Racism in Argentina is a day in day out thing. It goes far beyond football, no one here thinks twice about it… And since I know people from the south of brazil- and i vacation with them in uruguay in punta del este- i know racism is as big there as it is here. The truth is, here in Argentina a black player (i.e. African) from colombia or some place similar, will be treated 100% better than a "native/negro" from argentina… Its the way we are and we won't change
Racism will forever be a part of life...but taking it out of our beautiful game is a big step. It should be done...not just ignored because it tends to be a tad bit more accepted in South America.
It happens down there, but I'm not sure if I'd go as far as to say it is just as big. As far as football goes, it definitely is not (as big).
Its a big thing in my experiences with people from rio grande do sul… Al of whom were racist… Which by the way, is the best province in brazil in my opinion. I could never live any where else… The though of sao paulo or rio is horrifying. After talking to you all, i'm gonna be forced to uruguayan teams for this copa
1a fecha, 2a fase (miércoles 12): Dep.Anzoátegui(VEN) 1 Peñarol(URU) 1 Goles de Framber Villegas(DA) y Marcelo Zalayeta(P). León(MÉJ) 2 Flamengo(BRA) 1 Goles de Mauro Boselli(L), Víctor Cáceres(F) y Franco Arizala(L). Todos los goles sudamericanos (1 argentino, 1 paraguayo y 1 colombiano). Real Garcilaso(PER) 2 Cruzeiro(BRA) 1 Goles de Bruno Rodrigo(C), Ezequiel Brítez(RG) y Ramón Rodríguez(RG). Dep.Cali(COL) 1 Cerro Porteño(PAR) 0 Gol de John Viáfara. Tabla grupo 1: 1. Vélez Sarsfield(ARG) 3 2. Atlético-PR(BRA) 0 0 2. The Strongest(BOL) 0 0 4. Universitario(PER) 0 -1 Tabla grupo 2: 1. Botafogo-RJ(BRA) 3 2. Unión Española(CHI) 0 0 2. Independiente del Valle(ECU) 0 0 4. San Lorenzo de Almagro(ARG) 0 -2 Tabla grupo 3: 1. Dep.Cali(COL) 3 2. O'Higgins(CHI) 0 0 2. Lanús(ARG) 0 0 4. Cerro Porteño(PAR) 0 -1 Tabla grupo 4: 1. Independiente de Sta.Fe(COL) 3 +2 2. Atlético-MG(BRA) 3 +1 3. Zamora(VEN) 0 -1 4. Nacional de Asunción(PAR) 0 -2 Tabla grupo 5: 1. Real Garcilaso(PER) 3 2. Univ.de Chile(CHI) 0 0 2. Defensor Sporting(URU) 0 0 4. Cruzeiro(BRA) 0 -1 Tabla grupo 7: 1. León(MÉJ) 3 2. Emelec(ECU) 0 0 2. Bolívar(BOL) 0 0 4. Flamengo(BRA) 0 -1 Tabla grupo 8: 1. Santos Laguna(MÉJ) 3 2. Peñarol(URU) 1 2. Dep.Anzoátegui(VEN) 1 4. Arsenal(ARG) 0 -1 Jueves 13 (¡qué partidazos!) Atlético-PR(BRA) vs The Strongest(BOL) Univ.de Chile(CHI) vs Defensor Sporting(URU) Lanús(ARG) vs O'Higgins(CHI) Nacional de Montevideo(URU) vs Gremio(BRA) Atlético Nacional(COL) vs Newell's old boys(ARG) Emelec(ECU) vs Bolívar(BOL)
Brilliant logic displayed here: racist abuse is heinous, uncivilized... but it's deep-seated, therefore efforts to stamp it out shouldn't even be attempted. Of course this wouldn't fly for any other shameful aspect of any society. No decent person will say, Look man, corruption is terrible and harmful, but it's part of everyday life, so stop trying to correct it and just get on with it. As a Peruvian, I hope they come down on these fans hard.
