Copa Sudamericana 2012

Have you ever even been to the city of Sao Paulo?

 

No it isn't. Fu(k him.

Stop avoiding the main issue - Tigre were aggrieved tonight, and you join the blind ignorant masses in Brasiao in condemning a small team that's happy to be there, and were treated like sh1t the whole time they were in that dump known as the largest city in the hemisphere.

Can you do that - admit something Brazil did/failed to do was wrong?

 

Best Thread since Mano got fired

 

Actually, Boca is targeted by racism.

Boca is the team that Bolivian and Paraguayan immigrants to that country adopt. This is why sometimes fans from opposing teams fly Bolivian and Paraguayan flags, in mockery of Boca. There was one time that diplomatic officers from Bolivia lodged a protest because of this.

I'm not saying white Argentine Boca fans aren't or can't be racist. If anything, many Argentines have Indian blood (their facial features show it).

 

yeah, but I kinda prefer Minneapolis......

 

It is ********ed up. I agree. If they feel that they were mistreated or attacked by the security guards or the police, lodge a complaint with Conmebol, get out, and play the second half.

Violence on the field is part of the game and is the referee's responsibility. Violence continued on the field after the first half ended and the referee gave Paulo Miranda a red card and Osvaldo a yellow card. No cards to Tigre players. In situations like this, it is common to give one red card to one player from each team. No explanation why only a SPFC player received a red card, but the referee could have his reasons.

What I think that happened is that Tigre players were upset and went down to the locker rooms. When they saw the security guards, they started pushing them. There was no reason for the security guards to beat up the players unless they were pushed. The security guards might have thought that the Tigre players were trying to get to São Paulo's locker room. That could or could not be an accurate assessment.

It is easy to get a few pushes into a big fight. This might have happened, and the Tigre players felt vulnerable. Someone in the Tigre organization might have felt, as did Chilean goalkeeper Rojas in 1989, that it would be easier to win the championship off the field. Someone in the Tigre organization told Fox Deportes that they were beaten up and that they had videos to prove it.

If they really have the videos to prove it, they should lodge a complaint with Conmebol and ask that the remainder of the game be played in a neutral venue.

Otherwise, it is what we refer as "disse que disse", or "he said, she said", and we will never know the truth.

São Paulo was the superior team in the first half, and could easily continue scoring in the second half. Tigre was being violent and trying to provoke fights the whole game. This is the mark of a team that knows that it can't win without resorting to dirty tricks. This is why I cast doubt on Tigre's claims.

 

When you say that Sao Paulo is a "dump," you're not going to be taken seriously. I went to Buenos Aires and saw some pretty miserable vilas-miserias, and the Boca neighborhood is not anywhere I'd want to be when after sundown. Doesn't mean I'd call it a "dump." Even here in the US, great and famous cities like New York City and Los Angeles have less than sterling neighborhoods (south Bronx in NYC; South Central/Compton in LA).

Was Tigre happy to be there? Sure. Do we know for absolutely sure why there was that altercation? No.

Can I admit Brazil did something wrong?

You talk too simplistically. I wouldn't blame ALL of Argentina for the horrible treatment Argentinos Jrs and Estudantes da Prata gave to Fluminense and Internacional, although I believe the local police didn't do its job.

We do not yet know if Tigre's players went up against private security or the actual police.

 

Cleveland on roids ... and with much, much, much, much better ass.

 

Jesus youve done alot of wikipedia searches tonight.

and thats greatly exaggerated, the Bolivian and Paraguayan thing, not so much the racism. I know a shit ton of Paraguayans, villero Paraguayans and theyre all River fans. Bolivians who knows, theyre seen as "illegals" and tend to not be as dispersed around the city, most live close to me and are nice, quiet people.

Boca fans are scum, like the worst people in the world. I say this with no football feeling involved, its a shame that Bolivians get bunched up with them.

my point though was more for this forum, all the Boca posters complain about said racism that doesnt quite reach the surface on the forum, while throwing around homophobic remarks in every post.

