Copa Libertadores 2013

Yañez · Feb 14, 2013

Bien Huachipato, totalmente inesperado que muy muy bien Nery Veloso volvió a demostrar porque fue considerado un gran arquero en un momento.

MetroChile · Feb 14, 2013

Que yo recuerde en el último tiempo, no se me viene a la mente un momento en el cual la hinchada de Colo Colo haya levantado al equipo al punto de revertir un resultado adverso. Quizás estabas pensando en la decada de los 90s?

Yañez · Feb 14, 2013

Ahora sólo amenzana y raptan a los jugadores.

JAIME CHILE · Feb 14, 2013

¿Cuántos dólares/euros se gastó el Gremio en contratar a tantos jugadores a los que sólo les queda el nombre, pero que futbolísticamente fueron incapaces de empatarle en su propio país a uno de los 3 PEORES EQUIPOS DE CHILE EN LA ACTUALIDAD como Huachipato?

Felicitaciones a Huachipato por este triunfo histórico para ellos en Brasil, especialmente a Veloso, a Contreras, a Labrín, a Muñoz, a Crovetto, a Sandoval y a Rodríguez.

Este domingo volverán a su realidad, con una nueva derrota a manos de Cobreloa

JAIME CHILE · Feb 14, 2013

Tablas:

Grupo 1:
1. Toluca(MÉJ) 3
2. Barcelona(ECU) 1
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2. Nacional(URU) 1
4. Boca Jrs.(ARG) 0

Grupo 4:
1. Peñarol(URU) 3 +1 2g
2. Emelec(ECU) 3 +1 1g
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3. Iquique(CHI) 0 -1 1g
4. Vélez Sarsfield(ARG) 0 -1 0g

Grupo 7:
1. Newell's old boys(ARG) 3 +2 3g
2. Universidad de Chile(CHI) 3 +2 2g
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3. Olimpia(PAR) 0 -2 1g
4. Lara(VEN) 0 -2 0g

Grupo 8:
1. Huachipato(CHI) 3 +1 2g
2. Fluminense(BRA) 3 +1 2g
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3. Gremio(BRA) 0 -1 1g
4. Caracas(VEN) 0 -1 0g

Century's Best · Feb 14, 2013

JAIME CHILE said: ↑

¿Cuántos dólares/euros se gastó el Gremio en contratar a tantos jugadores a los que sólo les queda el nombre, pero que futbolísticamente fueron incapaces de empatarle en su propio país a uno de los 3 PEORES EQUIPOS DE CHILE EN LA ACTUALIDAD como Huachipato?
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Throwing a bunch of all-stars into a roster doesn't make it into a well-oiled machine overnight.

Boca Juniors' market value, in Brazilian Reais, is 144.4 million. I speculate Toluca's market value is less. Yet Toluca calmly came back from a 0-1 deficit and a wasted PK to masterfully win at Boca's stadium - and the Toluca is currently ranked 15th in the Torneo Clausura of Mexico. Above it are teams famous from the northern border w/ Arizona and Texas all the way to Tierra del Fuego for their continental copeira tradition: Morelia, Queretaro, and Puebla (sarcasm intended). Granted, Toluca did win the last Torneo Apertura, but rankings-wise, Toluca is one of the four worst teams in Mexico's first division.

Grêmio definitely has an uphill battle now as it visits Fluminense in Rio for its next Libertadores engagement, but don't count them out yet. The Copa has just begun.

Suyuntuy · Feb 14, 2013

Keep in mind that some teams lose focus on their league just to make a good role in the Libertadores. Happens all the time, in particular with teams with a small squad. So no reason to be surprised teams that are doing badly on their league sometimes start better than the favorites.

Lucas... · Feb 14, 2013

Scocco...

JAIME CHILE · Feb 14, 2013

The Strongest(BOL) 2 Arsenal(ARG) 1
Goles de Alejandro Chumacero(TS), Darío Benedetto(A) y Luis Melgar(TS).

Tabla grupo 3:
1. The Strongest(BOL) 3 +1 2g
1. Atlético MG(BRA) 3 +1 2g
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3. Sao Paulo(BRA) 0 -1 1g
3. Arsenal(ARG) 0 -1 1g

Palmeiras 2 Sporting Cristal 1
Goles Henrique(P), Carlos Lobatón(SC, de penal) y Patrick M.Vieira(P).

Bolivianfuego · Feb 14, 2013

Solo vi el GOLAZO de Chumita!!

