Crew @ DC United :: PLAYOFFS :: 01 Nov 2018

Discussion in 'Columbus Crew SC' started by 110toyourleft, Oct 29, 2018.

?

Choose your Grouchy point entry:

Poll closed Nov 1, 2018.
  1. Win by 2 or more

    14.8%
  2. Win by 1

    24.6%
  3. Lose by 1

    9.8%
  4. Lose by 2 or more

    19.7%
  5. Win in Extra Time

    1.6%
  6. Lose in Extra Time

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Win a la Adam Jahn (Penalties, Shhh)

    11.5%
  8. Lose in Penalites

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Wayne Rooney Own Goal

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Pedro Santos Goal (worth 2 Points)

    9.8%
  11. Gregggg with a clever sideline touch before a throw-in

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. Ben Olsen Ugly Cries at the 4th Official

    8.2%
  1. shoplifter

    shoplifter Member

    Apr 2, 2009
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ^^^ oh I totally agree. Just saying it wouldn't be the first time we get a wacky interpretation of something from a CO



    found one though its (lol) not the situation exactly. It's a classic Hackett answer too.

    [​IMG]


    Show Spoiler
    If it's a competitive game, you have to abandon it. It might seem sensible to allow a team-mate to steady the ball, but the laws prevent team-mates being inside the area when a penalty is taken. There's also no provision in the laws for the taker improvising a way to stick the ball to the spot (with sand, for instance). It's a tough position to be in, but you have to call it off. Thanks to Jack Walker.
     
    jack sticker repped this.
  2. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    My wife, who very long ago took the test and long since ceased being a ref, brings this up whenever possible. She hated the damn test that much.
     
    TrueCrew and SLSHOT01 repped this.
  3. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    LOL. San Jose part of MLS' preferred narrative? Ha ha. :)
     
    Draghignazzo and kgilbert78 repped this.
  4. 110toyourleft

    110toyourleft Member+

    Jan 27, 2007
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah...I had to go back to Houston 2012 to find the youngest soccer specific MLS stadium to have hosted a home team playoff win.
     
  5. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So what was the answer for the first two cases??

    I'm thinking the first is not a goal and the second is a red card but no pk.
     
  6. SLSHOT01

    SLSHOT01 Member

    Columbus
    United States
    Oct 26, 2017
    Galion, Ohio
    Here it is, in case you want a reality check, the referee test.

    http://areferee.com/soccer.php

    You need an 85% or more on a 50-question test to get your license by the way
     
    Kyle Crew repped this.
  7. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mrs KG always notes "If, in the hallucination of the referee,"...
     
    Draghignazzo, Robbiegoal and SLSHOT01 repped this.
  8. shoplifter

    shoplifter Member

    Apr 2, 2009
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    correct on both counts. those ones seemed obvious, but usually two of them were. I always liked when he threw in an 'abandon the match' answer though.
     
  9. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...and a red card only because "brutally flattened". You can always go back and give the card later, from what I understand, if you choose to "play on". But I'm not sure that was always the case.
     
  10. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gonna take this later.
     
    Draghignazzo and SLSHOT01 repped this.
  11. Alneri

    Alneri Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Aug 3, 2018
    The "P*to" chants were loud near the end of the game. You could hear them through the broadcast. Twellman even commented on it. And there was quite a bit of trash throwing. They suspended the game for a few minutes to clear it out after RSL scored and Reddit posts are saying the trash throwing was worse before their goal.
     
    jack sticker repped this.
  12. Alneri

    Alneri Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Aug 3, 2018
    It's funny that this happened at Fado. Like it's a f*cking Irish Pub that is fairly known for showing soccer...
     
    TrueCrew, TKyle, Draghignazzo and 3 others repped this.
  13. YITBOS

    YITBOS Member

    Jul 2, 2001
    1.3 hours from CCS
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or have Schelotto blame them for breaking the floor.
     
    shoplifter repped this.
  14. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    KHT rewarded

    [​IMG]
     
    Ch(Elsey), chr1st, SLSHOT01 and 2 others repped this.
  15. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, but those are the ones that screw you. "If a kicked ball deflates while in the air and which while airborn flies over a sideline but a gust of wind blows it back and it lands in bounds whereupon a dog runs on the field, grabs it in his mouth and runs away with it, whats the restart?"

