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  1. Teso Dos Bichos

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    #1526 Teso Dos Bichos, Mar 18, 2017
    All timers? :ROFLMAO:

    Nope.
     
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  2. The Jitty Slitter

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    #1527 The Jitty Slitter, Mar 18, 2017
    i still fondly remember the days I would visit my local in north london to watch Pires and Vieira vs Scholes and Keane

    Now we get to see Ramsey vs Fellaini :ROFLMAO:
     
  3. JamesA

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    #1528 JamesA, Mar 18, 2017
    For their generation? I would agree on that. Notably as a complimentary unit.
     
  4. Sofabloke

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    #1529 Sofabloke, Mar 18, 2017
    Dont get the relavance - since when has just a midfield won / dominated the league?

    To win (let alone dominate) the league needs strength in all departments - manager/GK/defenders/strikers/subs.
     
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  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    #1530 The Jitty Slitter, Mar 18, 2017
    Alonso is a spanish all timer
    Ditto Gerrard in the english context
    Masch is more debateable - but would walk into any current EPL team
     
  6. JamesA

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    #1531 JamesA, Mar 18, 2017
    I do think mf is where the quality drop at the top is most visible.

    That stretches beyond this league too. That and df.
     
  7. Sofabloke

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    #1532 Sofabloke, Mar 18, 2017
    During the SAF EPL years it was usually us plus one other - Blackburn, then Newcastle, then Arsenal, then Chelsea, then City. Concentration of strength in a couple of teams.

    End of 90s and 00s us, Chelsea and Arsenal competitive in Europe as money / power concentrated in fewer teams.

    The league as a whole is now richer so taken as a whole stronger, so the differences in quality between the teams is less. Top six are all rich / strong but means quality is more spread out.

    Other leagues have concentration in a couple of teams. If you take the top 6 you could probably put two high quality starting 11s together that could compete in Europe and with some of the historical teams.

    So is going to be harder to dominate the EPL (as Mou said) but doesnt mean the individual EPL teams compare well to the teams of the past or the top teams in Europe as diluted.
     
  8. cr7torossi

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    #1533 cr7torossi, Mar 18, 2017
    lol @ needing all timers throughout the field to win the league as a serious comment with Leicester as the defending champions and Chelsea running away with the league.

    Torres at Liverpool was better than any current premium league striker. As was Carragher at CB.
     
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  9. Sofabloke

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    #1534 Sofabloke, Mar 18, 2017
    Nobody said all timers throughout the field - you made that up then argued against it :)

    Lol @ your love of Torres and Carragher as your top all timers ;)
     
  10. Ashur

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    #1535 Ashur, Mar 18, 2017
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    No one is, nor should really argue against the fact that the Prem is currently in a lull and has been weaker than in recent years. That partly explains why English clus have performed so poorly in Europe since the turn of the decade.
    And sure, the 2008/09 Pool team was very strong: another fact well known. The fact that it pushed us almost all the way to the finish, with a great back and forth battle until well in April of that season, is clear proof of that (a super fun, yet stressful season it was).
    A completely different level in terms of quality, one that I wholeheatedly believe is on the way back slowly but surely for reasons that we've already gone over.
     
  11. cr7torossi

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    #1536 cr7torossi, Mar 18, 2017
    lol @ thinking Vardy and Huth or Costa and Cahill are better than Torres and Carragher. And that's after ignoring the midfield completely.
     
  12. Sofabloke

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    #1537 Sofabloke, Mar 18, 2017
    Lol @ making things up then arguing against them ;)
     
  13. cr7torossi

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    #1538 cr7torossi, Mar 18, 2017
    lol @ claiming that the level of title winning teams is higher and then backpedaling furiously
     
  14. Teso Dos Bichos

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    #1539 Teso Dos Bichos, Mar 18, 2017
    lol @ how bored you all are
     
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  15. Sofabloke

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    #1540 Sofabloke, Mar 18, 2017
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    Lol @ inaccurately stating (making up) other peoples claims ;)
     
  16. gatekeeper2

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    #1541 gatekeeper2, Mar 18, 2017
    I don't think anyone here seriously argues that the top tier of English clubs today compare favorably to United at its peak under Ferguson, Chelsea at its peak under Mourinho or Arsenal at its peak under Wenger -- all 5-15 years ago.

    Without having a shred of proof to support it, I do believe the middle tier of EPL table club is stronger today than it was 5-15 years ago. I haven't thought about the bottom third but my guess is that today's bottom third is slightly stronger today than then.
     
  17. cr7torossi

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    #1542 cr7torossi, Mar 18, 2017
    The premium league does this to us with its uber competitiveness. Chelsea are only 13 points ahead.
     
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  18. Teso Dos Bichos

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    #1543 Teso Dos Bichos, Mar 18, 2017
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    None of the accepted top tier teams in Europe are not "as good" as they once were because most are approaching the end of a cycle or going through a transition.


    Edit: If we move beyond England to Spain you have both Ronaldo and Messi winding down, Bayern are not as good as when they had Robben and Ribery on the flanks, Juventus are very good defensively but are functional not spectacular, etc.

    It is basically a period between generations as the old guard are gone or winding down and the new guard are not quite in their prime.
     
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    #1544 United 16, Mar 19, 2017
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    #1545 Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10, Mar 20, 2017
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    #1546 jeff070, Mar 20, 2017
    He needs to start using our youth and rotate. I expected Mensah/Shaw to have already been involved.
     
  22. TitoTata

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    #1547 TitoTata, Mar 28, 2017
    Shaw is apparently in talks with Spurs , Danny Rose off to ManCity .
     
  23. TitoTata

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    #1548 TitoTata, Mar 28, 2017
    Why are ManU so interested in Naymar when they supposedly want Griezeman ( spelling ) so badly ??
     
  24. United 16

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    #1549 United 16, Mar 28, 2017
    and what do we get?
     
  25. Professor Brainfart

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    #1550 Professor Brainfart, Mar 28, 2017
    Gaël Clichy, or Aleksandar Kolarov obviously... :ROFLMAO:
     
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