HeartandSoul · Feb 14, 2013

Century's Best said: ↑

Throwing a bunch of all-stars into a roster doesn't make it into a well-oiled machine overnight.

Boca Juniors' market value, in Brazilian Reais, is 144.4 million. I speculate Toluca's market value is less. Yet Toluca calmly came back from a 0-1 deficit and a wasted PK to masterfully win at Boca's stadium - and the Toluca is currently ranked 15th in the Torneo Clausura of Mexico. Above it are teams famous from the northern border w/ Arizona and Texas all the way to Tierra del Fuego for their continental copeira tradition: Morelia, Queretaro, and Puebla (sarcasm intended). Granted, Toluca did win the last Torneo Apertura, but rankings-wise, Toluca is one of the four worst teams in Mexico's first division.

Grêmio definitely has an uphill battle now as it visits Fluminense in Rio for its next Libertadores engagement, but don't count them out yet. The Copa has just begun.
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I think you're mixing up Toluca with recent Mexican winners Tijuana. Toluca in the Mexican division has easily been one of the best in quite some time.

HeartandSoul · Feb 14, 2013

Century's Best said: ↑

Oh, I remember that game. I was so incensed by Cuauhtémoc Blanco's antics that I went to a forum in the Mexico forums and trash-talked him. I wasn't warmly received. As for Bofo and Brazilians, well, in 2006 my SPFC eliminated Bofo and his team. He trashed-talked, and Diego Lugano trash-talked back (a bit easier, probably, since he's Uruguayan and speaks Spanish). That elimination of Chivas was particularly memorable given Chivas defeated SPFC in Morumbi thereby breaking many years of international invincibility at home. SPFC returned the favor by winning in Mexico and in Brazil.

Additionally, no one said Bofo is an angel. Benitez spat on Bofo, that's disgusting, reprehensible, and antithetical to fair play. You don't disagree, do you?... or would you express dislike only if the player getting spat on was Chilean?
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Disgusting? Yes

Still doesn't excuse the fact that he's an a$$, and you'll find those everywhere in the world.

For anyone that hasn't noticed. The 2010 final of the Libertadores ended in a fight. The 2011 final ended in a fight, the 2012 Sudamericana final ended at HALF TIME due to a fight.......The common denominator is that each of those finals involved Brazilian teams. Should I blame Brazilians for causing that? Of course not.
Should I blame Mexicans, Argentines, and Uruguayans? Definitely won't either. I don't find the need or see the reason to start blaming specific countries for this sort of behavior when these incidents transcend national borders.

Century's Best · Feb 14, 2013

HeartandSoul said: ↑

I think you're mixing up Toluca with recent Mexican winners Tijuana. Toluca in the Mexican division has easily been one of the best in quite some time.
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Scroll down to "Tabla General."

Century's Best · Feb 14, 2013

HeartandSoul said: ↑

Disgusting? Yes

Still doesn't excuse the fact that he's an a$$, and you'll find those everywhere in the world.

For anyone that hasn't noticed. The 2010 final of the Libertadores ended in a fight. The 2011 final ended in a fight, the 2012 Sudamericana final ended at HALF TIME due to a fight.......The common denominator is that each of those finals involved Brazilian teams. Should I blame Brazilians for causing that? Of course not.
Should I blame Mexicans, Argentines, and Uruguayans? Definitely won't either. I don't find the need or see the reason to start blaming specific countries for this sort of behavior when these incidents transcend national borders.
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Um, I didn't blame any nationalities. I simply stated the facts as to how Chivas' players were unnecessarily and wrongfully treated at that stadium, all the more by the person who was the coach of the local team and as such should have set an example of sportsmanship.

Suyuntuy · Feb 14, 2013

Toluca es un Diablo Viejo. Equipo de tradición.

En copas internacionales, la tradición pesa, y el nombre vale. Boca como que se esperabe otro equipo mediopelo como León o Xolos. En México, Chivas, Pachuca, Toluca, América son equipos antiguos. A los viejitos se les respeta.

HeartandSoul · Feb 14, 2013

Century's Best said: ↑

Scroll down to "Tabla General."
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I wouldn't look too much into their current slump, they regularly are very competitive and appear in the final stages of the Mexican tournie.

HeartandSoul · Feb 14, 2013

Century's Best said: ↑

Um, I didn't blame any nationalities. I simply stated the facts as to how Chivas' players were unnecessarily and wrongfully treated at that stadium, all the more by the person who was the coach of the local team and as such should have set an example of sportsmanship.
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No, you didn't explicitly blame nationalities . My responses are more directed toward the other posters that perceived your original post in a certain way and immediately started pointing fingers.