    If it helps anyone to feel really foolish, just before they raised the minimum age my kid took and passed the test when he was 10 ears old.
     
    TKyle repped this.
  16. speedye1

    speedye1 Member

    Dec 31, 2002
    What about the multiple times that the player last night placed the ball, stepped back from the ball, then replaced the ball after it moved? If Mullins would have stopped his run and replaced the ball would that have been legal?
     
    SLSHOT01 repped this.
  17. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, no shit. Who is clueless enough to bitch about soccer at a fados? Its like bitching about football at the Buckeye Hall of Fame Grill.
     
    TKyle and Timon19 repped this.
  18. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    How many ears in a year?

    (I know, I know...)

    I never took it, and I'd probably fail, mostly because I can't relate to being a referee in any way. On the other hand, it's utterly amazing how wrong other players my age get certain things and how often it costs them a dissent yellow. Just this past week, a forward (who is perpetually offside for one reason or another) tried to claim that a deflection of a teammate's pass by the defense makes a player in an offside position somehow legally able to play the ball without penalty.
     
    Ch(Elsey) repped this.
  19. SLSHOT01

    SLSHOT01 Member

    Columbus
    United States
    Oct 26, 2017
    Galion, Ohio
    ... just cause I'm going to be that guy.

    That situation was just covered in a class.

    If the deflection occurs while the defensive player is attempting to make a play on the ball. ie) the player kicks his foot out to play the ball, it deflects off him and continues to the player in an offside position. The call should be ONSIDE

    I have a real hard time justifying or calling it that way myself. The player in an offside position is gaining an advantage from being in that offside position and the defender is being penalized for playing a ball that if he doesn't play and the linesman doesn't flag it is going to be a sure fire goal.

    Needless to say, I missed that question on the test.
     
  20. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    I think the official answer is that adjusting the ball is fine until the ref has blown his whistle. At that point the ball can only be kicked.

    That's absurd, by the way. The ref should whistle the play dead if the ball rolls off the spot on its own.
     
    TrueCrew and shoplifter repped this.
  21. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    I'm talking a much more obvious inadvertent deflection.

    Though I really think it's stupid (and I think a lot of refs agree) to penalize a defender for trying to cut out a pass and failing to get full purchase on the ball (usually due to field conditions), so that some asshole forward gets away with being lazy.
     
    Draghignazzo and SLSHOT01 repped this.
  22. SLSHOT01

    SLSHOT01 Member

    Columbus
    United States
    Oct 26, 2017
    Galion, Ohio
    There is no official answer to this.

    After the whistle the player could still move and reset the ball with the referee's permission.

    I agree if the referee notices the ball moving he should blow it dead.
     
  23. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I took the class along with a guy who had been a cop for 15 or 20 years. He really didn't know much about soccer but that doesn't much matter. Read the book, take the test.

    Anyway, we started working local games at the same time and he quickly started getting older kids games, higher level games than they were giving me and I couldn't figure it out.

    But after about a year, I was getting tournaments with MOSSL and stuff like that he he wasn't, and he was the one who didn't get it.

    Took me a while to figure it out, but it was because, as a policeman, he was entirely comfortable blowing the whistle on stuff that I was busy processing - in the context of this game and based on earlier calls and in the run of play and on and on. He was just blowing the damned whistle, while I was taking too long to make decisions.

    I was also worrying about framing the game, as they say, creating an even contest, making sure the players understood what I would accept and what I wouldn't and also frequently communicating with them verbally as opposed to just grabbing the whistle.

    The difference is obvious in High School games, where a lot of those guys ref, like, 10 sports, more or less as a job. They learned the rules,but understand nothing about the game. HS games are routinely awful and a big reason is because the ref, frequently, doesn't know shit about soccer.
     
    jack sticker, puttputtfc and shoplifter repped this.
  24. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    If I were the striker, I'd be afraid of a handball call if I tried to move the ball back to the spot.
     
  25. SLSHOT01

    SLSHOT01 Member

    Columbus
    United States
    Oct 26, 2017
    Galion, Ohio
    I believe that is correct. #1 for sure good. The referee is treated as a blade of grass.

    #2 is a bit of a grey area. Given that advantage was played and an opportunity was presented, and then missed that decision should stand. Depending on the situation the referee could then go back and caution or eject the player who commited the foul but not give a penalty.
     
    Draghignazzo repped this.

Share This Page