty, with low quality products.

A general state of war lasted for 10 days and ended on 6 July 1991. The Yugoslav Army suffered approximately 150 casualties. Many Yugoslav Army soldiers and officers were wounded or captured. After the Brioni Agreement was signed, the Yugoslav Army agreed to withdraw from Slovenia by October 10th, 1991, leaving numerous tanks, rifles, trucks and other equipment.

On June 27th, 1991, war in Croatia began. The belligerents were the Yugoslav Army and Serbians on one side and Croatian paramilitary units on the other.


Yugoslav Army = Serbs, proof that this wasn't the civil war. Croats left that army before the war.

"Croatia initiated a siege of the Yugoslav Army's barracks, leaving its soldiers without food, water or electricity for weeks.[citation needed] Some Croatian citizens deserted from the Yugoslav Army and began joining Croatian military forces."

"Senior officers of the Yugoslav Army also defected to the Croatia, including Air Force Commander-in-Chief Colonel General Anton Tus."

"The war has spread to the whole of Croatia. The Yugoslav Army was in a difficult position. Soldiers tried to escape from besieged barracks with more or less casualties. Croats captured large amounts of weapons in the Yugoslav Army barracks. Most of their equipment Croats captured in Varazdin when General Trifunovic gave up fighting with Croats."

General Trifunovic - Serbian.

Throughout the war the Yugoslav Army gave weapons to the Serbs rebels, allied against the Croatian government.

I see nationalism here and radical ideas against Croats, ethnic cleansing. Croats never got the weapons from Yugoslav Army.

"In August 1991, the battle of Vukovar began. This was the biggest battle in the War in Croatia after Oluja and Bljesak operations. In this battle 90% of the city was destroyed."

90% was destroyed, military objects? Ethnic cleansing, destroy everything and take over this city, Vukovar was strategic goal, because he was in the near or Serbian border.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vukovar

Almost every home was destroyed, probably these 10% incuded Serbian residents, who killed Croats they were neighbors.

Battle of Vukovar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vukovar

"The Yugoslav Army used fighter and attack aircraft, rocket launchers, large amount of tanks and other equipment. Macedonia declared independence in August 1991. In October Vukovar was captured and 80% of Croatian forces were destroyed or captured. Many atrocities were made by the Yugoslav Army in the city."

"In mid-October 1991, Yugoslav ground forces, supported by naval and air forces attacked the city of Dubrovnik and the Konavle area where Croats had strongholds. By the 6th of December, the Yugoslav Army had neutralized all Croat formations in the Konavle area, but the Dubrovnik had not been captured. After these two big operations, the Yugoslav Army signed a peace treaty with Croatia and began to withdraw. The last Yugoslav Army soldier left Croatia in May 1992 when ships of the Yugoslav navy sailed off Vis island to Kumbor in Montenegro. In February 1992 Veljko Kadijevic resigned."

"The Yugoslav Army left Macedonia in March 1992. Macedonia was left without any heavy equipment, weapons or aircraft."

Serbs took everything.

"In March 1992 Bosnia declared independence and the War in Bosnia started between Muslims, Croats and Serbs. The Yugoslav Army was in withdrawal and Muslims were attacking Yugoslav Army barracks and soldiers."

"On May 20th, 1992 the Yugoslav People's Army was formally dissolved, the remnants of which reformed into the military of the newly found Federal Republic of Yugoslavia."

Today Croats and Serbs have mutual accusations for genocide. It's obvious who attacked who. Serbs attacked Croats. Because they don't have moral, dignity and honor, that's why they applied this accusation before cca one year. If Croats killed them, why didn't they applied this accusation before? They needed to manipulate with numbers, represent some unknown victims, some Serbs died in car accidents and they used them as war victims. They had invented names, people who died with natural death, Serbs represented them as victims of war. Croats also killed Serbs, but in defensive way. This is a big difference.

Croatia–Serbia genocide case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia–Serbia_genocide_case
"The Republic of Croatia filed the suit against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia on July 2, 1999, citing Article IX of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. The application was filed for Croatia by the American lawyer David Rivkin. With the transformation of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia into Serbia and Montenegro and the dissolution of that country in 2006, Serbia is considered its legal successor."

Serbs got the sport results of Yugoslavia, don't see any reason why shouldn't they receive this genocide accusation.

"The Republic of Serbia filed the genocide lawsuit against the Republic of Croatia on January 4, 2010."

Why they didn't do this before Croats or at the same time? Because they didn't had so many victims. This is just pure revenge for their defeats in the World War II.

Accusation that is at least 70 years old. Now Croats and Serbs are in war again, but in war with documentation, courts and testimonies.

Croatian War of Independence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_War_of_Independence

Number of victims:

Croats:

Croatian sources:
13,583 killed or missing (10,668 confirmed killed, 2,915 missing)
37,180 wounded
or
12,000+ killed or missing
or
15,970 killed or missing
8,147 soldiers
6,605 civilians
1,218 missing
UNHCR:
247,000 Croats and non-Serbs displaced
by Oct. 1993

Serbs:

Serbian sources:
7,501[A 9]-8,039 killed or missing
5,603 combatants
(SVK: 4,324
JNA: 1,279)
2,344 civilians
International sources
300,000 displaced (1991-1995)
254,000 displaced
by Oct. 1993
200,000 displaced
in 1995

Croats have exact numbers, Serbs are having issues with that, their numers of victims is much smaller and yet they applied accusations for genocide against Croatia.