And moving on to soccer-related issues, the Garcilaso win is absolutely amazing. They have a pretty shitty team even for Peruvian league standards. They lost most of their best players from last year and their signings were journeymen and even 2nd division players. Yes, Peruvian 2nd division. On top of that, for some reason they're not playing Cusco but rather in Huancayo. A city that's about a 10-hour drive from Cusco. So they couldn't have had their own fans there.
What standards? Seriously, given that they finished runner-up in each of the last two years, and topped the first phase of last year's Descentralizado, they're definitely one of the strongest teams here (not to be confused with being a big team...they're going to need more than five years of existence to even come close). They may eventually sputter out like U. San Martín de Porres, and they clearly turn to crap when they travel down to sea level; but by local standards Garcilaso are pretty good.
Cruzeiro ended so well last year's Brasilerao, I expected more from them. Good for Garcilaso. Hope they get punished for the racist crap though. It's inexcusable. Cali did well, in spite of their coaching/management troubles. Cerro Porteño is a very inconsistent team though. Typical of most Paraguayan clubs, like Nacional and Guaraní. You never know when they're going to show well, and when they're going to have a stinker. I'm going to miss Libertad. León, arguably the best Mexican team in Libertadores, had a bit too much trouble getting the three points from a 10-man Fla at home. Playing that way, they won't make it out of group. I liked the way Emelec ended the season (in particular their 3-0 destruction of Dep. Quito), so right now I give them the edge over the CONCACAF club. Peñarol played badly. Empataron de suerte.
great post sounds like the older poster dominican peru, is only used to see traditional teams on top or representing such high 'standards' that no longer show results. I did not see that game, what kind of attendance they have and can you post the line-up? does anybody knows whith they are in a different city/stadium?
Stadium in Cusco is being remodeled. http://www.conmebol.com/es/content/real-garcilaso-disputara-sus-compromisos-en-huancayo
I guess they used the Huancayo to keep the "altura" advantage. Otherwise they could have used that white elephant Universitario has in Lima.
That, and no other stadium in the Cusco region is up to Libertadores standards. From Jhoel Herrera, black player for Real Garcilaso's twitter account: jhoel herrera @jhoelherrera 7 h De madrugada regresando, lamentando y repudiando los actos de racismo. No al racismo, No más.
Dominican Lou se refiere al nivel individual de los jugadores del plantel de Garcilaso. El funcionamiento del equipo en conjunto es óptimo. Sólo dos jugadores podrían ser considerados para la selección de Perú: Jhoel Herrera y Edwin Retamoso.
