Coppa Italia Quarter-final: Fiorentina vs Roma (January 30th, 2019)

Discussion in 'AS Roma' started by Big Bad Wolf, Jan 29, 2019.

  1. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Italy
    #251 falvo, Jan 31, 2019
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    Dude, what are you talking about? I haven’t really rooted for Juve in over 13 years! That was mostly because they were in Serie B and wanted them back in the Serie A but only on a competitive front. As a matter of fact, I actually stopped rooting for them when Lippi gave Roby Baggio the shaft for ADP who I never cared for. I'm glad they lost to Atalanta that way someone else and/or an underdog will win something for a change.
     
  2. Matrim

    Matrim Member+

    Feb 10, 2014
    Club:
    AS Roma
    "I'm hard pressed on my right, my center is giving way, situation excellent - I'm attacking!"

    Some people would forever have their noses transformed into the shape of Moronchi's arsehole. Ah, humanity, where have we gone so wrong!
     
  3. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yea I read EDFs future rests on the ACM match.
     
  4. Hustle and Flow

    Hustle and Flow Member+

    Roma
    Feb 19, 2018
    Canada
    Wouldn't shock me. I'm sure Pallotta would've canned him long ago if it weren't for Monchi.
     
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  5. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm torn. Part of me thinks, at this point you might as well let him finish the year. The other side says maybe a change will give us a short term boost and help qualify for the CL.

    If we miss the CL it could get real ugly in the summer.
     
  6. Hustle and Flow

    Hustle and Flow Member+

    Roma
    Feb 19, 2018
    Canada
    I say we keep him until it's beyond clear we just can't continue with him.

    I actually like EDF quite a bit and I want there to be continuity at Roma. I also hate like half the roster , so there's that.
     
  7. muptonfish

    muptonfish Member

    Oct 10, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    I think he stays if Roma gets at least a point against ACM, I don't see the point in sacking him now only a point out of 4th and with a winnable CL round coming up in less than 2 weeks. The schedule isn't too daunting for the next month, if EDF can navigate through it and remain in the race for 4th and have a good chance to advance in CL, there isn't much reason to fire him. But this is Roma so who knows...
     
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  8. GamE_Ove12

    GamE_Ove12 Member+

    Jul 7, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    An opinion based on historical data and was subsequently supported by multiple evidence from the present is not a line in the sand. An opinion that is NOT supported by historical data and evidence from the present, and only based on best case scenario and wishful thinking.. well is wishful thinking.

    At his time in Roma, EDF showed no tactical maturity or growth, just like before when he was fired by 3 Serie B clubs and Sassuolo. At Sassuolo he threw away big leads and lost by big margins and was one trick pony. Yet, everyone is acting surprised now that he is throwing away big leads, losing by big margins and being a one trick pony.. ha!

    Monchi might have done great things at Sevilla, but since he left his comfort zone his decisions have been baffling to say the least and are not consistent in any shape or form with what he did at Sevilla.

    It has been more than 16 months of lost identity, baffling off and on the field decisions, obvious decline and chaos. Insanity is repeating the same actions expecting different results.
     
  9. GamE_Ove12

    GamE_Ove12 Member+

    Jul 7, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    "But hey Sabatini did not buy defenders."

    Fair enough. Monchi went into the season with grandpa Kolarov, a kid with zero official minutes and broken knee for LB. He sold Emerson and replaced him with an average guy (Silva) with another broken knee who couldn't get more than one game. He also spent 18 mil on a kid with a broken knee, who broke it again, yet he still thought he and Florenzi were more than enough to compete in 3 fronts. Don't ********ing even get me started with 9.5 mil for freaking Santon! But hey don't complain he is MonchiMagic!


    "Sabatini wasted money on kids"

    Fair enough. Monchi spent 13 mil on Fuzato, Coric and Bianda when the starting 11 is full of holes.

    "But Monchi is building for the future"

    Oh is that why he paid 25 mil for 29 year old broken Pastore? 25 mil for Nzonzi who was 30 last month?

    "Sabatini wasted money on deadweight"

    Moreno. Gonalons. Marcano. Santono. Jonathan Silva. Mirante.

    Heck.. at this point you can throw in Pastore too.

    "Iturbe"

    Schick.




    EVERY. SINGLE. COMPLAINT. about Sabatini, Monchi has done the same or worse in his 16 months here. Stop the hypocrisy please.
     
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  10. Majstor Cevapa

    May 1, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    I can stand by much of what Monchi has done, but the two things that don't make sense is ignoring the defense & the purchase of Pastore/Nzonzi.

    With the financial situation we've been in, it makes almost no sense to buy two aging players with little re-sale value. At least if you purchase Ziyech or Barrios (just an example), they still have time to turn it around or get you a return. The only time you would do something like this is if you're challenging for the title, which we're clearly not.

    I'm willing to take bets on what kind of loss we end up taking with Pastore.
     
  11. Hustle and Flow

    Hustle and Flow Member+

    Roma
    Feb 19, 2018
    Canada
    Oh boy.
     
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  12. Majstor Cevapa

    May 1, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    Just to add.. I actually like Nzonzi and think he's a good fit. I'm just curious about the thought process there.
     
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  13. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This all may be a moot point. I've seen a couple things that make the stadium more unlikely and I'd be surprised if Pallotta still owns the club this time next year.
     
