CONCACAF Champions League Coefficient

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  1. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I wanted to elaborate on the reasoning behind only giving club points to teams in the group stages, and I'll do it with a hypothetical.

    Last year, the four Mexican clubs earned a total of 92.5 points for their country. Pretend that happens again in the future, but one of the teams goes out in the prelims, and that drops the Mexican total to, say, 68. Because club coefficients are partially determined by the national coefficient, a team that went out after two matches, potentially losing both, would, if club points were given to teams in the preliminary round, earn 5.61 points. For losing two matches, they don't deserve anything.

    Plus, giving points for prelim matches without including them in an average would give an unfair advantage in the club coefficient to those playing in the preliminary round.

    I hope that's a satisfactory explanation. :cool:

    Now, to more important matters...(and to make this work with hotlinking: Toronto FC and D.C. United)


    After 2010-11 Group Stage, Matchday 1

    Code:
    League Coefficient              
    
    Nation         2008-09   2009-10   2010-11   Overall   
    Mexico          19.500    23.125     6.250    48.875
    Honduras        12.750     8.333     4.167    25.250  
    Canada          16.500     0.500     7.500    24.500   
    CFU              9.167     8.000     3.833    21.000   
    Panama           9.250     7.000     1.667    17.917  
    United States    4.625     8.375     4.625    17.625
    Guatemala        5.000     6.000     2.250    13.250
    El Salvador      5.250     3.500     3.500    12.250
    Costa Rica       5.750     3.167     2.250    11.167
    Nicaragua        0.500     0.000     0.000     0.500
    Belize           0.000     0.000     0.000     0.000
                    
                    
    Club Coefficient
               
    Club         2008-09    2009-10   2010-11    Overall
    Cruz Azul    23.4167    29.6313    2.0833    55.1313
    UNAM         16.4167    22.6313    0.0000    39.0480
    Marathon     14.2500    13.7500    3.3889    31.3889
    Pachuca       0.0000    28.6313    0.0000    28.6313
    Toluca        0.0000    22.6313    3.0833    25.7146
    Atlante      25.4167     0.0000    0.0000    25.4167
    Puerto Rico  17.0556     5.6400    2.2778    24.9734
    Santos       19.4167     0.0000    4.0833    23.5000
    Houston      10.5417     7.7638    0.0000    18.3055
    Montreal     16.5000     0.0000    0.0000    16.5000
    Saprissa      8.9167     5.0450    0.7500    14.7117
    Columbus      0.0000    10.7638    3.5417    14.3055
    Olimpia      10.2500     0.0000    2.3889    12.6389
    D.C. United   2.5417     9.7638    0.0000    12.3055
    Arabe Unido   0.0000    10.3100    0.5556    10.8656
    Comunicaciones0.0000     9.9800    0.0000     9.9800
    Tauro         9.0833     0.0000    0.0000     9.0833
    L.A. Firpo    7.7500     0.0000    0.0000     7.7500
    W Connection  0.0000     7.6400    0.0000     7.6400
    Municipal     6.6667     0.0000    0.7500     7.4167
    Real Espana   0.0000     6.7500    0.0000     6.7500
    Joe Public    5.0556     0.0000    1.2778     6.3334
    San Francisco 5.0833     0.0000    0.0000     5.0833
    Toronto FC    0.0000     0.0000    4.5000     4.5000
    Monterrey     0.0000     0.0000    4.0833     4.0833
    Real Salt Lake0.0000     0.0000    3.5417     3.5417
    Isidro Metapan0.0000     3.1550    0.0000     3.1550
    SJ Jabloteh   0.0000     2.6400    0.0000     2.6400
    FAS           0.0000     0.0000    2.1667     2.1667
    Seattle       0.0000     0.0000    1.5417     1.5417
     
  2. GoodDead

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    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Code:
                    
