Clubes que jugarán la Sudamericana 2009 (hasta ahora): Argentina: Boca Juniors(invitado) y River Plate(invitado). Bolivia: La Paz FC y Blooming. Brasil: Internacional (actual Campeón), Flamengo, Botafogo, Goiás, Coritiba, Vitória, Atlético-MG, Atlético-PR y Fluminense. Colombia: La Equidad y Deportivo Cali. Chile: Unión Española. Paraguay: Libertad y Cerro Porteño. Perú: Cienciano y Alianza Atlético. Venezuela: Deportivo Anzoátegui. ---------------------- Faltan 4 argentinos, 1 chileno, 2 ecuatorianos, 1 club no mexicano de Concacaf, 2 mexicanos, 2 uruguayos y 1 venezolano. El Campeón de la Sudamericana 2009 jugará la Recopa contra el Campeón de la Libertadores 2009.
Re: Copa Sudamericana 2009 They should have a rule that only teams that don't play Libertadores can play Sudamericana. It would make sense from a sporting aspect, but I guess not from a financial aspect, so that's why it won't happen.
Re: Copa Sudamericana 2009 Got to wait and see i guess it'll depend on who qualifies for the next CONCACAF Champions' League. Also argentine soccer fan, for that to happen maybe the two cups should be played at the same time, the matter is there may not be enough clubs(since there're few countries) to cover both, in the end i think this cup takes space and attention that could be used for our beloved Libertadores.
Re: Copa Sudamericana 2009 So i suppose no CONCACAF teams either. But got to see what happens from here to a couple of months in the future.
Re: Copa Sudamericana 2009 Using the criteria CONMEBOL have used the last 4 years in inviting a team from CONCACAF (best placed champions league finisher that is non-mexican and not qualified for next champions league) the qualifier appears to be Montreal from Canada. Puerto Rico finished better than Montreal in CONCACAF but only have to defeat one caribbean minnow to qualify for the next champions league. Montreal has to win the Canadian Championship to qualify for the Champions League which I doubt given their current form.
Re: Copa Sudamericana 2009 Except for the champion however, but in the end Brazil is doing that and you see they send their 12th team to the cup, this is why i think this cup is pointless altogether.
Re: Copa Sudamericana 2009 Nope...they've changed the rule. Even the champion don't play in Sudamericana. São Paulo will not compete this year.
Re: Copa Sudamericana 2009 Ah, that's very interesting, it's a good move by CBF, because it's what it should be done, but the point remains Argentina getting 6 places and Brazil getting 8(Probably Argentina would get 8 too if Boca and River didn't get a bye to the round of 16), if Argentina did like Brazil, then we'd be seeing sides like the 11th of Argentina and the 13th of Brazil... I mean come on what's the point of that?
Re: Copa Sudamericana 2009 I'm really interested to see who they replace the Mexican teams with. I don't know if they'll come from CONCACAF or not. I can't see them inviting three teams from CONCACAF if none of them will be from Mexico.
Re: Copa Sudamericana 2009 sudamericana should be discontinued and we should get a new competition, similar to the former conmebol , the competition that i guess was created to be similar to UEFA cup now called EUROPA CUP..... i guess that this will give us the best teams for libertadores, and will also give us anpther option to see teams tnhat are in a process of getting international recognition and that little by little need to get into bigger competitions... since mexico is out, i think this should be the best number of teams for libertadores 4 brazil and argentina =8 3 teams from the rest of the south america countries = 27 out of those 35 teams we should add the champion and have 3 teams , and wither 9 groups of 4 or 6 groups of 6, or let's copy some CL format, by having more teams from argentina, brazil, and the other 8 teams, and creating more qualifying rounds having only the best 2 from each country a secured spot in the group rounds+20, and leaving 12 spots for the remaing teams
Re: Copa Sudamericana 2009 I don't know. Here in Brazil people don't care too much about Sudamericana.