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  14. decola

    decola Member+

    Sep 12, 2006
    Club:
    AS Roma
    These are literally all free transfers XD
     
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  15. Hustle and Flow

    Hustle and Flow Member+

    Roma
    Feb 19, 2018
    Canada
    I already tried, man.
     
  16. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They weren't all free transfers, I believe the only one that was free was Marcano.

    I do believe that Moreno, Gonalons and Mirante were all under 5 mil. Silva was a loan and Santon was about 9 mil. None of them a lot of money but technically not free
     
  17. GamE_Ove12

    GamE_Ove12 Member+

    Jul 7, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Moreno: 6 mil fee; 1.5 mil year salary

    Marcano: free; 1.5 mi/year

    Gonalons: 5 mil fee; 2 mil/year

    Mirante: 4 mil; 1 mil/year

    Santon: 9.5 mil; 1.3 mil/year

    This is a total 32 mil expenses on fringe players that went into the balance sheets.

    We sold Paredes for 22 mil and Emerson for 20 mil because we wanted to balance that very same balance sheet.

    Source: Transfermarkt.com and Gazzetta
     
  18. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Are we still calling EDF a one trick pony even though we can't use all the 4-3-3 memes anymore?

    Every coach has a preferred system, EDF has left that system to get the most out of the roster available. It was obvious to most when signed that Pastore wouldn't work as a mezzala. He went with it for a few games and ditched it. He's come to realize with his group of midfielders that the 4-2-3-1 is probably best suited to get the most attacking talent on the field at once.

    Last season we essentially had all attacks coming down the left wing with Kolarov or Perrotti as our only effective creative forces (I use creativity loosely when speaking of Kolarov). Our midfield offered nothing. This season it's a more balanced attack coming centrally through Pellegrini and at times Zaniolo as well as the wings.

    Defensively I agree we still have an issue. I hate the reliance on Kolarov and Florenzi to be part of the attack because they offer so little defensively. It was mentioned here or another how they play too narrow and allow crosses in at will, and I agree and it infuriates me. But honestly, I believe that this teams defensive issues this year mostly show how much this team misses De Rossi (which yes, is problematic at this stage in his career). Sometimes we shut up shop too easily, but I hardly believe that the strategy EDF is imparting from the bench is "Alexander and Stephen, jog leisurely alongside the attacker with the ball and usher him into a prime attacking position." At some point the players need to show some grinta.

    I get the frustration with EDF especially given the results, but I think the one trick pony line is unfair at this point.
     
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  19. GamE_Ove12

    GamE_Ove12 Member+

    Jul 7, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    One trick pony also applies to a coach who cannot master a different functioning approach beyond what he knows. EDF changed to 352 and got embarrassed by Klopp. Changed to 4213, which somehow fixed the attack and ruined the defence. Trial and error approach.
     
  20. muptonfish

    muptonfish Member

    Oct 10, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Moreno was brought in at 5.7 and sold for 6, that’s a wash

    Pareses was sold (23 mil) well before any of these players (besides Gonalons) were brought in, so I’m not sure how his sale is related

    And 3 of the players listed are still on the roster, players cost money, if it wasn’t those 3 players it would have been 3 others that would have cost somewhere in the same neighborhood

    What is great is that the profits from a sale of Zaniolo will cover all these and then some ;)
     
  21. GamE_Ove12

    GamE_Ove12 Member+

    Jul 7, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Sure- using the same logic why did we complain about Sabatini wasting money signing fringe players then?
     
  22. muptonfish

    muptonfish Member

    Oct 10, 2013
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Low hanging fruit, confirmation bias
    Every DS in football has bad buys and good buys,
    Walter wasn’t the best DS, he wasn’t the worst. He had 7? Years, most of them with Totti still being very effective and a focal point for the sqaud and won almost nothing. Some people see that as a failure and focus on his deficiencies
    Same with Monchi, the team isn’t performing well so all people can see is the mistakes (potentially) he has made
     
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  23. Java65

    Java65 Member+

    Oct 2, 2012
    North Carolina
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair Sabatini was hired in the summer of 2011 and fired in May of 2017 so he really had 5 summer transfers.

    Second, while he did have Totti, Totti was 34 or 35 when Saba took over, waaaaaaay at the end of his career.

    Third, Walter took over when JP took over an the club was near bankruptcy.

    All that said, yea, it was time for Walter to go. Also, while Monchi has made some big mistakes it's only been 2 summers and I always cut them some slack on the first one because there is no way a new DS can really know the squad after a few months. Monchi is also getting familiar with a new league and how nuances of Serie A play.

    It appears Pallotta has given Monchi a free hand to run build the squad and hire a coach and I'm all for giving him at least 3 years to see if there is a concrete plan or not.
     
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  24. whill4

    whill4 Moderator
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    AS Roma
    Sep 11, 2011
    Returning Video Tapes
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    People were also saying Prade was a genius 200 IQ 5D underwater speed chess grand master compared to Sabatini when he was our DS.

    At the end of the day none of them managed to put together a winning side.
     
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  25. Salmeen10

    Salmeen10 Member+

    Jan 10, 2014
    Bahrain
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Bahrain
    On the bright side, at least we didn’t play extra time.
     
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