    Club Coefficient
               
    Club         2008-09    2009-10   2010-11    Overall
    Cruz Azul    23.4167    29.6313    2.0833    55.1313
    UNAM         16.4167    22.6313    0.0000    39.0480
    Marathon     14.2500    13.7500    3.3889    31.3889
    Pachuca       0.0000    28.6313    0.0000    28.6313
    Toluca        0.0000    22.6313    3.0833    25.7146
    Atlante      25.4167     0.0000    0.0000    25.4167
    Puerto Rico  17.0556     5.6400    2.2778    24.9734
    Santos       19.4167     0.0000    4.0833    23.5000
    Houston      10.5417     7.7638    0.0000    18.3055
    Montreal     16.5000     0.0000    0.0000    16.5000
    Saprissa      8.9167     5.0450    0.7500    14.7117
    Columbus      0.0000    10.7638    3.5417    14.3055
    Olimpia      10.2500     0.0000    2.3889    12.6389
    D.C. United   2.5417     9.7638    0.0000    12.3055
    Arabe Unido   0.0000    10.3100    0.5556    10.8656
    Comunicaciones0.0000     9.9800    0.0000     9.9800
    Tauro         9.0833     0.0000    0.0000     9.0833
    L.A. Firpo    7.7500     0.0000    0.0000     7.7500
    W Connection  0.0000     7.6400    0.0000     7.6400
    Municipal     6.6667     0.0000    0.7500     7.4167
    Real Espana   0.0000     6.7500    0.0000     6.7500
    Joe Public    5.0556     0.0000    1.2778     6.3334
    San Francisco 5.0833     0.0000    0.0000     5.0833
    [B]Toronto FC    0.0000     0.0000    4.5000     4.5000[/B]
    Monterrey     0.0000     0.0000    4.0833     4.0833
    Real Salt Lake0.0000     0.0000    3.5417     3.5417
    Isidro Metapan0.0000     3.1550    0.0000     3.1550
    SJ Jabloteh   0.0000     2.6400    0.0000     2.6400
    FAS           0.0000     0.0000    2.1667     2.1667
    Seattle       0.0000     0.0000    1.5417     1.5417

    I see. You put the total together twice instead of having .5000 and 4.0000 beside each other
     
  3. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    No no, check Canada's coefficient for 2009-10, not Toronto's.
     
  4. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    in that case explain this:
    Code:
    Club Coefficient
               
    Club         2008-09    2009-10   2010-11    Overall
    
    Toronto FC    0.0000     [B]0.0000    4.5000[/B]     4.5000
     
  5. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Toronto's coefficient is 2 points for their group stage win, plus 1/3 of Canada's coefficient for the year. Canada's coefficient is 7.5 - 1.5 for Toronto's prelim results, 4 bonus points for making the group stages, and 2 for Toronto's win over Cruz Azul. 1/3 of 7.5 is 2.5, 2 + 2.5 = 4.5.
     
  6. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is right, I forgot about the rule that teams must make the groups to get on the board, Toronto had never made the group so they had no points until this year.
     
  7. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    2009-10 has zero points is what I have been trying to get at.
     
  8. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Right. Because Toronto didn't make the group stages in 2009-10, they weren't eligible to get any points for their club coefficient.
     
  9. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As ArsenalMetro said, Toronto did not participate in the group stage in 2009-2010 so they get no points.
     
  10. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    ahhhh I missed that.
     
  11. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    After 2010-11 Group Stage, Matchday 2

    EDIT for coding purposes: Toronto FC and D.C. United.

    Code:
    League Coefficient              
    
    Nation         2008-09   2009-10   2010-11   Overall   
    Mexico          19.500    23.125     8.250    50.875
    Honduras        12.750     8.333     4.167    25.250  
    Canada          16.500     0.500     7.500    24.500   
    CFU              9.167     8.000     4.833    22.000   
    Panama           9.250     7.000     2.333    18.583  
    United States    4.625     8.375     4.625    17.625
    Guatemala        5.000     6.000     2.750    13.750
    El Salvador      5.250     3.500     3.500    12.250
    Costa Rica       5.750     3.167     3.250    12.167
    Nicaragua        0.500     0.000     0.000     0.500
    Belize           0.000     0.000     0.000     0.000
                    
