Copa América: USA 2016 [R]

Discussion in 'Copa América Centenario 2016' started by Paul Calixte, May 1, 2014.

  1. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Now that it's official, let's use this thread to talk about the tournament set-up, qualifiers, etc.

    First: I can't help but reiterate that I really, really hope this 10+6 format becomes the norm for 2019 onward.

    Having said that, there are still plenty of questions about this tournament, such as:

    - Will FIFA will render it an official tournament for both confederations or (as I suspect) only CONMEBOL? If it is the latter case, CONCACAF countries will be unable to demand their best players from Europe (those clubs could always voluntarily give up their players, since they would be in the off-season).

    - How will the groups be set up? The US will likely get a top seed as a host; would the pots then be set up based on FIFA rankings? If so, the pots would currently be:

    Pot 1

    USA
    Colombia
    Uruguay
    Argentina

    Pot 2

    Brazil
    Chile
    Mexico
    Ecuador

    Pot 3

    Honduras*
    Costa Rica*
    Panama*
    Venezuela

    Pot 4

    Peru
    Paraguay
    Bolivia
    Trinidad and Tobago*

    One expects that Brazil would move up to Pot 1 after the World Cup, but there's a chance they or Argentina could be floating around in Pot 2 for an instant Group of Death.

    - How will the two qualifiers from the Gold Cup be determined? ...no clue. :confused:

    - Where will the games be played? My guess is almost entirely in NFL stadiums with grass placed down for the tournament. A list of practical shoe-ins:

    • Miami
    • LA
    • Chicago
    • Dallas-Arlington
    • NY/NJ
    • Boston-Foxboro
    • DC or Baltimore

    Beyond that, here's to Florida getting two venues (Miami-Orlando or Miami-Tampa), in which case I'm aiming to go to every game possible.

    - Where will the Final be played? I can't see anyone other than LA, NY or Miami doing the honors.

    Lastly, here's an update on the qualifying process:

    - The 2014 Copa Centroamericana will take place in September in the US, with the following groups:

    Group A

    Honduras
    El Salvador
    Guatemala
    Belize

    Group B

    Nicaragua
    Costa Rica
    Panama

    The top two in each group move on to the semifinals (and now towards a Copa América berth for the winner), while the third-placers head to a fifth-place game...with the winner of that facing off against the 5th-place finisher in the Caribbean Cup for the last spot in the Gold Cup.

    [​IMG] - The Caribbean Cup will run from qualifiers this month to the finals in Jamaica in November. The top four qualify straight to the Gold Cup, while the 5th-place finisher will go to the playoff with their Central American counterpart.

    2016 Copa América Centenario qualifiers

    1. Uruguay
    2. Argentina
    3. Brazil
    4. Paraguay
    5. Peru
    6. Bolivia
    7. Colombia
    8. Chile
    9. Ecuador
    10. Venezuela
    11. Mexico
    12. USA
     
  2. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Apparently the top four teams from the 2015 Gold Cup not already qualified will be paired 1 v. 4, 2 v. 3 for playoffs to determine the last two in.
     
  3. Chesco United

    Chesco United Member+

    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Country:
    United States
    Awesome. Should be a great tournament.
     
  4. PaulieJay

    PaulieJay Member

    Sep 10, 2013
    Iowa, United States
    Club:
    Wolverhampton Wanderers
    Country:
    United States
    Well, obviously if they stick with this format going forward and sticking with their post-WC quadrennial format (2015, 2019, etc), how will that mesh with the Gold Cup? NT's can't really send their "A" team to both in one summer and presumably the Gold Cup is the only way to figure out who qualifies in those 4 remaining spots.
     
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  5. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Country:
    Croatia
    Awesome, if all goes well, I'll be there in person to watch it. :D

    Now, I hope this marks end of the Gold Cup. NAM teams should now start playing CA qualifiers.
     
  6. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Not going to happen: CONCACAF has to send a team to the Confederations Cup, and the Gold Cup is still a massive money-maker (not on the scale of what this Copa América could be).

    And my guess is that if we keep collaborating on the Copa América, the Gold Cup could get bumped back a year (e.g. 2020 instead of 2019), rendered a quadrennial event and problem solved.
     
