Confederations Cup: Portugal Vs Mexico; July 2, 2017

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  1. Miguel Myers

    Miguel Myers Member+

    Dec 3, 2011
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    HH, O Cigano
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  2. Special_talent23

    Real Sociedad
    Mexico
    Mar 26, 2017
    Herrera jugo bien hoy, le metio bastante ganas, me parece que fue el que mas corrio siendo de los jugadores que mas minutos de juego tuvo durante el torneo.

    Casi mete un golazo de bolea en los minutos finales.

    En fin, que lastima que Osorio haya tirado a la basura este torneo y haya exhibido a los jugadores por su soberbia y sus pateticas locuras, teniamos para dar mas.
     
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  3. Lukato

    Lukato Member+

    Sep 7, 2012
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Necesitas ir a un psicologo la neta, estas traumado.
     
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  4. JoseEmidio

    JoseEmidio Member+

    Dec 6, 2009
    London
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    The tear beneath his eye was only for you ;)
     
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  5. verde-rubro

    verde-rubro Member+

    C.S.Maritimo + Liverpool FC
    Portugal
    Jan 15, 2005
    LONDON
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    spot on every one does it
     
  6. Special_talent23

    Real Sociedad
    Mexico
    Mar 26, 2017
  7. Special_talent23

    Real Sociedad
    Mexico
    Mar 26, 2017
    Tu estas traumado, se habla de futbol, tu de que hablas? Jaja la neta das risa pero que esperar de un fanboy de Martinoli.
     
  8. Miguel Myers

    Miguel Myers Member+

    Dec 3, 2011
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
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  9. Special_talent23

    Real Sociedad
    Mexico
    Mar 26, 2017
    Del HH?
     
  10. Miguel Myers

    Miguel Myers Member+

    Dec 3, 2011
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    la pagina es "FCportoGlobal"
     
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  11. JoseEmidio

    JoseEmidio Member+

    Dec 6, 2009
    London
    Club:
    SL Benfica
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    They say 3rd place does not matter but for Portugal finishing 3rd in the way that we did with a injury time equalizer and the winning goal from a penalty after we missed the last four adds a bit of shine. If Mexico had held on it would in my opinion change this tournament from a ok/bad one to a ok/good, the same applies for Portugal. Hopefully we both make the WC, see you there... Btw our golden generation also never won a major tournament but the next one did, hang in there...:thumbsup:
     
  12. Emigomez

    Emigomez Red Card

    Dec 15, 2012
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico

    We always get love from the Portuguese , you guys are awesome
     
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  13. Hugo Sanchez

    Hugo Sanchez Member+

    Aug 21, 2003
    MEX2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Damn.

    La Mara Salvatrucha has infiltrated Portugal's national team.
     
  14. Emigomez

    Emigomez Red Card

    Dec 15, 2012
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    #564 Emigomez, Jul 2, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2017
    And you are saying we can succeed without improving our league first?

    Squad depth is the most important thing in having a successful team, look at Germany. If they made a C team it would be competitive. Lets say we get 4 world star players like Chile has, that wont mean anything if the subs coming in are @ Gio's physique.

    As a professional athlete there are many things out of your control but there is no excuse for not being in the best shape they can be . Every season Mexicans transfer over and have to spend a few months in the weight room...Yet we aim for world champions...

    The argument i get from you is "dont waste our players in liga mx they will rot there". I feel we have alot of talent here just lack of discipline all over the spectrum. I may even go as far as to say we have very talented players here we continuously showcase our great youth products with all the youth tournaments we are so successful in..

    The federation needs to step up

    4 players can get you 2 copa Americas but it didnt get you the confederations and i bet they will not win the world cup. Those 4 players of that golden lucky generation retire and where is the depth?
     
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  15. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    Like I said, your analysis is terrible. Nobody is saying that the league shouldn't improve. Of course it should especially in the development of players. But the fact is that as much as it can improve, it's not going to be as strong as the top euro leagues. It can only grow so far economically. Thus the strategy of sending players to europe is the right one, it's just that the volume has to increase in order for it to be enough to challenge the world powers.

    Also what does it have to do with size? Wasn't Spain the last powerhouse before Germany with a team full of average sized players. They even beat Germany twice (2008,2010).
     
  16. Emigomez

    Emigomez Red Card

    Dec 15, 2012
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    #566 Emigomez, Jul 2, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2017
    Im not talking about height, im talking about being in shape. A good example is Chile, they are short players who all can stand next to Euro players toe to toe because they have good discipline and keep in shape. This isnt a short vs tall argument, when you look back to the Spaniard team that won the world cup they had players in very good shape all of them. You think players like Iniesta r Xavi are weak because they look little? Barcelona had many small players you think they didnt train hard to keep in shape? Why do you think players like Dani Alves play in top euro teams during retirement age?

    Those are the players who become champions, sure they are more skilled but they also work very hard to stay in shape. Germans are known to be disciplined and hard workers. Liga MX and the Federation need to step their physical training intensity.

    And I never once said that the league should be at the level of European clubs, I said that there is no excuse as to why we are not doing physical training as strictly as they are unlike you i dont think height matters it shouldnt stop one from being in shape. If we enforced the same intensity of physical training that europeans do I argue we would export dozens more youth abroad... Win win for everyone

    How the hell do you think our volume will increase if we dont try to at minimum get on their physical training intensity level? That's one of the few things in our control is hard work.This is our best generation of all time to participate in Euro Clubs and we can barely field an 11 man team of euro players.

