Crew @ DC United :: PLAYOFFS :: 01 Nov 2018

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Choose your Grouchy point entry:

Poll closed Nov 1, 2018.
  1. Win by 2 or more

    14.8%
  2. Win by 1

    24.6%
  3. Lose by 1

    9.8%
  4. Lose by 2 or more

    19.7%
  5. Win in Extra Time

    1.6%
  6. Lose in Extra Time

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Win a la Adam Jahn (Penalties, Shhh)

    11.5%
  8. Lose in Penalites

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Wayne Rooney Own Goal

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Pedro Santos Goal (worth 2 Points)

    9.8%
  11. Gregggg with a clever sideline touch before a throw-in

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. Ben Olsen Ugly Cries at the 4th Official

    8.2%
  1. speedye1

    speedye1 Member

    Dec 31, 2002
    Hope to see a ruling on the ball moving during a PK. Never seen that before and my reading of the law says it should be retaken either make or miss.
     
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  2. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I freely admit that the combination of finely brewed hopped beverages and sheer exhaustion saw me fall asleep long before the end of the game in LA.

    Can someone tell me what the deal was with a) the "homophobic chants" and b) numerous objects thrown on the field.

    Some people are really up in arms today, calling it a disgrace, a blight and, like, really bad shit and stuff.

    Was it really that bad or was it a couple beer cups and a halfhearted "p*to" from a bunch of sour drunks?

    (And isn't it amusing that the BS autocensor blocks "p*to" on the internet but FIFA tolerates it in stadiums?)
     
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  3. Hamburgler03

    Hamburgler03 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 31, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ColumbuScrew > Los Angeles Football Craft
     
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  4. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What do you expect from a stadium full of government employees?
     
  5. CrewV Man

    CrewV Man Member+

    Aug 18, 2011
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was watching at the Fado in Dublin and the place was full and standing room only.

    3 guys came in right before half time, one with a OSU jacket and went up to the hostess. They were clearly pissed that they could not get a table. They were also clearly pissed they could not stand somewhere without the game on.
    On the way out one of the guys was said something like "Fu(|<ing soccer...." and was staring hard at me like I kicked his kid. I guess because I was near the door. I just had to laugh.

    It reminded me of times we would go to official watch parties around like 2010 and we would be the only ones in the bar with like 2 Crew employees. We would get the small TV in the back with no sound. And the REST of the bar was OSU fans.

    We've come a long way, baby.
     
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  6. Ch(Elsey)

    Ch(Elsey) Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    May 2, 2003
    Green, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great avatar change.
     
  7. jack sticker

    jack sticker Member+

    Rangers
    United States
    Jun 5, 2018
    It was beer throwing and p*to

    EDIT but Newsweek already has a story https://www.newsweek.com/hooliganis...eal-salt-lake-goalkeeper-debris-force-1198172
     
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  8. zman31

    zman31 Member+

    May 5, 1999
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On the extra time goal, it was some very nice play that lead to the score. The first thing that happened was Pipa played a one time ball to Afful. Quick movement started the chance. Pipa then darted toward the box, he didn't have far to go so he could get there quickly. He was joined by four other teammates. FIVE guys in the box vs. 4 DC defenders:


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    Hansen is in space for the short ball (same movement that created the winner against MN).

    Zardes is moving near post and occupying 2 center backs.

    Valenzuela is back post all by himself if the cross gets flicked on, deflected or missed.

    Even Santos is running free and making the right back have to commit to him.

    Higuain made a great run between the lines, leaving the d-mid for dead and the centerbacks with no chance to close the space before the ball got there.

    The above is the exact thing "the system" is designed to create. Opportunities for uncontested crosses to be served to even or better numbered situations in box.

    It didn't even require a good cross from Afful really, it was good, no doubt, but if he sails it long, Valenzuela is there and we're 4 on 3 for his cross back. Or it lands on Pedro's foot and when he flubs it we've got 4 dudes to pounce.
     
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  9. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    On replays this morning, I thought Zardes' run was the biggest key to that final move. He just absolutely dragged two big bodies out of the way (and actually into Hamid's line-of-sight briefly), giving Higuain a free look.
     
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  10. Jaybir

    Jaybir Member+

    Feb 24, 2014
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Hmmm. When I first saw @Bill Archer 's post, I thought, "What a generous guy." TKyle, being one of us, can likely put away the booze. I see now that I missed the fine print, "when I'm in the room."
     