1a fecha, 2a fase (jueves 13): Atlético-PR(BRA) 1 The Strongest(BOL) 0 Gol de Paulinho Días. Univ.de Chile(CHI) 1 Defensor Sporting(URU) 0 Gol de Gustavo Lorenzetti. Tabla grupo 1: 1. Vélez Sarsfield(ARG) 3 +1 1g 2. Atlético-PR(BRA) 3 +1 1g ------------------- 3. The Strongest(BOL) 0 -1 0g 3. Universitario(PER) 0 -1 0g Tabla grupo 2: 1. Botafogo-RJ(BRA) 3 2. Unión Española(CHI) 0 0 2. Independiente del Valle(ECU) 0 0 4. San Lorenzo de Almagro(ARG) 0 -2 Tabla grupo 3: 1. Dep.Cali(COL) 3 2. O'Higgins(CHI) 0 0 2. Lanús(ARG) 0 0 4. Cerro Porteño(PAR) 0 -1 Tabla grupo 4: 1. Independiente de Sta.Fe(COL) 3 +2 2. Atlético-MG(BRA) 3 +1 ------------------- 3. Zamora(VEN) 0 -1 4. Nacional de Asunción(PAR) 0 -2 Tabla grupo 5: 1. Real Garcilaso(PER) 3 +1 2g 2. Univ.de Chile(CHI) 3 +1 1g ----------------- 3. Cruzeiro(BRA) 0 -1 1g 4. Defensor Sporting(URU) 0 -1 0g Tabla grupo 7: 1. León(MÉJ) 3 2. Emelec(ECU) 0 0 2. Bolívar(BOL) 0 0 4. Flamengo(BRA) 0 -1 Tabla grupo 8: 1. Santos Laguna(MÉJ) 3 2. Peñarol(URU) 1 2. Dep.Anzoátegui(VEN) 1 4. Arsenal(ARG) 0 -1 Jugando los 1°s tiempos: Lanús(ARG) 0 O'Higgins(CHI) 0 Nacional de Montevideo(URU) 0 Gremio(BRA) 0 Más tarde: Atlético Nacional(COL) vs Newell's old boys(ARG) Emelec(ECU) vs Bolívar(BOL)
1a fecha, 2a fase (jueves 13): Atlético-PR(BRA) 1 The Strongest(BOL) 0 Gol de Paulinho Días. Univ.de Chile(CHI) 1 Defensor Sporting(URU) 0 Gol de Gustavo Lorenzetti. Lanús(ARG) 0 O'Higgins(CHI) 0 Nacional de Montevideo(URU) 0 Gremio(BRA) 1 Gol de Cristián Riveros. Tabla grupo 1: 1. Vélez Sarsfield(ARG) 3 +1 1g 2. Atlético-PR(BRA) 3 +1 1g ------------------- 3. The Strongest(BOL) 0 -1 0g 3. Universitario(PER) 0 -1 0g Tabla grupo 2: 1. Botafogo-RJ(BRA) 3 2. Unión Española(CHI) 0 0 2. Independiente del Valle(ECU) 0 0 4. San Lorenzo de Almagro(ARG) 0 -2 Tabla grupo 3 "de la muerte": 1. Dep.Cali(COL) 3 2. O'Higgins(CHI) 1 0 ------------------ 2. Lanús(ARG) 1 0 4. Cerro Porteño(PAR) 0 -1 Tabla grupo 4: 1. Independiente de Sta.Fe(COL) 3 +2 2. Atlético-MG(BRA) 3 +1 ------------------- 3. Zamora(VEN) 0 -1 4. Nacional de Asunción(PAR) 0 -2 Tabla grupo 5: 1. Real Garcilaso(PER) 3 +1 2g 2. Univ.de Chile(CHI) 3 +1 1g ----------------- 3. Cruzeiro(BRA) 0 -1 1g 4. Defensor Sporting(URU) 0 -1 0g Tabla grupo 6 "de la muerte": 1. Gremio(BRA) 3 2. Newell's old boys(ARG) 0 0 2. Atlético Nacional(COL) 0 0 4. Nacional de Montevideo(URU) 0 -1 Tabla grupo 7: 1. León(MÉJ) 3 2. Emelec(ECU) 0 0 2. Bolívar(BOL) 0 0 4. Flamengo(BRA) 0 -1 Tabla grupo 8: 1. Santos Laguna(MÉJ) 3 2. Peñarol(URU) 1 0 ------------------- 2. Dep.Anzoátegui(VEN) 1 0 4. Arsenal(ARG) 0 -1 Jugando los 1°s tiempos: Atlético Nacional(COL) 0 Newell's old boys(ARG) 0 Emelec(ECU) 0 Bolívar(BOL) 0
Muy buenos resultados para el fútbol chileno hoy: la U sacó adelante un partido muy cerrado, contra un equipo que limitaba muy bien los espacios y que incluso pudo haberlo ganado (Defensor). Y O'Higgins no se vió nada de mal en Buenos Aires, visitando a Lanús: ese grupo con el Cali y Cerro va a a estar apretadísimo.
Good results for the Colombian teams. 3 points each. Can't remember the last time that happened in the same week.
They're the typical team that performs well despite being very limited talent-wise. But this off season they became even less talented as their few quality players left and they brought in extremely low-budget signings. I was actually kinda pissed because I thought it was pretty irresponsible on their part to show up to a major tournament with such a shit team. Even Oblitas agrees: http://elcomercio.pe/deporte-total/...aso-segun-juan-carlos-oblitas-noticia-1709347 "En Garcilaso no hay un solo jugador que pueda ir a la selección. Si uno ve el partido de ayer, se da cuenta que tuvo un nivel promedio (el accionar de los celestes)." Which makes the win all the more amazing.
