Copa Libertadores 2014

Discussion in 'Copa Libertadores / Sudamericana' started by JAIME CHILE, Nov 28, 2013.

  1. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
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    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    that´s what happens when players dont get their salaries for 3 months.
     
  2. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    #427 AcesHigh, Apr 10, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2014
    Flamengo has a tradition of being eliminated in the qualifying group of the Libertadores lol


    Brazil got the record this year... 3 clubs eliminated. A shame. On the other hand, these are 3 clubs that definitly do not have a good Libertadores track record.

    Last time Botafogo had qualified for a Libertadores was 1996. And they qualified now and were not paying their team salaries.

    Atletico Paranaense have a president considered mad by many. He is the president since before the dawn of times, and is more of a fan than a rational administrator you know? At the end of the brazilian league last year, when Atletico Paranaense had a very good campaign, they fired the coach that made they play well AND their best and most experienced player. Anyway, they played the Libertadores only 3 times this century and were eliminated in qualifying 2 times.

    And finally Flamengo... they do not have a good Libertadores since they won it in the 80s.

    number of brazilian clubs in the Libertadores, which ones qualified, which ones were eliminated.
    [​IMG]

    ps: most of the shields above should be straightforward for anyone with some knowledge of Brazilian football. However:
    2000 eliminated: Juventude
    2001, 2002 and 2004: São Caetano
    2003: blue shield is Paysandu
    2005 eliminated: Santo André
    2006 eliminated: Paulista Jundiaí
    2007: red shield with blue bird is Paraná Clube
    2009: red and black shield with yellow lion: Sport Recife. Considered a medium club... large fanbase, not many titles.
     
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  3. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Second year in a row we suck. What gives me hope is that with practically no coach we got 9 points last years edition and 10 now, so with a decent coach we should pass no problems.
     
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  4. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    6a(última) fecha, 2a fase (martes 8):

    San Lorenzo de Almagro(ARG) 3 Botafogo-RJ(BRA) 0
    Goles de Héctor Villalba, Ignacio Piatti e Ignacio Piatti.

    Unión Española(CHI) 4 Independiente del Valle(ECU) 5:eek:
    Goles de Matías Campos T.(UE), Daniel Angulo(I), Daniel Angulo(I), Daniel Angulo(I), Matías Campos T.(UE), autogol de Fernando León(UE), Gustavo Canales(UE, de penal), Daniel Angulo(I) y Junior Sornoza(I, de penal).

    Flamengo(BRA) 2 León(MÉJ) 3
    Goles de Franco Arizala(L), André Santos(F), Mauro Boselli(L), autogol de Ignacio González(F) y Carlos Peña(L).

    Bolívar(BOL) 2 Emelec(ECU) 1
    Goles de William Ferreira(B), Juan M. Callejón(B) y Luis Escalada(E).

    Defensor Sporting(URU) 1 Universidad de Chile(CHI) 1
    Goles de Ramón Fernández(U) y Matías Alonso(DS).

    Cruzeiro(BRA) 3 Real Garcilaso(PER) 0
    Goles de Ricardo Goulart, Bruno Rodrigo y Julio Baptista.


    Tabla grupo 1:
    1. Vélez Sarsfield(ARG) 15 (CLASIFICADO)
    2. The Strongest(BOL) 10 (CLASIFICADO):eek:

    _____________
    3. Atlético-PR(BRA) 9 (eliminado)
    4. Universitario(PER) 1 (eliminado)


    Tabla grupo 2:
    1. Unión Española(CHI) 9 (CLASIFICADA):eek:
    2. San Lorenzo de Almagro(ARG) 8 +1 (CLASIFICADO)

    _________________
    3. Independiente del Valle(ECU) 8 0 (eliminado)
    4. Botafogo-RJ(BRA) 5 (eliminado)


    Tabla grupo 3 "de la muerte":
    1. Cerro Porteño(PAR) 10 (CLASIFICADO)
    2. Lanús(ARG) 8 (CLASIFICADO)