                    
    Club Coefficient
               
    Club         2008-09    2009-10   2010-11    Overall
    Cruz Azul    23.4167    29.6313    4.7500    57.7980
    UNAM         16.4167    22.6313    0.0000    39.0480
    Marathon     14.2500    13.7500    3.3889    31.3889
    Pachuca       0.0000    28.6313    0.0000    28.6313
    Toluca        0.0000    22.6313    5.7500    28.3813
    Puerto Rico  17.0556     5.6400    4.6111    27.3067
    Santos       19.4167     0.0000    6.7500    26.1667
    Atlante      25.4167     0.0000    0.0000    25.4167
    Houston      10.5417     7.7638    0.0000    18.3055
    Saprissa      8.9167     5.0450    3.0833    17.0450
    Montreal     16.5000     0.0000    0.0000    16.5000
    Columbus      0.0000    10.7638    3.5417    14.3055
    Arabe Unido   0.0000    10.3100    2.7778    13.0878
    Olimpia      10.2500     0.0000    2.3889    12.6389
    D.C. United   2.5417     9.7638    0.0000    12.3055
    Comunicaciones0.0000     9.9800    0.0000     9.9800
    Tauro         9.0833     0.0000    0.0000     9.0833
    Municipal     6.6667     0.0000    1.9167     8.5834
    L.A. Firpo    7.7500     0.0000    0.0000     7.7500
    Joe Public    5.0556     0.0000    2.6111     7.6667
    W Connection  0.0000     7.6400    0.0000     7.6400
    Real Espana   0.0000     6.7500    0.0000     6.7500
    Monterrey     0.0000     0.0000    6.7500     6.7500
    San Francisco 5.0833     0.0000    0.0000     5.0833
    Toronto FC    0.0000     0.0000    4.5000     4.5000
    Real Salt Lake0.0000     0.0000    3.5417     3.5417
    Isidro Metapan0.0000     3.1550    0.0000     3.1550
    SJ Jabloteh   0.0000     2.6400    0.0000     2.6400
    FAS           0.0000     0.0000    2.1667     2.1667
    Seattle       0.0000     0.0000    1.5417     1.5417
     
  12. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hopefully the USA can jump to 4th after this year.
     
  13. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First off, great work and many thanks for doing it. Much appreciated by myself and many others.

    I would like to make two suggestions. One in relation to country coefficients. And one of lesser importance regarding team coefficients.

    I couldn't help noticing your method is closely modeled on UEFA's method of calculation.

    http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/calc.html

    I always found one item in their computation odd, and it is mirrored here, but it has been adjusted. I think for the better, and I think we should do likewise.

    Here it is: 4 bonus points for Group Stage Qualification, but only 1 point each for subsequent rounds. Getting OUT of group should be worth more than getting INTO group. Especially since half the teams in group got there automatically (I'm not sure if they get the bonus points or not). Even if they don't, getting OUT is more impressive than getting in, period.

    As such, UEFA in 2010 is awarding 5 bonus points for getting out of group (reaching the first KO stage). Then 1 for the QF, SF, and F.

    I think we should do likewise. In our case, it would be 5 bonus points for reaching the QF, then one additional for the SF and F.

    I think it makes logical sense as it is harder to get out of group than get in. And, it will more accurately reflect the strength of the confederations. I think confederations that consistently send teams into the final eight should be rewarded. I think the current system underrates confederations with one really strong team (say, Costa Rica).

    UEFA didn't make any retroactive changes, just applied them to this year onward (I think). We should mirror it.

    ---------------------------

    The second idea is that there should be some reward for clubs for progressing through qualification. UEFA doesn't count the individual match results into the country coefficient for qualifying matches, and neither do you. I think that is the right call.

    However, UEFA does include a bonus for getting through each qualifying round of the competition. The rounds where a bonus is not given are CL rounds where losing teams parachute into the Europa League.

    Since we have no Europa league, I think there should be a (small) bonus given to team that progress through qualifying (UEFA gives .50 and 1.0 for Q1 and Q2 in CL, and anywhere from .25 to 2.0 for Europa League).

    As teams get 4 points for making group, I'd say .50 of a point (or 1.0) would be OK for making the lone Q Round.

    Lastly, on the team side, I'd note UEFA has reduced the country coefficient part to 20% this year, so it is what the team earned + 20% of the country coefficient, not 33% as in year's past.

    This change may also help alleviate some of the disadvantage of giving team points to teams that make the QR.
     
  14. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Could work, the Issue would be that teams already get points for wins and ties in the group play.

    So if Monterrey wins all six games they get 16 points 4 (group bonus) + 2*6.