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  11. Coupe

    Coupe Member+

    Mar 3, 2007
    That reminds me of the time we took the kids to Disney. This was back in the McBride era. The Crew were on ESPN and so we went to the ESPN Sports Bar in Epcot. We had to talk them into putting the game on one TV in the back so we could watch the game in the Sports bar owned and named after the network broadcasting the game.
     
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  12. CrewV Man

    CrewV Man Member+

    Aug 18, 2011
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks. I thought it was time I stop thinking about "the move" at all. And I thought about the most joyous moment this year. I could not find a picture of SaveTheCrew at Endeavor or the Legends game that had as much joy as this picture.
     
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  13. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True dat. But if you think we have made progress since 2010, you should have been here in 1996.
     
  14. 110toyourleft

    110toyourleft Member+

    Jan 27, 2007
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Big shout-out to unused sub Eduardo Sosa for throwing an extra ball onto the field to delay the game. I might get his jersey now.
     
  15. Dan Milton

    Dan Milton Member

    Nov 25, 1998
    In 1996 you had to explain who,what and where the Crew was! A friend of mine was asked why would you get involved with that foreign commie game?!
     
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  16. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was wondering what the card was for.... We only saw the PKs (other commitments).
     
  17. 110toyourleft

    110toyourleft Member+

    Jan 27, 2007
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep - I think we were winning at the time.
     
  18. shoplifter

    shoplifter Member

    Apr 2, 2009
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There absolutely *has* to be a You Are the Ref about it but I can't find one.



    Too often we slow down the run of play so much that we deny ourselves these opportunities
     
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  19. SLSHOT01

    SLSHOT01 Member

    Columbus
    United States
    Oct 26, 2017
    Galion, Ohio
    From the laws:

    Offences and sanctions

    Once the referee has signalled for a penalty kick to be taken, the kick must be taken. If, before the ball is in play, one of the following occurs:

    the player taking the penalty kick or a team-mate infringes the Laws of the Game:

    if the ball enters the goal, the kick is retaken

    if the ball does not enter the goal, the referee stops play and restarts with an indirect free kick


    --------

    A moving ball would be an infraction by the kicker.

    Therefore since the appropriate restart would have been an indirect kick for the defending team, the penalty would have been considered missed.

    Had the ball entered the goal, it would have been retaken.
     
  20. SLSHOT01

    SLSHOT01 Member

    Columbus
    United States
    Oct 26, 2017
    Galion, Ohio
    I'm blind, I'm deaf, I've spent a decade as a youth ref.
     
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  21. shoplifter

    shoplifter Member

    Apr 2, 2009
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your interpretation is pretty much what I'd have said based on my reading of the laws too. Ultimately it's the responsibility of the player taking the kick, it just sucks that there's little than can be done about it otherwise.

    edit: Having said that, it wouldn't have shocked me if Chapman allowed the goal had it gone in and just said both teams are subject to the same conditions and weather constitutes an act of god.
     
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  22. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    I think this is where soccer can learn from golf: there appears to be no consideration for "outside actors/influences" in rules like this. It seems harsh indeed for burden to fall on the kicker when the ball was initially placed at complete rest and through no action of his own, the ball was no longer at rest when played.
     
  23. SLSHOT01

    SLSHOT01 Member

    Columbus
    United States
    Oct 26, 2017
    Galion, Ohio
    The only way a moving ball is being kicked is not an infraction by the kicker is if a defensive player comes up and moves the ball. Then that player would be booked for delaying the restart of the game.

    If the wind causes the ball to start rolling, the infraction is still the fault of the kicker.
     
  24. SLSHOT01

    SLSHOT01 Member

    Columbus
    United States
    Oct 26, 2017
    Galion, Ohio
    I don't disagree, and I assure the USSF Referee test is full of situations just like this. Which is probably why USSF Referees tend to make the right calls on these once in a blue moon rare happenings, but miss so many run of the mill calls. The tests and classes are often geared toward the peculiar instead of the general.
     
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  25. SLSHOT01

    SLSHOT01 Member

    Columbus
    United States
    Oct 26, 2017
    Galion, Ohio
    To the best of my knowledge there are no acts of God in the book.

    Only the Laws of FIFA (I mean the game)
     

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