Century's Best · Feb 14, 2013

HeartandSoul said: ↑

I wouldn't look too much into their current slump, they regularly are very competitive and appear in the final stages of the Mexican tournie.
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And that's why I noted that Toluca is the reigning champion of Mexico's league - my point was that if current league rankings are that a categorical for a team's caliber, as you alluded to re: Huachipato's win in Porto Alegre, then Toluca being the fourth worst ranked team in Mexico's top division right now should make Boca and its fans feel all the worse for their defeat at home against Toluca.

Century's Best · Feb 14, 2013

HeartandSoul said: ↑

No, you didn't explicitly blame nationalities . My responses are more directed toward the other posters that perceived your original post in a certain way and immediately started pointing fingers.
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Well, I don't respond for them. I did writer earlier I love mixing up meats and beers during the summer and I had a friendly experience w/ an Argentine man who gave me a blood sausage sandwich. And earlier on I wrote a post that was positively repped by an Argentine poster here - a post in which I said that the ugly shenanigans that at times we see involving Argentine teams does not reflect the entirety of that country's soccer tradition.

Latin Pride · Feb 15, 2013

Now I see what pissed Candia off at the end.

http://www.abc.com.py/deportes/futbol/candia-me-dijo-negro-de-m-539160.html

Urutti is a cvnt, can't wait for the return game in Paraguay.

Sandinista · Feb 15, 2013

Santista1962 said: ↑

Ha!

I hope he doesn't expect a lot to happen in Argentina from this. Learn that getting mad about every single thing animals like them would say or do will never have an end and go about your way.

But also keep your dignity and refuse to trade jerseys and compliments i.e. Ramsey in 1966. Now I understand why he did so.

And the hits just keep on coming...in their culture, there is no such thing as being a professional. And if I have to explain that to anyone, I suggest you start learning about the sport now.
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From the same article:

El defensor dijo que es la primera vez que le pasa esto ya que jugó cinco años en el fútbol de Argentina. “Es la primera vez que me pasa esto, en Argentina jugué cinco años y nunca me dijeron nada, dentro de la cancha podes decir lo que quieras pero discriminar ya es mucho”, aseguró.
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chaski · Feb 15, 2013

Santista1962 said: ↑

You're stupid.
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Santista1962 said: ↑

Ha!

I hope he doesn't expect a lot to happen in Argentina from this. Learn that getting mad about every single thing animals like them would say or do will never have an end and go about your way.

But also keep your dignity and refuse to trade jerseys and compliments i.e. Ramsey in 1966. Now I understand why he did so.

And the hits just keep on coming...in their culture, there is no such thing as being a professional. And if I have to explain that to anyone, I suggest you start learning about the sport now.
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Latin Pride · Feb 15, 2013

Santista1962 said: ↑

Ha!

I hope he doesn't expect a lot to happen in Argentina from this. Learn that getting mad about every single thing animals like them would say or do will never have an end and go about your way.

But also keep your dignity and refuse to trade jerseys and compliments i.e. Ramsey in 1966. Now I understand why he did so.

And the hits just keep on coming...in their culture, there is no such thing as being a professional. And if I have to explain that to anyone, I suggest you start learning about the sport now.
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While I do agree that Argentina overall has a much higher level of racism compared to other South American countries, you can't group all Argentines on the same boat.

Candia himself said he played in Argentina for 5 years and never had that happen to him before. And as far as Urruti, I'm sure he will get his when he goes to Paraguay for the return leg, the Olimpia hinchas will eat him alive.

Suyuntuy · Feb 16, 2013

RiverGaucho said: ↑

So you combat racism with.... racism.

No one is defending Urruti or similar acts, but how may I ask is labeling all Argentines as "animals" any different or better?
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Y, a lo mejor tiene razón. Yo soy medio Argentino, y mi mujer me dice que soy un animal en la cama.

BTW, if anyone wants to watch the games, the archive in RojaDirecta is going to be complete this year. Los que saben, saben como llegar allí. No les gusta que se les enlace.

Suyuntuy · Feb 16, 2013

Y las listas ya están casi completas. A excepción de la lista de Xolos. Todos los equipos han cumplido con los 30 jugadores requeridos, a excepción de Tigre y Garcilaso (sólo 25), Strongest (27), Tolima (28) y Huachipato (29).

http://www.conmebol.com/export/site...Listas_Copa_Bridgestone_Libertadores_2013.pdf