    Second place would get let’s say they win 3 games and draw 1. 4+1+2*3= 11 points.

    Third place lets say gets 2 wins and 1 draw; 4+1+2*2= 9 points.

    Last place gets 0.

    In the current system the top 2 teams would also get 1 extra point even if they lose both qualifying games correct, so it would end:

    1. 17
    2. 12
    3. 9
    4. 0

    In your system (new UEFA)

    1. 21 (or is it 22)
    2. 16 (17)
    3. 9
    4. 0

    is this right?
     
  15. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My understanding was that I was proposing two things: (and I'm sorry if I didn't do a good job explaining):

    1) First: a change in the number of poinsts awarded to a team for getting OUT of group from 1 to 5. So that the bonus for getting out of group is bigger than getting in.

    2) Second: awarding a bonus to each team for getting to the QR (either .5 or 1 pt). Since teams don't accrue points for match wins in the QR, I thought there should be some benefit (mainly to the team but also to the confederation) for qualifying. And a team that went through QR to get to group would also have more points than a team that went directly to group (by one).

    Certainly, the team deserves some points (to distance itself from others that didn't qualify) inside it's own confederation, and I think teams that go through an extra round should get more points than those that simply went straight to group. I guess such points could be excluded from the coefficient ranking, but I don't think UEFA does it that way.

    ----------------

    So, in your scenario:

    1. Monterrey: six wins = 2*6 = 12. Plus 4 pts for group QUAL, plus +5 for KO qual = 21. No points for making it to Qual rounds, as they went straight to group and got 4 points for that.

    2. Second place: 3 W, 1 D, 2 L = 7 pts, + 4 pts (Gr Qual bonues) + 5 for KO Qual = 16 pts. Now, if they were a team that qualified directly to group, then that would be it. If they went through QR, they'd get the additional proposed 1pt/.5 pt for qualifying for QR. I like 1 pt better, but either way. So they'd have 16 or 17, depending on the route they took to get there. Let's say its Peurto Rico, or some such, and they get the 17 points.

    3. Third place. 2 W, 1 D, 3 L = 5 pts + 4 for Group qual = 9. That would be it, unless they were a team that went through QR, then they'd also get the 1 pt for QR qual. For our purposes, let's say they were a direct qualifier for group, so they get no bonus points for QR qualification, nor do they get any for KO qual. So they would stay at 9.

    4. Last place. 6 losses = zero points + 4 for Group qual = 4. Any additional points would be given if they went through QUAL to get there. In this scenario, since we already have two teams who got to group directly, then this team must have went through the QR, and so they'd get a point for qualification to the QR, and bump themselves to 5.

    Essentially, the extra point is just for qualifying for the tournaments QR, as opposed to the four the automatic group qualifiers get, or any team gets for making group. But teams that went through QR and then made group would have an extra point (5 instead of 4 + whatever they earn from their group matches). And teams that made QR but failed to get to the group stage would still get 1 point (but no point for their QR matches).

    ---------------------------------------------------------------

    So, in any 4 team group, you'd have:

    1. Team 1: Direct to group (Mexican champ) = 4 pts (Group Qual bonus) + GR match pts + KO bonus (5) if they make it.

    2. Team 2: Direct to group (USA champ) = 4 pts (Group qual bonues) + GR match pts + KO bonus (5) if they make it.

    3. Team 3: Qual Round (Hon 2nd) = 1 pt (Qual Rd bonus) + 4 pts (Group Qual bonus) + GR match points + KO bonus (5) if they make it.

    4. Team 4: Qual Round (Can 1st) = 1 pt (Qual Rd bonus) + 4 pts (Group Qual bonus) + GR match points + KO bonus (5) if they make it.

    -------------------------

    Plus, you'd have the two losers in the QR for that group (and all the others):

    5. Teams 5 & 6: Qualification Round losers (CFU 3, Belize 1) = 1 pt (Qual Rd bonus). That's it, no points for wins or draw in the QR.

    I don't know what (if any) the net effect would be on the confederation side of things, since all confederations with teams in would all have a team in the QR. Certainly, the team coefficients would be impacted some.