Re: Copa Sudamericana 2009 It could be because they don't see the meaning of such a cup with such teams, but hey CBF are doing what is supposed to be done. The reality is that neither the CBF or the supporters are to blame in here. It's called UEFA Europa League. For the Libertadores i think the magic number is 40. -There'd be 4 from each country -Then 24 qualify to the groups stage directly -The other 16 teams play each other in the qualifying round(So yeah keep the 8 groups of 4 teams, that's fine in my opinion). -The 4th team of each group would come from the qualifying round. -In order to avoid having teams from the same countries playing eachother in these rounds the draws for the qualifying round and the groups round will be done separatedly. -Now you may be wondering, how many spot does each country get. Very simple, they should use some points, average, coefficient or whatever, to rank each country(each club will also have its own points, average, or etc which will varie depending their performances on the competiion). -The top 4 ranked countries, get 3 direct spots and 1 to the qualifying round. -The bottom 6 get 2 spots in the groups stage and 2 spots in the qualifying round, so in the least a country could get 2 spots in the groups stage(Yeah, no change there...) but at most any country could get 4 spots and no more than 4 spots. -With teams from the same countries having avoided eachother in the previous rounds, from now on it won't matter so the current bracket can be used too. With that in mind a second cup may not be really needed, because the Libertadores should be played in a season-long span, instead of just 5-6 months, but something a bit smaller than the Libertadores could be done, though i don't think it'd be needed. Say revive the Copa CONMEBOL or keep Copa Sudamericana as the name... At least the trophy is nice looking. In here i can't think of much but, maybe you could get something like this. -The deal is to have 8 groups of 3 teams each, a total of 24 teams. -The 5th of each country to the groups stage. -The 8 teams that lost in the qualifying round of the Libertadores. -The 6th of each country and the 7th of top 2 ranked countries(Yeah i know... i couldn't think of anything better) play a qualifying round in there you the remaining 6. -The first placed teams of each group qualifies to a round of 16. -The third placed groups of the Libertadores bring the other 8 for the Round of 16. Yes, basically it would reduce matches of the groups stage and later it'd be the same, giving a chance to half of the teams that didn't do it in the group stages of the Libertadores. But i still don't think it'd be needed.
Re: Copa Sudamericana 2009 so like previous editions? arg-per , bra-col, par-ecu, uru-ven , chi-bol? where 15 teams advanced to the next round? if we were to have 40 teams how many would advance to the next round?
Re: Copa Sudamericana 2009 I suppose you are talking about what i suggested. Well, of the 40. 16(Those would be the 3rd and/or the 4th of each country) of them would be playing the qualifying round, so from there you'd get 8 that'd join the 24 that qualified directly to the groups stage(The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd(of some countries)). So with the 32 there would be like now 8 groups of 4 teams, like now the two best qualify to the round of 16 like it's done now. Here's more or less an hypothetical scenario how the 40 teams would distribute, suppose with a ranking there's the top 4 countries they'd be getting each 3 teams on the groups stage, their 4th team, the rest would get 2 berths in the groups stage and 2 teams on the groups and 2 teams on the qualifying. Here an example with teams and all. Let's suppose that Brazil, Argentina, Ecuador and Colombia are in the top 4. So from each suppose we have(This is hypothetical don't blame me for the choices). Brazil: 1- São Paulo. -To the groups. 2- Inter. -" " 3- Palmeiras. -" " 4- Grêmio. -To the qualifying round. Argentina: 1- Estudiantes. -To the groups 2- Boca. -" " 3- Independiente. -" " 4- River. -To the qualifying round. Ecuador: 1- LDUQ. -To the groups. 2- El Nacional. -" " 3- Cuenca. -" " 4- Barcelona. -To the qualifying round. Colombia. 1- Boyacá. -To the groups. 2- DIM. -" " 3- Nacional. -" " 4- Cúcuta. -To the qualifying round. Ok, so for the top 4 countries teams 1, 2 and 3 go directly to the groups stage. Team 4 to the qualifying round, so what'd happen to the rest? Paraguay: 1- Olimpia. -To the groups. 2- Libertad. -" " 3- Nacional. -To the qualifying round. 4- Cerro. -" " Uruguay: 1- Nacional. -To the groups. 2- Peñarol. -" " 3- Danubio. -To the qualifying round. 4- Defensor. -" " Chile: 1- Colo Colo. -To the groups. 2- Católica. -" " 3- Everton. -To the qualifying round. 4- U. de Chile. -" " Venezuela: 1- Caracas. -To the groups. 2- Tachira. -" " 3- Maracaibo. -To the qualifying round. 4- D. Italia. -" " Peru: 1- Universitario. -To the groups. 2- U. San Martín. -" " 3- Cienciano. -To the qualifying round. 4- Cristal. -" " Bolivia: 1- Bolivar. -To the groups. 2- Blooming. -" " 3- Aurora. -To the qualifying round. 4- The Strongest. -" " So with the "bottom 6", teams 1 and 2 would go to the groups stage, 3 and 4 would go the qualifying round. With the qualifying round, as some countries will be having two teams on it, probably they should do a draw that doesn't allow teams from the same country to meet eachother. Once the qualifying round is over, there would come the draw for the groups also avoiding teams from the same country to face eachother.