Result: Croatian victory
Croatian forces regain control over most of RSK-held Croatian territory; Croatian advances in Bosnia and Herzegovina lead to the eventual end of the Bosnian War.

"The Croatian government gains control over the vast majority of Croatian territory previously held by rebel Serbs, with the remainder coming under UNTAES control."

Croatian culture: http://www.everyculture.com/Cr-Ga/Croatia.html

"Because of all the aforementioned facts Croatian surnames date back many years ago. Generally, one can say that Croatian surnames are amongst the oldest ones in Europe, and that Croatian surnames system is one of the oldest ones in the world."

http://www.mojabastina.hr/en?module=bastina.portal.ShowCMSPage&cms_page=bastina.web_page.mojeprezime

Croats: http://www.durham.net/facts/crogen/newsltr9.html

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php

http://euroheritage.net/serbscroatsbosnians.shtml

http://rwguide.rootsweb.ancestry.com/lesson27.htm

Croats don't have nothing with Serbs, when we have the question of heritage and mutual culture. These nations are divided in every possible sense.

Muslims from Bosnia and Herzegovina: they were Croats or Serbs, Muslims are a product of Ottoman Empire and their desire: creating Muslim people.

Croats and Slovenes have many mutual connections, similar nations, similar cultures, customs, Latin letter, Catholic religion, Western orientation, democratic point of view.

Some theories said that Montenegrin people were Croats. But it's not confirmed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegrins

List of Montenegrins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Montenegrins

Macedonian people are similar to Bulgarian people, similar language, similar form of surnames, same religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonians_(ethnic_group)

Albanians aren't similar to no one. They are not in Slavic group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians

 

Interesting to see. Thanks.

Against Czechoslovakia Croats didn't wanted to play for Yugoslavia anymore.
Former Yugoslavia qualified to Euro1992. But, they were kicked before that Euro, because they started a war, instead of them Denmark entered and won this Euro. They said a lot of jokes: "We were on the beaches, taking a sun, but we received phone call that we must play on Euro. We were relaxed, without pressure and we won". Something like that.

Danish players helped Croatia so that Croatia can go in France 1998. They played 0-0 in qualifications against Greece in Athens, this helped to us, Denmark was already got the first place, but they played fair. They could send B team.

It's weird that only Mario Stanic and Ivkovic played for Yugoslavia, after resigns of other Croats. Mario is Bosnian Croat, but his family came in Sarajevo from West Herzegovina.

Without Croats Yugoslavia had nice problems in their matches. "Serbian talent".

 

I agree with first three quotes. Didn't knew that Katanec had threats. His mother is Croat, father is Slovene.

With these sentences of Osim I don't agree: "People often talk about the fact that Denmark came instead of us, so they wonder what would happen if we had stayed in the tournament, and they think that probably we would win the European championship".

Yugoslavia never won Euro or World Cup. The reasons are national, religious, regional. I know many people who said that Spain will never won titles. Because Yugoslavia was similar to UK, Spain. There was a lot of politics when coaches picked players. Coaches were 99% Serbs, it's obvious that they liked Serbs.

"I don't know about that, but I think about the World Cup in 1990, what might have happened if we'd got past Argentina. Maybe I am optimistic, but in my private illusion I wonder what would have happened if Yugoslavia had played in the semifinal or the final, what would happen to the country. Maybe there would have been no war if we'd won the World Cup. I don't think really things would have changed in that way, but sometimes you dream about what might have happened".

This quote is his illusion, altruism, senseless, because fans of Dinamo Zagreb and Crvena Zvezda had open war on Stadium Maksimir in Zagreb. This was 13.05.1990., one month before World Cup in Italy. Serbs came on that match, they knew that Yugoslavia is falling apart, they supported Great Serbia. Antagonism started before, Croats didn't care to much for YNT in Italy. The war was close, in these moments football went in the second plan. Also people didn't observe Croatian NT, because they played only friendly matches since 1990-1994.

After that fans watched with desire.

Something interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vukovar

You can see on the right side: Belligerents

On Serbian side there were also: White Eagles. In Serbian this means Beli Orlovi. Beli Orlovi are official fans of Serbian football national team.

http://www.beli-orlovi.com/?lang=lat

Nickname of Serbian NT is Beli Orlovi (White Eagles). Interesting proof how much Serbs hate Croats. During the war Serbs draw crosses with four Cyrillic letters: C
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia_national_football_team

This was in Borovo, Croatia recently:



In this city Sinisa Mihajlovic was born. This was 2009.

http://www.ezadar.hr/clanak/u-borovu-naselju-cirilicni-grafiti

This symbol is serious offence in Croatia and they use this symbol for provocations.

 

Italians did this in Croatian region Istra:





Croats are surrounded with many radicalism.

 

Kosovo is Serbia, and one website, don't know does it work:



Serbians again, they wrote here Chetniks (Cetnici). This CEBEP I don't know:



I wrote about Chetniks here. Are they good people? Of course not (radical ideas, conflicts, wars, slaughters, movement for the Great Serbia against other nations).