Copa America 2019 : Japan U22 vs Ecuador

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Samurai Warrior, Jun 20, 2019.

  1. takeuchi

    takeuchi Member+

    Jan 20, 2013
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    i personally believe this is a lot of work for Moriyasu. i think he should either be U23 manager for Olympics or senior NT manager. Olympic prep & WCQs.. yikes. if he plans to use one team for both, it is understandable but he is .. atm, working with two teams. it is a difficult balancing act imo... a gamble i personally dislike.

    edit - btw, Kawashima for 2020 Olympics plz as one of the overage player.
     
  2. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Good!
     
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  3. yamatoship

    yamatoship Member

    Jun 25, 2019
    A Korean is trolling here after their WC and Asian Cup early exits?

    Kubo's market value is underrated because he has never played in Europe. The Transfermarkt is too Euro centric.

    Fact 1 ) Lee has never played for South Korea's senior NT
    Fact 2 ) Na Sang Ho, a South Korea senior NT player who plays the same position as Lee, was Kubo's back-up in the J-League
    Fact 3 ) Accordiing to stats site, Kubo created more chances per game than Iniesta in the J-League
     
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  4. Samurai Warrior

    Samurai Warrior Member+

    Dec 2, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Troussier did the same in 2002 WC cycle, even though there was no WCQ.

    I think JFA is doing this in purpose, becuase the core squad that was representing Japan in the last decades (3 consecutive WCs), is aging, and JFA needs a coaching staff which is well aware of the Olympic team and younger generations to integrate younger players gradually into the senior team.

    One of the problems which JNT and even some other senior NTs are suffering from is the failure of integrating younger players into the senior squad for 2 obvious reasons:

    1- Hierarchy among senior team, which blocked the path of younger players (this was obvious when Nakajima was left out from the 2018 WC squad, and it was also obvious for other NTs in the same WC when Leroy Sane was left out of Germany’s squad).
    2- The manager (head coach) of the senior team does not have direct coaching of the younger players, which makes him unaware of their shortcomings, their ability to adapt to senior team tactics, and their ability to cope with the intensity of international football.

    You can imagine that: Hasebe, Honda, and Okazaki all won’t be able to contribute to the senior NT by 2022, and to a lesser extent: Kawashima, Yoshida, Kagawa, and Nagatomo, then you need a new-look senior NT.

    That is why -in my opinion- Moriyasu is sticking with the likes of Doan and Minamino regardless of their form, as they are supposedly viewed among the core members of the foreseeable future NT squad. However, this Copa America experiment gave some young faces an opportunity to prove themselves worthy of a spot in the senior NT (Itakura, Miyoshi, Iwata, and Kubo), while others (Nakayama and Hara) failed miserably.
     
  5. yamatoship

    yamatoship Member

    Jun 25, 2019
    I know it's a bit hard for you to accept this result, but our U22 did pretty well with limited preparation. FYI, Mexico's 2012 Olympic gold medalists lost all three games at the 2011 Copa America.


    https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1361406/Live/International-Copa-America-2019-Ecuador-Japan

    Kubo's rating was head and shoulders above the rest of the Japanese players too on Whoscored.

    Kubo and Tomiyasu are our treasures. Personally, I'm more impressed by Tomiyasu. I've never seen a Japanese footballer with that athletic ability. Maybe the Japanese FA is slowly starting to steal talented kids from baseball.
     
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  6. takeuchi

    takeuchi Member+

    Jan 20, 2013
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    i obviously see the reason behind Moriyasu managing both... as you stated above. however, i think it would have been better if they came up with a system to allow integration & promotion of new players to senior NT instead of overloading the work to one guy.

    WCQs, AFC U23 tournament, WCQs, Olympics...

    again, it is a big gamble imo. i guess we will know if it was worth it after 2020 Olympics... and in 2022 WC.
     
  7. Interiores

    Interiores Member

    BVB Dortmund
    Japan
    Jun 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    You were just disgracing yourself by being an idiot, mate:ROFLMAO:.
    It's not like that we're being raped every single match by fielding a bunch of U22 players. Imagine if it was Korean A-team. What would we've got from them? Countless redundant passing, clumsy defending, and yet again an underwhelming display from your beloved "The very best sidekick in the whole universe" Heung-min Son?
     
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  8. Interiores

    Interiores Member

    BVB Dortmund
    Japan
    Jun 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Couldn't agree more with this. As Yokouchi Akinobu also part of Moriyasu coaching staff, i think a tactical integration was not an issue. Not very sure about U-20 under Kageyama, though. But as far as i can see, they've played a roughly same brand of football. The intensity could be different because of certain skillset of the players though, but i think, It's more of Olympic project is far too big for Moriyasu to abandon. I'm speaking about his CV here.
     
  9. Whispered11

    Whispered11 Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Rome, Italy
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    This.

    To have five clear chances in 90' of play, you have to be talented. And that kind of talent can't be teached.
     
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  10. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Can the art of scoring goals be teached?
     
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  11. Interiores

    Interiores Member

    BVB Dortmund
    Japan
    Jun 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    It's incredible that Ueda manage to get a 5 clear goal scoring opportunity, by far the most profilic in CA, sadly he missed all of them. Well playing beside Kubo and Shibasaki when his head is clear help a lot, but couldn't blame him too much, stepping up from college level football to a continental level football overnight is a very outrageous thing to do, i think the biggest challenge is -well, i can't phrase it well as English is not my forte- the time window to take the decision is far more narrow in a continental level football.
     
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  12. Whispered11

    Whispered11 Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Rome, Italy
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I think you can improve and be more precise, but positioning and space-awareness... no, I think they're within you from the start.
     
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  13. teioh

    teioh Member+

    Apr 17, 2012
    Mute before watch:

     
  14. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Ueda is talented no doubt. But right know just frustrating to watch.
     
  15. Gordon1995

    Gordon1995 Member+

    Oct 3, 2013
    Like I said, Yuma Suzuki used to be like that as well. Koki Ogawa also used to be even more wasteful than he is now too. Hopefully, he can improve in time. He has pretty good off-the-ball movement.
     
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