More bad news for the league , Cork City may approach the High Court in order to have an examiner appointed in a bid to stop the club going to the wall. Debts of €800,000 reported.
This fits in very well with the All-Ireland League thread. Cork are probably the second most successful side in Europe after Shels in recent years and yet again a LOI club has been found wanting when it attempts to make the break from the drudgery of LOI play into Europe. There doesn't appear to be a sustainable model that allows for persistent European success for a LOI club. Norway, for instance, get a team into the group stages of the CL more often than not and, by and large, those teams remain financially viable, CL notwithstanding. The Shels model of a few years ago was predicated almost exclusively around the revenues from CL group stage football. And when that didn't happen, Shels stopped happening. The Norwegian teams can survive with or without. So this obviously begs the question what can LOI teams do to be successful in Europe and in general. On the surface it would appear very little. The stark choice would appear to be, be successful in LOI with a run of 2/3/4 games in Europe, while hoping to draw a big name like say Atletico Madrid and accept that that's as good as it ever will get or go for broke, spend relatively huge sums and hope for CL group stages to finances an inflated budget. There does not appear to be a middle ground here. But where a solution might lie would be in the amalgamation on the two leagues and to slowly increase the standard and to grow organically into CL qualification as the Norwegian model would suggest. I know there are examples of Pat's and maybe even Drogheda this season and Derry in previous seasons, but the fact remains that no LOI team in recent years has had sustainable success at home or abroad to the extent that it has become financially viable and independent. (Oh, and by the way, all that is written here about LOI teams applies in equal measure if not more so to IL teams especially as it pertains to European success.) The LOI structure/model is patently not working; time for some new thinking and an All-Ireland league appears to be the way to go. Or at least the best option that has yet to be tried.
You cant compare really. The Scandinavians, while admiring the premiership, do support their own clubs. Irish people wont support their own. Until they do we cannot expect CL qualification. The AIL is a bit away yet. They have too much to lose up north and Platinum's proposals are daft. Mooney has signed for Reading but cork have gone into examinership. They need to follow our clubs model from 2005 and fast. Clubs owned by property developers will always end in tears. Fans owned clubs will last forever. KOH
In Ireland, developers have been given too much freedom. Not just in football but in life generally( Irish people got too carried away with this Celtic Tiger dream state). They run away with profits and don't give a sh** about the consequences. Rovers are on the right track definitely.
And you and you alone are a real f**cking fan? All you have ever done around here is spout on with you poor mouth shite about how Irish fans won't support their own. That's it. You're a one string guitar. Not once have you ever tried to explain or understand the hows and the whys of football in the LOI. Because you don't have a f**cking clue. Way easier to moan about how awful Irish fans are and that they don't support their own. No amount of examples and ideas ever change that dumb f**cking tune. No attempt, ever, at analysis. No effort to look at things that's in the slightest way different from the usual poor mouth shite. "Oh woe is me! Irish fans don't support their own!" In the second post on this thread I gave an example of Norway as a country that manages to get the financing right. Now that's all it was - an example. Yet what happens? Same old one-legged, piss-poor, usual shite: Take the example and run with it and not have the cop on to look at the underlying reasons. Take the example and speak to it and miss the greater point that the example brings up. Way easier to spout pious shite because that requires neither thinking nor understanding. There are a huge number of problems that the Cork troubles bring up, not least of which is that it would appear that the second city cannot support a single football team. Supposedly, the team has taken a 70% pay cut and have stopped paying Gareth Farrelly because he is injured. Sligo Rovers, one of the older clubs around, has recently had to launch an appeal to fans to bail them out. Shels had trouble and nearly went out of business a few years ago. Pat's, this season, have been in a bit of trouble. It would appear that across the board that LOI clubs are having financial trouble and are not operating on sound financial models and the best, the only and usual shite that you are able to spout is the crap that you always spout: We get it. You are unable to see past your nose. You have nothing else to say except this shite. It's the rising tide that floats all your boats and any attempt to engage and explore the topic further is met with the only rejoinder you have: "I'm a real fan, you're not and the Irish don't support their own." OK, we get it. You have nothing else to add. As bullshit as it is, you have nothing else to add. And simplistic as it is, that's the only tune you know. There are many many more reasons for the failure of LOI teams to make the jump to the next level; fan support is but one. And the only solution you offer - excoriating people and telling them how great you are - is less useful than pissing against the wind. At least when you piss against the wind your legs get warm for 10 seconds. There are a few solutions that have to be considered - consolidation of teams, amalgamation with the IL, strict financial oversight, better marketing to the local communities, cooperation with other sporting bodies and so on. Yet the only thing you have to offer is Which translates into, "I'm a real fan, you're not; Irish people don't support their own." That's it. Nothing more. But repeat ad nauseam as the answer to every question, idea, suggestion and plan because, hey! It's easier than thinking.
Still on the bright side it really is going to F**k up the all ireland league , no Bohs and no Cork City.
Calm down son. I dont really have the time to go into a childish rant like yourself there. You dont like the truth. To you its *** this or *** that. Obviously strict financial criteria, better marketing, realistic pay for players come into it but the overlying fact is that the Irish public do not support our league. I can absolutely guarantee you son that I have more of a clue than you will ever have. KOH
OMG, that can't happen to such a traditional Irish club! Damn, when I remember back the euphoria after the Championship win 2005 (I've been there short time before the famous "shed" got demolished)... Is € 800,000 really such a high amount for an Irish club so there's no other choice than approaching the High Court? What about the fans collecting some money (as the St.Pauli fans did some years ago) or financial support from sponsors (there should be a few of them in a city like Cork)?