    _____________
    3. O'Higgins(CHI) 7 0 (eliminado)
    4. Dep.Cali(COL) 7 -2 (eliminado)


    Tabla grupo 4:
    1. Atlético-MG(BRA) 9 (CLASIFICADO INVICTO)
    2. Zamora(VEN) 7:eek:
    -------------------
    3. Independiente de Sta.Fe(COL) 5 0
    4. Nacional de Asunción(PAR) 5 -3

    Tabla grupo 5:
    1. Defensor Sporting(URU) 11:eek: (CLASIFICADO)
    2. Cruzeiro(BRA) 10 +6 (CLASIFICADO)

    ___________
    3. Universidad de Chile(CHI) 10 -3 (eliminada)
    4. Real Garcilaso(PER) 3 (eliminado)


    Tabla grupo 6 "de la muerte":
    1. Gremio(BRA) 11 (CLASIFICADO INVICTO)
    2. Newell's old boys(ARG) 8
    -----------------
    3. Atlético Nacional(COL) 7
    4. Nacional de Montevideo(URU) 1 (eliminado)

    Tabla grupo 7:
    1. Bolívar(BOL) 11 (CLASIFICADO)
    2. León(MÉJ) 10 (CLASIFICADO)

    ___________
    3. Flamengo(BRA) 7 (eliminado)
    4. Emelec(ECU) 6 (eliminado)


    Tabla grupo 8:
    1. Santos Laguna(MÉJ) 13 (CLASIFICADO INVICTO)
    2. Arsenal(ARG) 9 (CLASIFICADO)

    ____________
    3. Peñarol(URU) 4 (eliminado)
    4. Dep.Anzoátegui(VEN) 2 (eliminado)



    Goleadores:
    Julio dos Santos(Cerro Porteño) 5
    Daniel Angulo(Independiente del Valle), Felipe Gedoz(Defensor Sporting), Wallyson(Botafogo), Omar Pérez(Independiente de Sta.Fe) y Juan Falcón(Zamora) 4
    ----------------------------

    Hasta este momento estarían clasificando 5 argentinos, 3 brasileños, 2 bolivianos:eek:, 2 mejicanos, 1 chileno, 1 venezolano:eek:, 1 paraguayo y 1 uruguayo.

    (en azul los clasificados y en rojo los eliminados).

    Jueves 10:
    Atlético-MG(BRA) vs Zamora(VEN)
    Nacional de Asunción(PAR) vs Independiente de Santa Fe(COL)
    Peñarol(URU) vs Deportivo Anzoátegui(VEN)
    Arsenal(ARG) vs Santos Laguna(MÉJ)
    Newell's Old Boys(ARG) vs Atlético Nacional(COL)
    Gremio(BRA) vs Nacional de Montevideo(URU)

    Oh really? Well, maybe another guy with your nickname wrote this few weeks ago:whistling:
    I know all that things. Explain it to lawsonishere.:thumbsup:
     
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  5. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I can´t explain to him because I am still unable to understand what he really meant with

    I am not sure if he was saying that Botafogo would dominate or that, IF Botafogo dominated any team in the Libertadores, that team would be worse than lower division brazilian sides. Which of course would be truth IF Botafogo dominated any team, which it didn´t.

    Botafogo is a mess. Besides not paying salaries, they lost Seedorf and some other important players AND the coach that qualified them to the Libertadores in 2013. What coach did they put in place? An inexperienced guy from the club´s own youth categories, who had never coached a professional team.



    It´s interesting to notice that the brazilian clubs who qualified are Cruzeiro and Grêmio, who have some of the best Libertadores track record in Brazil, as well as Atletico Mineiro, who did not have a good Libertadores track record until it won it last year (with a lot of luck, true), but it seems the current team acquired the experience needed.

    this is the worst Libertadores campaign by brazilian clubs since 2002, when INTERESTINGLY, Flamengo, Atletico Paranaense and Grêmio were also playing it.

    Guess the two teams that got eliminated in the group phase in 2002? Yes, Flamengo and Atletico Paranaense.

    There is a certain pattern to it, I would say.

