So the keeper touches the ball with his hands outside of the area, and he only gets a yellow? Mexico should just stop participating in these south american tournaments. Oh, they should also kick all the sudas out of Mexico as well.
Pumas tuvo sus chances y el Boca tambien. La MANO del Pato fuera del area era jugada de riesgo y expulsion. Leandro estrello un balonazo en el travesaño y Botero se pifio en un centro que lo dejo solo frente al Pato. En el otro lado Bernal saco dos o tres, un defensa saco un remate de cabeza de Inzua de la ralla y un cabezazo de Palermo paso rozando el poste izquierdo de Bernal. El segundo tiempo fue abierto y cualquiera pudo ganar, aunque Boca se fue con todo en los ultimos cinco minutos. Que no nos gusten los mexicanos no quiere decir que no podamos ver cuando juegan de igual a igual.
No.... jugar de igual a igual es tratar de imponer tus propias condiciones en un estadio adversario, asi como lo hizo Chivas la vez pasada y como lo hizo Catolica hace algunas semanas. Significa hacer tu propio juego y no depender del contrario. Pumas no hizo aquello, apostaron al contragolpe y ni siquiera cuando tenian oportunidad de congeniar algo de riesgo les resultaba bien. La mano del Pato vino en la unica jugada congeniada de real riesgo, ya que se veia que tenia bastante espacio para hacer algo mas y no se limitaba a las escapadas sin sentido de Ailton en el primer tiempo. Lo que hizo el arbitro ya es otro tema... junto al cuestionable penal que se marco a favor de Pumas. Entonces, si hablamos de merecimientos (ya que en los penales sabemos quien gano) puedo decir sin ninguna duda que boca fue superior. Oh, en tu resumen tambien te olvidaste del remate en el vertical del Chelo Delgado.
Oye, trato hecho! Eso si, con estos mismos argumentos de favoritismos e injusticias podrias escribirle al Sr. Leoz una prolongada carta con intencion de persuadirlo a finalmente de excluir a sus equipos que al mismo tiempo tanto se quejan. Sera complicado ya que estoy seguro que el viejo se embolzo todo ese dinero en su cuenta personal.
Si, se me olvido el del Chelito, y me equivoque en el de la raya, no fue Inzua sino Palacio.... Yo insisto que mi TV debe pasar un canal diferente, no el local kool-aid que muchos ven. Lo que hizo Chivas en la Libertadores no fue jugar de igual a igual, fue pasarle por encima al Boca, que no pudo y recurrio a la bravuconada (4-0 en Mexico como mostro el Bofo). El primer tiempo fue de Boca, nada que hacer. Pero en el segundo Pumas tuvo que salir a buscar el partido y aunque no creo tantas opciones, el partido se jugo en la cancha de Boca hasta el empate. Boca fue el que aposto al pelotazo y sus delanteros no atinaban a bajar ni un balon. Pumas tuvo 15 minutos muy buenos y la jugada de Abondanzieri fue en un buen contragolpe pero a un tiro de esquina. La mano de Schiavi fue accidental, pero fue tenia el brazo abierto como dos metros. Los penales son una loteria y toda la vida lo seran, buenos equipos se van temprano a casa por este medio. De Pumas nadie se acordara y Boca sera el campeon en los libros hasta que el mundo colapse, pero no le puedes quitar el honor a un equipo. Y contrario a lo que este post pudiera indicar a algunos, no me gusta el futbol mexicano, queria que ganara el Boca y me caen re-mal la gran mayoria de hinchas manitos de bigsoccer, pero trato de ver el futbol de manera neutral y Pumas fue un digno rival.
There's no point in playing in these south american tournaments if they're going to do everything in their power to prevent a Mexican team from winning. Mexico needs to stop sending teams to these tournaments as soon as possible. They should also kick out at least 80% of the south americans playing in Mexico. The reasons are very clear: 1. Mexico not only has to beat the opposing team, but they also have to deal with bad refs, the crowds throwing flying objects at them etc. 2. Mexico gains nothing by participating in these tournaments. 3. south americans take valuable spots on Mexican teams that could go to Mexican players.
The referee part is true for every team that is not from Brazil or Argentina. The rest plays for every team when is playing away. If it is too rough for your Mexican teams, pleas stay home, we do not need more sissies. I guess that you are so used to play away in empty stadiums or cow fields or empty stadiums filled with cows. Oh, yes they do. More games more money, more exposure. Ask Mexican TV stations if they are getting a rough deal: That few would risk to buy a Mexican player is a different problem. This was by far the best one . Without southamerican players you wouldn't have a league. Six foreigners per team is the main reason Mexican league is the third best league in the Americas today. Lavolpe does not have enough personel to call a B squad. As a matter of fact does not have enough players to call the A squad so they have to naturalize two or three. Lets take a look at the Pumasquad that represents mexican football: Leandro brasilero, Ailton brasilero, Marioni argentino, Botero boliviano, Veron paraguayo.
These mexicans are hilarious, now they're not only saying that they want to retire from Conmebol tournaments, but like Dadip said, some mejicanitos in Bigsoccer are asking for less Southamericans in their squads. Imagine that Mexican league, less Southamericans and no Libertadores. That's what I call shooting themselves in the foot. If this travesty somehow becomes true, I can see the gringo dominance in Concacaf translate from national teams to club level. Imagine that, MLS, the premier league of Concacaf. In fact, if they really want to have a chance in the Libertadores and/or Sudamericana, these mexicans should field ONLY Southamerican players in their clubs, like you see in some Premiership clubs, all foreigners in their starting elevens and a couple of Brits on the bench.
what for?...chivas crushed boca with just mexicans...so dont come out with that excuse...i know it's getting harder for south american teams to beat the mexican teams but u can't ask them to send B teams just like that...