Re: Copa Sudamericana 2009 Has there been any word yet from CONMEBOL whether the invite for the non-Mexican CONCACAF side will still be open, or will it be withdrawn alongside that for Mexican sides?
Re: Copa Sudamericana 2009 i would suport to bring back the format from the 90's but instead of 20... 40 teams, and if one group is composed by argentina and venezuela, the other groups should be argentina-colombia, colombia-venezuela GROUP 1 : ARG 1st and 2nd, COL 3rd and 4th GROUP 2 : BRA 1st and 2nd , ECU 3rd and 4th GROUP 3 : URU 1st and 2nd, CHI 3rd and 4th GROUP 4 : PAR 1st and 2nd , VEN 3rd and 4th GROUP 5 : CHI 1st and 2nd, BOL 3rd and 4th GROUP 6 : PER 1st and 2nd , ARG 3rd and 4th GROUP 7 : ECU 1st and 2nd, BRA 3rd and 4th GROUP 8 : COL 1st and 2nd , PER 3rd and 4t GROUP 9 : VEN 1st and 2nd, URU 3rd and 4th GROUP 10 : BOL 1st and 2nd , PAR 3rd and 4th with the top 10(group winners advancing) and making an intersting QL round with the second places, and the best 2 3rd places WINNER of GROUPS 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 secured spot ro 1/8 round SECOND PLACE OF GROUPS 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 and best two 3rd places from overall should play an "intermediate round" example best second vs second third place .... A 2nd best second VS best third place...... B 3rd best second VS 10th best second ..... C 4th best second VS 9th best second ...... D 5th best second VS 8th best second........ E 6th best second VS 7th best second ....... F the winners should make it to the 1/8 round, and the 6 "loser" teams should be part of the next sudamericana edition, like they do it in UEFA CUP................. so.... 1/8 round (done with the same criteria as the previous round) best first place VS worst winner of the intermediate round 2nd first place VS 5th best winner of the intermediate round 3rd first place VS 4th best winner of the intermediate round 4th first place VS 3rd best winner of the intermdiate round 5thfirst place VS 2nd best winner of the intermediate round 6th first place VS best winner of the intermdiate round 7th first place VS 10th first place 8th first place VS 9th first place and then the 1/4, Semifinals and finals should be played the same way they've been played...
Re: Copa Sudamericana 2009 in the 90's it was mercosur y merconorte the last one had no bracas on it - it should from the north side of brazil and 1 mex to grp with colombia/ecuador and venezuela (NEXT THING WE KNOW even PANAMA WILL BE THERE) if we are fair!! as for this year copa nissan: they might as well hand out the 1st place to one mexican team afected by the FMF (make sure they are not part of the copa mls/fmf summer 2009)
Re: Copa Sudamericana 2009 merconorte ... colombia, ecuador, peru, venezuela, bolivia 3 equipos de cada uno mas el campeon(un invitado para la primera re-edicion) mercosur (brasil, argentina, paraguay, chile, uruguay) 3 de cada uno mas un invitado y asi serian 16 equipos... y punto