    [​IMG]
     
  6. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Assuming Gremio and Ñuls win their home games, we're going to have:

    Argentina 5/5 (1 winner, 4 runner-ups)
    Brazil 3/6 (2 winners, 1 runner-up)
    Mexico 2/2 (1 winner, 1 runner-up)
    Bolivia 2/2 (1 winner, 1 runner-up)
    Paraguay 2/2 (1 winner, 1 runner-up)
    Uruguay 1/3 (1 winner)
    Chile 1/3 (1 winner)
    -----
    Colombia 0/3 (1 third, 2 last)
    Ecuador 0/2 (1 third, 1 last)
    Venezuela 0/2 (1 third, 1 last)
    Peru 0/2 (2 last)
     
  7. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Paraguay passes Chile in Conmebol ranking? Club team performances in Libertadores.
     
  8. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Two sh!t years for Chilean teams in the CLA.
     
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  9. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    #434 Suyuntuy, Apr 10, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2014
    Atlético Nacional jugándose la vida, y va ganando 1-0 de visita.

    PS: 1-2 still winning Atletico. Worthy end of the group phase, this match is going to be to the death.
     
  10. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    con ese arquero tan bruto de Old boys... se da la logica
    gol de un ex-DIM

    como le celebraron en su campo al equipo de banega y maxi, que humillacion tan grande!
     
  11. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    I hear you. I picked Newell's to win tonight as they were at home and as they've got several World Cup veterans: Heinze, Maxi Rodriguez... they are a solid team with experience and team chemistry. I really did not think they wouldn't advance.

    I speculate that with several players in their mid-30s, and with the exhaustion of failing to advance after the frustrating semifinal defeat last year, Newell's probably has to rebuild. They probably won't succeed in the 2015 Libertadores with a roster loaded with older players - that's assuming they qualify.
     
  12. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Es un payaso Guzmán, siempre lo fue.

    Newells siempre jugó al filo con ese tipo en el arco, y ya hace rato que está.

    Pero también perdió contra un buen equipo, che.
     
  13. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I did not see the whole Newell s game, but i am under the impression two of the goals are directly to blame on the goalkeeper.
     
  14. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    The first one definitely was. I was taken aback that a goalkeeper like Guzman who had seemed solid in the performances I happened to watch could've made such an amateurish mistake. The third goal.... it kind of reminded me a little bit of one or two of the goals from Argentina 0, Colombia 5 (no disrespect to the Argentines) from 1993.
     
  15. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    You realize Heinze didn't play last night? And Maxi Rodriguez is not just a World Cup veteran he pay going to play in Brazil this summer! and he limped off after 32 minutes, which was a huge loss.

    And you forgot Ever Banega who is also going to Brazil this summer and could start, but has has had a terrible time readjusting to South American game. Also they have David Trezeguet, who won the World Cup, and players like Bernardi and Matteo who have lots of experience.

    And Newell's will have to rebuild and it's already starting... Alfredo Berti their coach resigned after the game last night, and Heinze has already announced his retirement. He's out after this season, while Trezeguet will return to my club, as he's only on loan at Newell's. Banega is also only on loan and will probably return to Europe next season if he has a decent World Cup.

    Newell's will be a completely different side in 2 months time
     
  16. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #441 RiverGaucho, Apr 11, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2014
    My god man you are obsessed with putting Argentina down aren't you? Not one thing about that game last night reminded me of Argentina vs Colombja from 21 years ago

    And comparing Goycochea to Guzman is blasphemy

    From now on every header from a corner I see I'm gonna say reminds me of zidanes headers in the 98 World Cup final :rolleyes:
     
  17. chaski

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    Mar 20, 2000
    Itchycoo Park
    Club:
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
  18. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    #443 Century's Best, Apr 11, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2014
    Heinze was part of this year's Libertadores campaign. Last night was only one match.

    Newell's will have to rebuild? Yes, that's what I wrote.


    No, I'm not. Assuming you were here last year, I actually praised Newell's in the 2013 Libertadores when they eliminated a certain team which your team has a rivalry with (it was a PK shootout). You're just being overly sensitive. And, who mentioned Goycochea or Guzman?

    As you wish. 1998 is buried... ancient history. We earned a 5th star on our uniform since then. ;)
     
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  19. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Pal, this is a LIBERTADORES (South American Cup) thread... and you are Argentinean and you apparently LIVE in Argentina.