I agree that Chivas would be the most authentic Mexican team and that they are competitive. And basically they have the best mexican players because Mr. Omnilife can afford to pay for most of the NT, otherwise they would be an average team. Besides things change so fast in football that the same Boca that was pounded by Chivas six months ago is now Sudamericana Champion and the same Chivas that was a Lavolpe mishap from playing in Libertadores finals was out of Mexican playoffs. But for the other 19 teams in the Mexican league the basic truth is that without foreigners most teams would be boring and non-competitive. Southamerican players ARE the reason that it is getting hard to beat Mexican teams. Furthermore, do you know which is the quickest way to make your Mexican teams into B Teams ? Play with no foreigners.
well u really have a bad memory huh?...otherwise you would know Chivas played without 6 starters and for the next game they arrived less than 48 hours before the game and after playing in the confederations... did that help u?
you do know how bad the team was doing and did this season because they didn't get any reinforcements right? you do know that mr.omnilife doesn't get the players the team wants because most of the times rise the prices of the players Chivas get cuz they know they just play with Mexicans right? you do know that it was just some time before libertadores when Chivas had most of their players on their NT right? you do know that Chivas outside of the NT players does have nothing but average players including the bench right? and that they didn't buy any NT players as you claim, they were there before they got in the NT...but u know all that right? i can tell u don't know much about Chivas... chivas was out of the playoffs when they played in the libertadores too, that didn't change this year... last championship America won, they did it with 3 foreigners starting...and should i remind you about Pachuca and their foreign reinforcements for the Libertadores?...got beat by Chivas too... like i said there's Pachuca...and with their reinforcements...they turned into a B team..
Throwing cement pieces at the opposing team is illegal in any country--including South America. Just because your country is a third world country in terms of standard of living, it shouldnt meant that the futbol and its conditions should also be of third world quality Who gives a shvt how much money Mexican t.v owners make, or how much who pockets what? What matters is the futbol. If those in charge are determined to let you participate but not win the filthy tournament, then you might as well stay home. I believe only 4 foreigners are allowed to play at any given time. Yes, I would admit that the quality of play would suffer TEMPORARLY, but in time the quality would go up to match or even surpass today's quality. You mention that La Volpe doesnt have enough players to form a B team, well that's precisely the reason they should ban most of the foreigners from playing. Reduce the amount, more Mexicans play and the NT gets better. That's the same team that finished in 16th place in the Mexican tournament. Two years in a row I believe.
Right... because South America is a country, right? Jesus, where did you go to school again? Are you a result from Mexico's splendid first world education system? Before schooling anybody else about what defines a third world country, look at your own pathetic reality. And of course, need I remind you of the incidents at the Azteca when America played Sao Caetano? Or how about the times it's been necessary to play your first world league with empty stadiums because of the crowd? Sounds like first world people to me! Hey.... I'm not gonna question that. It shows how bright Mexican businessmen can be! But hey, having your dignity being stepped on every year in our tournaments gives CONMEBOL plenty of money, so who cares right? Yeah, and it's also part of the team that was champions twice in a row and beat mighty Real Madrid at Bernabeu, right? Ohh, I know you remember that... all the Mexicans are proud of that one! Don't be one sided about it and try to make it look like its only the foreigners fault that team went downhill. I'd blame your aztec god Hugo Sanchez (who, by the way, has a severe Iberian complex for someone who feel no foreigner should be coach of the Mexican team. Kind of ironic, right?)
the bottom line is we are cheating the mexicans in our tournaments. its too obivious. we are making the rules while we go along.
if we don't want them to win one of our tournaments then why invite them. If we keep cheating them time after time, we look real bad.
Stealing half the National Treasure is also illegal and Salinas de Gortari did it, didn't he? That something is banned does not mean that it does not happen. Just look at all those guys jumping the border fence. Or look at the Inter fans throwing a motorcycle on the field. Both illegal, both happened. And let me ask you this? Are you implying that Mexico is an industrialized country? Please man the fact that you are part of NAFTA does not change the fact that you are los parientes pobres of North America. If it wasn't about the money that everybody is making it wouldn't matter, but Sudamericana was created because Conmebol wanted more money and for bad or good Mexican clubs and Mexican TV have money and a willing audience. Without those conditions we woldn't even be having this discussion. I agree in that the referee was awful last sunday and that Pumas could have won. I recognize that they had a great presentation and I argued for that before on this thread. Pumas was invited to Sudamericana because they won two straight championships last year - please learn about your own tournament before comming here to discuss about it. And in today's football things change so quick that this Boca was humilliated by Chivas six months ago. Football now is becoming a short term affair, win today worry latter about tomorrow. Six foreigners are allowed on Mexican teams and yes I think that 4 or 5 can be on the field at the same time. Before this gigantic infussion of foreign players Mexican football was awful, why do you think that suddenly shipping 80% of the talent out of your league will improve the playing level? Can't follow. And my joke/point was that not only Mexico does not have players for a B squad, but in order to complete the main squad Lavolpe needed to naturalize 3 foreigners. Please bring a couple of Mexican players to pick the pieces of Zacatecano - that's the only use we can give them. And BTW who looks now like the names you called me? .
so wut! have u moved to mexico or something. i love the fact that mexican teams actually participate in our cups because it makes it much more competitive. but for a mexican team to win a libertadores would be disasterous, we will never hear the end of it, they are extremley annoying as it is already AND THEY HAVEN'T WON SHYTE!!!!
so to you cheating to keep them from winning isn't disastrous enough? it's just embarassing how even the southamericans have realized how the conmebol does everything it can to stop the mexican teams from winning the cups and are ok with it..