 

Keep spinning, doctor.
Typical.
Been to Sao Paolo, probably as many times as you have.

 

Wikipedia? No. This is something that's known. I've actually spoken about this to at least one BigSoccer Argentine who said he welcomes "Paraguayan and Bolivian brothers."

I have nothing to say about Boca fans being scum. I have nothing against them.

 

Someone here made my ignore list.
Population: 1.

 

Then it'll be water over a duck's back when I tell you to go F yourself...

Don't take blunt butter knives to gun fights. Brah.

 

There is slums in every major city. Here in Brooklyn we got bad areas like Bed-Stuy,Brownsville,East Flatbush,East new York etc. Do not act like Argentina is some squeaky clean place with NO problems. Last I checked you guys have vilas-miserias.

 

Tigre should've followed your advice.

 

Don't bother. The guy is a racist troll.

 

Sad that you have not yet said "Yes, despite the fact that I am an ashamedly blatant Brazil Schill-Bra-schill - the Sao Paolo cops/security made my country look like the jungle lots of people/gringos in the US of A perceive it to be, in their treatment of the Tigre team, players and staff alike.

Say it. We'll be on the same page then.
We'll rule the world.

 

Yes, I agree.
They were outclassed in the first half by a better team. We all knew this.

 

Argentinos who are of European descent have a slight feeling of superiority. i live in the Greater Buenos Aires area as opposed to capital so I have a different perspective from others, people are a product of their environments.

well i wouldnt expect you to, but it is what it is.

 

Same in Brasil.

 

hahaha easy for you to say(you must be so brave)

they're were losing 2-0 and they got beat up

imagine if they tied the game up! or worse had they won it!
put yourself in the Tigre players' place

i guess they could lodge a complaint with Conmebol from the hospital
or from jail


man in a weird way this might be good - at least the whole world is watching(especially mexicans who idolize these guys) - this is the real thing, this is how they are in real life, this is Brazil, we know them, hopefully you start to believe it now.

 

You're in no position to make demands of anybody here after your numerous ignorant and racist posts... or after you mocked people because of what they do for a living.

See you in the forums in 2013. I'm sure you'll be rooting for Tigre in the Libertadores, as NOOB won't be there.

 

São Paulo has played dozens of Libertadores and Sudamericana games at Morumbi in the past. This has never happened before at our home. Tigre was not interested in continuing the game after they were losing 2-0. They provoked a fight on the pitch, and they provoked a fight in the locker rooms with the security guards. Thus, they justify their egos by stating that they are the aggrieved party. Take a look at comments in El País and see what many Argentines are stating. Ignore the flame wars there as well.

Someone else mentioned Argentine teams winning Libertadores in Brazilian stadiums before.

A few years ago, São Paulo played a final against Palmeiras in their pigsty. Someone known to the Palmeiras staff managed to put a gas canister in São Paulo's locker room. São Paulo players' eyes were tearing up, and they spent the whole half time in the hallway. They came back up and played the second half. They lost. But they lost standing. Then they filed a complaint.

Big teams don't need these tricks to win. It's the little teams that need them. Many Porteños made the trip to São Paulo to support their small team. Couldn't the team play and lodge a complaint?

What bugs me the most is that they told Fox Deportes that they have the videos to prove it. If they do, they can prove that their version is true.

 

You miss the point yet again. You told Kempa not to take blunt butter knives to a gun fight. Well, Tigre shouldn't have picked a fight with somebody if it couldn't win it - not if the return match was going to be in SPFC's stadium.

Boca Jrs trash talked Corinthians in your country and in mine, but it was nowhere as dirty as Tigre and unlike Tigre it actually played soccer. And like Tigre, it drew the first match at home and was outplayed in the 2nd leg.

Nonetheless, you're correct with this post. Tigre was indeed outclassed by a better team.