    Why the hell are you refering to the World Cup, which starts in June and ends in July as THIS SUMMER??

    It´s winter for god´s sake! If you lived in the northern hemisphere and this thread was about some northern hemisphere competition, I am ok with saying "this summer", because you are refering to the season which is going to be where you and most of the people in the thread live.

    But in this thread, and for us, the World Cup happens THIS winter.
     
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  20. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    only the first one?

    I re-watched the goals and now I think ALL THREE goals were his fault!!! Newell's should have won this game if the goalkeeper wasn´t so bad.

    1st goal: the defenders also were to blame for returning the ball to the goalkeeper. Defenders should NOT do that unless they know the goalkeeper is GOOD with his feet (like Rogério Ceni or Manuel Neuer). Even so, he should had kicked the ball immediately instead of what he did

    2nd goal: he took AGES to fall. Poor reflexes and positioning.

    3rd goal: imho, bad mistake too. Goalkeepers should NOT go to the edge of the box IF there are defenders marking the attackers. And there WAS a Newells defender marking the attacker. That attacker would have to kick from far away and from a bad angle, or would have to dribble the Newell´s defender (and risk other´s arriving to help). Instead, the goalkeeper went to the edge of the box and made it easier for the Atletico Nacional attacker, who instead of needing a difficult kick from far away that would be probably saved, could just lobby the ball over goalkeeper and defender!

    Look... what the ******** was he doing there???

    Until the Atletico Nacional was able to take control of that ball, there would be ONE and most probably TWO Newells defenders in front of him!!!
    [​IMG]






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    btw, it´s a shame he commited such blunders in the most important game, because this same goalkeeper operated some miracles in the matches against Grêmio (our own goalkeeper Marcelo Grohe also did some impressive saves... both goalkeepers were some of the best players, in both Gremio-Newells matches).
     
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  21. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    The first goal Guzman was too nonchalant and Trellez's Hustle was rewarded.
    The second goal was a good counter attack and Sherman Cardenas slotted home a nicely placed goal.
    The third goal he was caught coming out and being too aggressive but that was a spectacular finish by Berrio who usually misses things like that. Not to mention that was a great pass by Cardenas.
     
  22. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I still think his reaction was VERY slow... he took too long to fall. He COULD have done that save.


    he was not caught coming out. He was in the middle of the box when the play started, he could have gone back to the goal instead of doing such a mistake as going to the edge of the box.

    this is a thing you learn at Goalkeeper class number 2: only go to the edge of the box to face an attacker mano a mano, as a LAST resort, when you are the last defender and yourself need to block the attacker´s angles. DO NOT do it if there are defenders able to help.

    THIS is when the goalkeeper can (and must) go face mano-a-mano the attacker, on the edge of the box


    the attacker had ALREADY dribbled past the last defender, is going straight to the goal (with good striking angle) and the other defender is running behind and will never catch him.


    sorry, you can say the 2nd goal was maybe not his fault, but the 1st and 3rd definitly were.

    if not for him, Newell's would have at least TIED the game, and qualified.
     
  23. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Hmmm.... that close to the Equator the difference between summer and winter, in most places, is the size of the raindrops.
     
  24. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    The most frustrating thing for those who support Newell's Old Boys is that this team showed quality in the group stage. They were oftentimes better than Grêmio during the first half at Porto Alegre and obliterated Nacional by 4 goals to none in Uruguay. This is why I mentioned rebuilding - it reminds me of those NBA teams that are very good, are title contenders, peak, but have consecutive playoff disappointments, and eclipse. Their best chances for a title were last year and this year. If as was said earlier they will be a totally different team in 2 months, unless it's an overhaul that maintains the team's competitiveness, the team may not contend for the Libertadores in 2015.

    And I never expected a mistake like the one that generated Atl.-Nacional's first goal from a team like NOB.
     
  25. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    6a(última) fecha, 2a fase (jueves 10):

    Atlético-MG(BRA) 1 Zamora(VEN) 0
    Gol de Jô.