1a fecha, 2a fase (jueves 13): Atlético-PR(BRA) 1 The Strongest(BOL) 0 Gol de Paulinho Días. Univ.de Chile(CHI) 1 Defensor Sporting(URU) 0 Gol de Gustavo Lorenzetti. Lanús(ARG) 0 O'Higgins(CHI) 0 Nacional de Montevideo(URU) 0 Gremio(BRA) 1 Gol de Cristián Riveros. Atlético Nacional(COL) 1 Newell's old boys(ARG) 0 Gol de Edwin Cardona. Emelec(ECU) 2 Bolívar(BOL) 1 Goles del español Juanmi Callejón(B), Ángel Mena(E) y Fernando Giménez(E). Tabla grupo 1: 1. Vélez Sarsfield(ARG) 3 +1 1g 2. Atlético-PR(BRA) 3 +1 1g ------------------- 3. The Strongest(BOL) 0 -1 0g 3. Universitario(PER) 0 -1 0g Tabla grupo 2: 1. Botafogo-RJ(BRA) 3 2. Unión Española(CHI) 0 0 2. Independiente del Valle(ECU) 0 0 4. San Lorenzo de Almagro(ARG) 0 -2 Tabla grupo 3 "de la muerte": 1. Dep.Cali(COL) 3 2. O'Higgins(CHI) 1 0 ------------------ 2. Lanús(ARG) 1 0 4. Cerro Porteño(PAR) 0 Tabla grupo 4: 1. Independiente de Sta.Fe(COL) 3 +2 2. Atlético-MG(BRA) 3 +1 ------------------- 3. Zamora(VEN) 0 -1 4. Nacional de Asunción(PAR) 0 -2 Tabla grupo 5: 1. Real Garcilaso(PER) 3 +1 2g 2. Univ.de Chile(CHI) 3 +1 1g ----------------- 3. Cruzeiro(BRA) 0 -1 1g 4. Defensor Sporting(URU) 0 -1 0g Tabla grupo 6 "de la muerte": 1. Gremio(BRA) 3 +1 1g 1. Atlético Nacional(COL) 3 +1 1g ------------------ 3. Newell's old boys(ARG) 0 -1 0g 3. Nacional de Montevideo(URU) 0 -1 0g Tabla grupo 7: 1. León(MÉJ) 3 +1 2g 1. Emelec(ECU) 3 +1 2g ----------------- 3. Flamengo(BRA) 0 -1 1g 4. Bolívar(BOL) 0 -1 1g Tabla grupo 8: 1. Santos Laguna(MÉJ) 3 2. Peñarol(URU) 1 0 ------------------- 2. Dep.Anzoátegui(VEN) 1 0 4. Arsenal(ARG) 0 Goleadores: Wallyson(Botafogo) 4 Irven Ávila(Sporting Cristal), Paolo Goltz(Lanús) y Éderson(Atlético-PR) 2 Martes 18: Peñarol(URU) vs Santos Laguna(MÉJ) Independiente del Valle(ECU) vs Unión Española(CHI) Miércoles 19: Defensor Sporting(URU) vs Real Garcilaso(PER) Bolívar(BOL) vs León(MÉJ) O'Higgins(CHI) vs Deportivo Cali(COL) Jueves 20: Nacional de Asunción(PAR) vs Zamora(VEN) The Strongest(BOL) vs Universitario(PER)
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Tengo que reconocer que el comienzo de los clubes chilenos me sorprende: la verdad sí alguno de nuestros clubes llegan a digamos 4tos, sería tremendo acontecimiento. Por un lado la U tiene un técnico que sí bien juega al ataque, carece de experiencia. O'Higgins también busca un fútbol directo y vertical pero generalmente ese tipo de estilos no llegan muy lejos en la Libertadores (dije "generalmente"). Y por último la Unión: un caso similar a O'Higgins, que busca un fútbol de ataque pero con algo más de pausa, aunque a su favor tiene la experiencia de hace 2 años.