    Though it is possible that a confederation like Canada could earn an automatic group bid, but since they have no domestic league, stay at 1 bid. Or one year Nicaragua could pass the stadium check and get a team in that doesn't advance, and Belize didn't. I'd think the Nicaraguan confed would deserve to be above Belize in the rankings.
     
  16. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    After 2010-11 Group Stages, Matchday 3

    Big move - USA jumps past Panama into 5th overall. Still a ways to go to catch the CFU, but with the performances of Salt Lake and Columbus comparing well with those of the Caribbean teams, it's definitely possible.

    Code:
    League Coefficient              
    
    Nation         2008-09   2009-10   2010-11   Overall   
    Mexico          19.500    23.125    10.000    52.625
    Honduras        12.750     8.333     4.833    25.917  
    Canada          16.500     0.500     7.500    24.500   
    CFU              9.167     8.000     4.833    22.000   
    United States    4.625     8.375     5.625    18.625
    Panama           9.250     7.000     2.333    18.583  
    Guatemala        5.000     6.000     3.250    14.250
    El Salvador      5.250     3.500     3.500    12.250
    Costa Rica       5.750     3.167     3.250    12.167
    Nicaragua        0.500     0.000     0.000     0.500
    Belize           0.000     0.000     0.000     0.000
                    
                    
    Club Coefficient
               
    Club         2008-09    2009-10   2010-11    Overall
    Cruz Azul    23.4167    29.6313    7.3333    60.3813
    UNAM         16.4167    22.6313    0.0000    39.0480
    Marathon     14.2500    13.7500    3.6111    31.6111
    Toluca        0.0000    22.6313    8.3333    30.9646
    Pachuca       0.0000    28.6313    0.0000    28.6313
    Santos       19.4167     0.0000    8.3333    27.7500
    Puerto Rico  17.0556     5.6400    4.6111    27.3067
    Atlante      25.4167     0.0000    0.0000    25.4167
    Saprissa      8.9167     5.0450    5.4167    19.3784
    Houston      10.5417     7.7638    0.0000    18.3055
    Columbus      0.0000    10.7638    5.8750    16.6388
    Montreal     16.5000     0.0000    0.0000    16.5000
    Olimpia      10.2500     0.0000    4.6111    14.8611
    Arabe Unido   0.0000    10.3100    2.7778    13.0878
    D.C. United   2.5417     9.7638    0.0000    12.3055
    Comunicaciones0.0000     9.9800    0.0000     9.9800
    Municipal     6.6667     0.0000    3.0833     9.7500
    Monterrey     0.0000     0.0000    9.3333     9.3333
    Tauro         9.0833     0.0000    0.0000     9.0833
    L.A. Firpo    7.7500     0.0000    0.0000     7.7500
    Joe Public    5.0556     0.0000    2.6111     7.6667
    W Connection  0.0000     7.6400    0.0000     7.6400
    Real Espana   0.0000     6.7500    0.0000     6.7500
    Real Salt Lake0.0000     0.0000    5.8750     5.8750
    San Francisco 5.0833     0.0000    0.0000     5.0833
    Toronto FC    0.0000     0.0000    4.5000     4.5000
    Isidro Metapan0.0000     3.1550    0.0000     3.1550
    SJ Jabloteh   0.0000     2.6400    0.0000     2.6400
    FAS           0.0000     0.0000    2.1667     2.1667
    Seattle       0.0000     0.0000    1.8750     1.8750
     
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  17. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    After 2010-11 Group Stage, Matchday 4

    Movement:

    - Costa Rica jumps past El Salvador into 8th, by virtue of the Saprissa win that I forgot to add to Costa Rica's coefficient last week
    - Puerto Rico goes past Santos Laguna
    - Columbus over MLS rival Houston
    - Olimpia over Montreal
    - Municipal and Monterrey over Comunicaciones
    - Joe Public past L.A. Firpo
    - Real Salt Lake moves past Real Espana, W Connection, L.A. Firpo, and Joe Public
    - Toronto FC past San Francisco
    - FAS past San Juan Jabloteh and Isidro Metapan