  7. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Pachuca, Hidalgo
    Club:
    Club América
    Country:
    Mexico
    pretty much all the teams are going to send C teams.
     
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  8. Paul Calixte

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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    Not necessarily: we'll see how FIFA decides to handle the tournament, but they had no problem putting the African Cup of Nations on their calendar for back-to-back years (2012-13). Besides, in all honesty, I think Brazil is the only country in the hemisphere that would rather send its best players to the Olympics than the Copa América...and that simply because they've never won Gold.

    On another note: if CONCACAF and CONMEBOL make this a permanent arrangement, then in order to appease Nicaragua, Belize and the smaller Caribbean countries that need extra games, they could continue to play the Copa Centroamericana and the Caribbean Cup every two years, under the arrangement that if one team wins both editions, they qualify directly to the Copa América; if there are different champions, they then play off for the respective "Central American" and "Caribbean" berths.
     
  9. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    You also have to consider World Cup qualifying though. If the CONMEBOL sticks to their long Marathon qualifying tournament then those summer matches will take priority over this special Copa America.

    B teams and C teams could be the residual result.
     
  10. MLSFan10

    MLSFan10 Member

    Mar 23, 2014
    This is why I think this tournament should be held in 2017, before or after the Confederations Cup.
     
  11. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    But there are qualifiers that summer too. Plus a South American team (or two) in the Confederations Cup itself that would see that tournament as the priority.
     
  12. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Pachuca, Hidalgo
    Club:
    Club América
    Country:
    Mexico
    Teams are going to bring their best players 2 years in a row.............I don´t see it. I don´t think they will care what fifa says.
     
  13. themightymagyar

    Aug 25, 2009
    Indianapolis
    Country:
    United States
    I think that completely defeats the purpose of this edition of the tournament from the South American point of view. The first Copa took place in 1916, not 1917.
     
  14. MLSFan10

    MLSFan10 Member

    Mar 23, 2014
    Big deal, you can commemorate the fact in 2017 better than 2016. That's the bottom line.
     
  15. Dominican Lou

    Dominican Lou Member+

    Nov 27, 2004
    1936 Catalonia
    Meh.

    It's a nice little tourney, I guess. I just hope its format isn't permanent and that its results aren't counted towards the all-time stats of the"regular" Copa America.
     
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  16. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    I'll bite: what don't you like about it?
     
  17. Rivaldinho

    Rivaldinho Member

    Jan 26, 2003
    Perhaps, but they might send B teams to the 2015 Copa and save the A teams for this tournament.
     
  18. Blue_nation724

    Blue_nation724 Member+

    Mar 16, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Country:
    El Salvador
    Or maybe CONCACAF teams send their A teams while CONMEBOL send a B squad? There are alot of big tournaments coming up, its doubtful teams will want to risk their players
     
  19. Dominican Lou

    Dominican Lou Member+

    Nov 27, 2004
    1936 Catalonia
    Because it distorts the nature of the tournament. Every confederation has their own, members-only championship and for South America it's Copa America. This amalgamation of two confederations is ok, but it's not Copa America.

    And yes, I'm also against Mexico and the other guest team that's been added on for the last couple of decades.
     
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  20. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
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    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    everything about Copa 2016 sucks and furthermore the way we invite guests to our continental comp also sucks

    sucks big time


    that is all
     
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  21. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Nope.

    Especially since the one in Chile in 2015 determines a Confederations Cup slot.
     
  22. Rivaldinho

    Rivaldinho Member

    Jan 26, 2003
    The Confed Cup is not that important. Brazil and Argentina have sent B squads to Copa Americas that have determined the Confed Cup spot.
     
  23. Rivaldinho

    Rivaldinho Member

    Jan 26, 2003
    The OFC Cup? Isn't it a bit of a joke anyway?
     
  24. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
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    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    the Copa America

    would not know about OFC cup never seen a game of that tournament
     
  25. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Country:
    United States
    ...back when the Copa América and the Confederations Cup happened way too often. Now that each is only once every World Cup cycle (2016 notwithstanding), "A squads" are the norm.
     

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