Post-match: Crew at Dynamo, March 11

Discussion in 'Columbus Crew' started by hardhead, Mar 11, 2017.

  1. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    Agreed there is a place for them but until "********ing moronic pass by a GK" is a stat, these numbers will miss the reason we lost.
     
  2. Draghignazzo

    Draghignazzo Member+

    Feb 24, 2007
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Could someone mention this to 3G at the next opportunity? Thanks!
     
  3. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    So in other words, Ola Kamara is wasting his chances? And everyone else is wasting the chances that Meram creates. Sounds great!
     
  4. svc641

    svc641 Member+

    Aug 19, 2014
    West Liberty
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't know Berhalter had a Twitter handle.
     
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  5. ZipSix

    ZipSix BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 20, 2000
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bullshit abstractions that make losers feel better about themselves.
     
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  6. ZipSix

    ZipSix BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 20, 2000
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Finishing (aka the act of scoring an actual goal in real life) is the entire point of the sport of soccer.

    Being expected to finish but not finishing ends careers. It's only in the we-have-advanced-metrics-too world of modern soccer does xG get celebrated as anything more meaningful that "wastefulness."
     
  7. ibrew

    ibrew Member+

    Feb 3, 2008
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    How do they have more goals per game than expected goals per game? I don't know if I trust that stat.
     
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  8. ibrew

    ibrew Member+

    Feb 3, 2008
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Shouldn't expected goals per game treat scoring an actual goal as a very high, some would say definitive, indicator of an expected goal?
     
  9. Jim Bach

    Jim Bach Member+

    Bradford City Association Football Club
    May 11, 1999
    Land of the Lizard People, or so I'm told
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Palestine
    Honestly, for the time being at least, all these stats are good for is in painting a mathematical picture of how a particular team is bad (or good, maybe.) Team A might have the same record and goal differential as Team B. But by mind-numbing number crunching we can learn that the reason Team A sucks is because they can't convert on all the chances they create, while Team B constantly gives up the ball in midfield due to sh*t passing. Both teams lose a lot and don't score many goals. The problem is twofold - first, unless we're analyzing teams from the Greek 3rd division (or an equivalently obscure league), why not just watch the teams play? It shouldn't take to long to notice Team A's dreadful finishing and Team B's crap passing. The second problem is, we're not yet at a point (and may never be) with these analytics that we can use them to inform transfer or coaching decisions. Maybe Team A isn't really bad at finishing; maybe what gets coded as 'chances created' by the Opta wizards aren't really chances at all... And maybe the solution to Team B's passing problem isn't to buy Joe Allen, maybe it's to play an extra man in the center of midfield. These are evaluations beyond the scope and ability of analytics, soccer being a fluid game without a large number of discrete events that occur in a vacuum.
     
  10. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    It's saying they've scored some improbably goals.
     
  11. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A compelling new section of Gregg's latest PowerPoint presentation.
    Negative waves, man!
     
  12. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That bridge ain't gonna be there.
     

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