    Code:
    League Coefficient              
    
    Nation         2008-09   2009-10   2010-11   Overall   
    Mexico          19.500    23.125    10.750    53.375
    Honduras        12.750     8.333     6.167    27.250  
    Canada          16.500     0.500     8.500    25.500   
    CFU              9.167     8.000     5.167    22.333   
    United States    4.625     8.375     6.625    19.625
    Panama           9.250     7.000     2.333    18.583  
    Guatemala        5.000     6.000     4.250    15.250
    Costa Rica       5.750     3.167     4.250    13.167
    El Salvador      5.250     3.500     4.000    12.750
    Nicaragua        0.500     0.000     0.000     0.500
    Belize           0.000     0.000     0.000     0.000
                    
                    
    Club Coefficient
               
    Club         2008-09    2009-10   2010-11    Overall
    Cruz Azul    23.4167    29.6313    8.5833    61.6313
    UNAM         16.4167    22.6313    0.0000    39.0480
    Marathon     14.2500    13.7500    6.0556    34.0556
    Toluca        0.0000    22.6313    8.5833    31.2146
    Pachuca       0.0000    28.6313    0.0000    28.6313
    Puerto Rico  17.0556     5.6400    5.7222    28.4178
    Santos       19.4167     0.0000    8.5833    28.0000
    Atlante      25.4167     0.0000    0.0000    25.4167
    Saprissa      8.9167     5.0450    5.4167    19.3784
    Columbus      0.0000    10.7638    8.2083    18.9721
    Houston      10.5417     7.7638    0.0000    18.3055
    Olimpia      10.2500     0.0000    7.0556    17.3056
    Montreal     16.5000     0.0000    0.0000    16.5000
    Arabe Unido   0.0000    10.3100    2.7778    13.0878
    D.C. United   2.5417     9.7638    0.0000    12.3055
    Municipal     6.6667     0.0000    5.4167    12.0834
    Monterrey     0.0000     0.0000   11.5833    11.5833
    Comunicaciones0.0000     9.9800    0.0000     9.9800
    Tauro         9.0833     0.0000    0.0000     9.0833
    Real Salt Lake0.0000     0.0000    8.2083     8.2083
    Joe Public    5.0556     0.0000    2.7222     7.7778
    L.A. Firpo    7.7500     0.0000    0.0000     7.7500
    W Connection  0.0000     7.6400    0.0000     7.6400
    Real Espana   0.0000     6.7500    0.0000     6.7500
    Toronto FC    0.0000     0.0000    5.8333     5.8333
    San Francisco 5.0833     0.0000    0.0000     5.0833
    FAS           0.0000     0.0000    3.3333     3.3333
    Isidro Metapan0.0000     3.1550    0.0000     3.1550
    SJ Jabloteh   0.0000     2.6400    0.0000     2.6400
    Seattle       0.0000     0.0000    2.2083     2.2083
     
  18. edcalvi

    edcalvi Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 1, 2005
    Nevada
    So just last sunday we trashed them 4-1 in the local derby and now this. I love it. :)
     
  19. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I got a feeling that the USA is going to move up to 4th before this CCL is over.
     
  20. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry for the stupid question, but what is the rational for giving a team points when they lose?
     
  21. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you mean Seattle?


     
  22. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was specifically looking at Seattle and Joe Public. Both clubs have slight increases in points even though they both lost.
     
  23. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Puerto Rico is part of CFU.

    September 16th
    CFU 9.167 8.000 4.833 22.000
    Puerto Rico 17.0556 5.6400 4.6111 27.3067

    September 24th
    CFU 9.167 8.000 5.167 22.333
    Puerto Rico 17.0556 5.6400 5.7222 28.4178

    It seems to be a big jump, but it must be in the formula.

    Same for Seattle, even if they finish with 0 points, they will get part of the USA coefficient.
     
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  24. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The club coefficient is intended to (obviously) represent the relative strength of clubs in CONCACAF competition. By including the national coefficient as part of the club coefficient, this is achieved better. A team from Mexico that earns 9 points is likely better than one from the CFU that earns 9, and with the national coefficient included, that is reflected in the club coefficient.

    Seattle's coefficient went up slightly because of Columbus and Salt Lake's results, while Joe Public's did because of Puerto Rico's draw.
     
  25. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Much appreciated. I'm sure fans of Seattle, Columbus and Toronto will be quick to remind Sounders fans they are being carried along.
     

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