    Nacional de Asunción(PAR) 3 Independiente de Santa Fe(COL) 2
    Goles de Wilder Medina(I), Julián Benítez(N), Freddy Bareiro(N), Wilder Medina(I, de penal) y Silvio Torales(N).

    Peñarol(URU) 1 Deportivo Anzoátegui(VEN) 1
    Goles de Héctor Silva(P) y Edwin Aguilar(DA).

    Arsenal(ARG) 3 Santos Laguna(MÉJ) 0
    Goles de Emilio Zelaya, Mariano Echeverría y Marc Crosas.

    Newell's Old Boys(ARG) 1 Atlético Nacional(COL) 3:eek:
    Goles de Santiago Tréllez(AN), Sherman Cárdenas(AN), Milton Casco(NEW) y Orlando Berrío(AN).

    Gremio(BRA) 1 Nacional de Montevideo(URU) 0
    Gol de Hernán Barcos(de penal).


    Tabla grupo 1:
    1. Vélez Sarsfield(ARG) 15 (CLASIFICADO)
    2. The Strongest(BOL) 10 (CLASIFICADO):eek:

    _____________
    3. Atlético-PR(BRA) 9 (eliminado)
    4. Universitario(PER) 1 (eliminado)


    Tabla grupo 2:
    1. Unión Española(CHI) 9 (CLASIFICADA):eek:
    2. San Lorenzo de Almagro(ARG) 8 +1 (CLASIFICADO)

    _________________
    3. Independiente del Valle(ECU) 8 0 (eliminado)
    4. Botafogo-RJ(BRA) 5 (eliminado)


    Tabla grupo 3 "de la muerte":
    1. Cerro Porteño(PAR) 10 (CLASIFICADO)
    2. Lanús(ARG) 8 (CLASIFICADO)

    _____________
    3. O'Higgins(CHI) 7 0 (eliminado)
    4. Dep.Cali(COL) 7 -2 (eliminado)


    Tabla grupo 4:
    1. Atlético-MG(BRA) 9 (CLASIFICADO INVICTO)
    2. Nacional de Asunción(PAR) 8 (CLASIFICADO)

    ____________
    3. Zamora(VEN) 7
    4. Independiente de Sta.Fe(COL) 5
    :eek:

    Tabla grupo 5:
    1. Defensor Sporting(URU) 11:eek: (CLASIFICADO)
    2. Cruzeiro(BRA) 10 +6 (CLASIFICADO)

    ___________
    3. Universidad de Chile(CHI) 10 -3 (eliminada)
    4. Real Garcilaso(PER) 3 (eliminado)


    Tabla grupo 6 "de la muerte":
    1. Gremio(BRA) 14 (CLASIFICADO INVICTO)
    2. Atlético Nacional(COL) 10 (CLASIFICADO)

    ______________
    3. Newell's old boys(ARG) 8 (eliminado)
    4. Nacional de Montevideo(URU) 1 (eliminado)


    Tabla grupo 7:
    1. Bolívar(BOL) 11 (CLASIFICADO)
    2. León(MÉJ) 10 (CLASIFICADO)

    ___________
    3. Flamengo(BRA) 7 (eliminado)
    4. Emelec(ECU) 6 (eliminado)


    Tabla grupo 8:
    1. Santos Laguna(MÉJ) 13 (CLASIFICADO INVICTO)
    2. Arsenal(ARG) 12 (CLASIFICADO)

    ____________
    3. Peñarol(URU) 5 (eliminado)
    4. Dep.Anzoátegui(VEN) 3 (eliminado)



    Goleadores:
    Julio dos Santos(Cerro Porteño) 5
    Gustavo Canales(U.Española), Jô(Atlético-MG), Ricardo Goulart(Cruzeiro), Felipe Gedoz(Defensor Sporting), Junior Sornoza y Daniel Angulo(Independiente del Valle), Wallyson(Botafogo), Omar Pérez(Independiente de Sta.Fe), Luis Escalada(Emelec) y Juan Falcón(Zamora) 4
    ----------------------------

    Clasificaron 4 argentinos, 3 brasileños, 2 bolivianos:eek:, 2 paraguayos, 2 mejicanos, 1 chileno, 1 colombiano y 1 uruguayo.
     

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