    You keep parroting that going abroad is the best solution but this is the things also being said to those very same players who are currently abroad struggling:
    What do you think is the best solution ? To keep crossing fingers waiting for players to go abroad? You are the typical Mexican, negative attitude not looking for solution instead complaining about everything
     
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  17. Levante

    Levante Member+

    Jul 28, 2001
    Estos son tus muestras?

    Marquez ya cobra IMSS y ni juega. De Los otros tres, se requiere personalidad y no la tienen.Viste a Vela riendose con Los Rusos temprano en ese partido?

    No todos pueden tener el liderazgo de un Beckenbauer, Stoichkov, or Robbie Keane, pero por Dios que se acerce uno de estos tres y que le digan a Vela que se meta en plse partido.... y que Los demas se Pongan Los huevos bien puestos. No pueden por que less falta..... y el talento Los tres (Guardado... ya esta acabadito) lo tienen....pero tambien ya tienen sindrome de "estrellitas."
     
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  18. SoDamnSmooth

    SoDamnSmooth Red Card

    Oct 17, 2007
    NJ
    Club:
    Bayer 04 Leverkusen
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Who besides Argentina has a Messi? Messi and Ronaldo are out of this world lol that's asking a lot
     
  19. Hugo Sanchez

    Hugo Sanchez Member+

    Aug 21, 2003
    MEX2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Food for thought:

    Aun asi no han ganado Mundial.

    Y bien que cagamos a nuestros Chicharos, Memos y Velas.

    Bola de cangrejos.
     
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  20. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    What the hell are you talking about? Do you really think those Chileans in the NT went to Europe in that physical shape from Chile? Have you seen pictures of Alexis or Vidal when they were in Colo Colo? Why is it good enough for Chilean players to go to Europe and develop there but not Mexican players?

    If your point isn't that players aren't tall enough like Spain but strong, then I don't know what's any different from Mexico except that you really believe that Mexicans are just too scrawny and that's why they don't go to Europe, which is wrong especially if they go young enough.

    Mexican players have always been talented to go to Europe, they just never did and don't have the track record to justify being bought to the level of Brazil and Argentina and yet they have been doing so recently which is the way to change this. Same thing for other CONMEBOL teams that aren't Argentina and Brazil. The increase in physical strength is not as bad as the lack of development in Mexico or the greediness from directivos in transferring players.

    And those Mexican players aren't struggling. Just because they haven't done great things in a global scale, doesn't mean they are struggling and that it's a bad idea to send as many players to europe as possible.


    The best solution is to send more players to Europe and give more opportunities in the local league to young players so they can leave. You're the typical Mexican who complains about things and then when he goes to give the solutions they are even worse and shows that the person has no clue what he's talking about.
     
  21. El_Huero

    El_Huero Member+

    Dec 21, 2009
    EduarDitto "The Pelé of Anal"
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    #culpadelayun
     
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  22. Special_talent23

    Real Sociedad
    Mexico
    Mar 26, 2017
    Viejo, lo primero que se debe de solucionar en la liga mexicana es hacerla realmente mexicana, que solo permitan 3 extranjeros por equipo, que obliguen a usar el talento juvenil como sucede en Venezuela (tienen una regla que obliga a todos los equipos a usar un jugador menor de 20 años), que activen la cantera de todos los equipos.

    Mientras ni siquiera los mexicanos confíen en ellos mismos en el futbol seguiremos donde hemos estado los últimos 30 años.
     
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  23. Emigomez

    Emigomez Red Card

    Dec 15, 2012
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    #573 Emigomez, Jul 3, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2017
    Yes...Chile has over 30 players currently playing in Europe, of those 30 18 play in the first league in Spain, England, Italy, Germany, and Portugal and they still chose to only bring 8 euro players into their 23 man A team. in that 23 man A team you got 6 players from the Chilean league 6 from Liga MX and 3 from Brazil/argentina league.

    Does it matter though? Our players should always be ready to compete vs euro level type of play if they ever intend to reach for a good trajectory in a world cup. Whether Chileans do it or not we need to find ways to improve. Simply going to Europe is not a right solution , we need to focus on HOW to send more to Europe and more importantly not just how but also what to do to ensure they succeed over there. We really need to stop with the follower mentality, copying argentinians, chileans, and brazilians wont work for us.

    Again, yes. They have always been very top notch physical players the same discipline that players like Chicharito have.

    How though? You keep repeating that
     
  24. Special_talent23

    Real Sociedad
    Mexico
    Mar 26, 2017
    ¿Que chilenos juegan en la primera de Portugal? En los tres grandes no hay ninguno.

    Aranguiz tuvo una pesima temporada con el Leverkusen, al igual que Vargas que tiene años dando vergüenza en Europa y lo mismo con Tigres.

    Chile no tiene recambio generacional, en cuanto bajen de nivel Vidal y Alexis estaran en serio peligro, no por nada varios de sus jovenes juegan en la patetica liga mexicana, si fueran tan buenos estarian en Europa.

    Mexico necesita:

    -Eliminar el exceso de extranjeros.
    -Confiar en los jovenes y darle mas oportunidad.
    -Enviar mas jugadores a Europa.
     
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  25. Emigomez

    Emigomez Red Card

    Dec 15, 2012
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    #575 Emigomez, Jul 3, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2017
    No estoy de acuerdo contigo

    Se dice que si se llegara a reducir el número de extranjeros, el futbol mexicano tendría más jóvenes promesas, se exportaría más jugadores a Europa, y el nivel de la selección nacional incrementaría . Yo opino que con hacer eso de limitar mas a los extranjeros solo bajaria el nivel de juego en la liga MX.

    Hoy en dia tenemos mas extranjeros que en cualquier otro tiempo e igual tenemos mas mexicanos jugando en europa q nunca... estamos repletos de extranjeros y aun las Chivas triunfan
     

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