Well the first step for a possible solution is very simple : You guys first solve your own issues, and whenever you are ready, then we might talk. Don`t ask us, to solve your problems, as it isn't our problem to deal with. As If our leaders in South America, would be happy to join with North and continental central America, if it regards to soccer/football, I highly doubt it.
It's just business sense. The talent of South America with a money income simlar to that of the big tournaments in Europe can do wonders, not just for NTs but for clubs. But it's not going to happen. Not because Pepe Cortisona in the street opposes it, but because the Caribbean nations got CONCACAF by the balls.
I didn't get this part. Would CONCACAF (we all know this means Mexico, Canada, and the USA) be funding South America's clubs, most of which are very poor, just for a the opportunity to compete against them regularly? And even with Warner gone we've still to resolve the issue of an effective voting system. CONCACAF's biggest problem is that we cannot get along, animosities are too strong and our nations have nothing in common with each other. Joining with CONMEBOL would just make things even more tumultuous. At least they more or less have unity.
There would be more media exposure. We'd get more games on cable, the South American sides will get some mention in the sports magazines that sell like bread around here. Instead of the PR machine focusing on the Gold Cup, that few people care about anyway until the final (everybody knows who will be the two finalists), for a unified Copa America there'd be a big market, and by the time the last stages roll in, people would be ready to pay PPV to watch a Mexico-Argentina or USA-Brazil much more than paying to watch USA-Jamaica or Mexico-Salvador. Not gonna happen though.
Re: Combined Copa America and Gold Cup into 1: 16 teams (8+8) once every 4 years Why the hell do CONCACAF countries want to play with CONMEBOL countries ? I know your federation sucks, but we don't want our federation to suck..
The issue is that you can't merge just the Copa America and the Gold Cup without also merging the WC qualifiers. Long term development comes by competing in a long and gruelling 3-year qualification campaign, not a 3 week tournament one in 4 years. And from a financial standpoint, the 18-game CONMEBOL qualifiers make a lot of money for the 10 countries involved. Since the competition if very tough with a high degree of parity, it ensure that the 3-year campaign is very competitive and stays alive till the last day. It is a great product and makes us a lot of money. It is a very real concern that if this is merged with CONCACAF qualifiers, the product will be diluted and 10 original CONCACAF countries will make much less money. With the current system, each country gets to play every other country home and away and that keeps the product very lucrative. With a combined WCQ, they will be need to split in several groups, which means playing the likes of Guadulope and Aruba, which just wouldn't as lucrative. If there was a way to only include Mexico, and maybe USA in the WCQ, then maybe there would be a bigger share of the pie to share, but the current CONCACAF politics make that impossible, and even if it were possible, I think the travel considerations would make such a proposition infeasible.
And you believe that we in South America already don`t get that with our current status without having any CONCACAF sides among us ? No wonder everybody keeps on saying that you guys in North America don`t know anything about World Soccer/Football.....
I like how you blindly blame the Caribbean for this just because were an easy target.But if you do just a little research you'll see that one huge reason that it will never happen is because of Chuck Blazer. The south americans hate him. When he kicked them out of the gold cup that pissed them off. Then (tho not entirely his fault) he agreed with the U.S sending a C squad to Copa America, which south america viewed as disrespectful. Then he and UEFA created a rule where you can only take U-23 teams to tourneys outside of your confederation. Do some research. Dont take the easy way out by blaming the islands for everything. I know some of the leaders are crooked and the islands dont deserve this much power. But you cant blame them for things they arent responsible for.
Which South American clubs are Poor? Please name them here so everyone will know who in the hell you are talking about?
You know damn well the vast majority are very poor... not their fault, its just the incompetence of those presidents who haven't been able to make profits other than from selling players abroad, something that is being diluted from the diversity of the export to Europe... its just not Argentines, Brasilians or Uruguayans anymore... Venezuela, Paraguay, Chile and the rest are selling, not that they never did before but that they are at a higher price and rate. Talent will not cease to exist in the big 3 but, the more the rest of the America's grow the competition grows...and its simple...when more product is available, the cheaper it is.. so... de vender jugadores, no puedes vivir toda la vida. "NECESITAS COMERCIALIZACION" Algo que en mayoria no pueden hacer, por la limitante economica y la incompetencia de los dirigentes...something they obviously need help with, they are not good businessmen, unlike theyre counterparts form the north.
Again, name the clubs that are poor? and are you suggesting that more revenues will make presidents more competent and solve "THEIR" problems? In 13 years we've let Mexico and the USA participate in our tournaments so where is all the money? Why are clubs as you call them still "POOR?"
Again a very simple question, yet noone can answer the question. Oh. wait River Plate might now be poor since they lost 30 Million dollars of ANNUAL tv rights... Again , which South American clubs are you referring to?????
I'm sorry but i never suggested that more money meant that club presidents would become more competent...if thats what you understood then you may have a problem... In 13 years Mexico has had little to no say in the decisions in the tournament, just participate, and even then its generated more interest and more money than it had before..if you fail to accept that then you my friend are an idiot. Clubs are still poor, por que los dirigentes (en su gran mayoria) sudamericanos son unos burros...there. Its no lie that the way clubs for example in Mexico (not so much anywhere else in Concacaf) are being ran, make great profits and a very small number of teams are the only ones suffering and financially our league is very stable. why? because of the investment of private corporations. EL FUTBOL ES NEGOCIO...ya paren del romanticismo estupido Un equipo como River, con problemas graves económicas, la ineptitud de sus dirigentes (que no son la excepción a la regla, si no mas bien son la regla en el futbol argento) prefieren el ahorro por no tener los gastos de primera que generar ganacias como equipo de primera... http://www.equiposytalento.com/noti...ocaron-el-descenso-del-river-plate-a-segunda/
No, Its a FACT of life that happens even in Europe! Do you want to start comparing South American Club debt and revenue to Spanish, French, Portuguese clubs etc..etc..etc..? Than why are clubs so poor as you Called them?? Generated more interest by whom? If anything it proves that MO Money doesn't mean shit and can't win Trophies! and trophies is what fans want and it what futbol is about. I rather have a piss poor Boca winning trophies and a rich winning shit which will cause even more Riots and discontent. So only Dirigentes Sudamericanos son burros? How about los Dirigentes Europeos? Ellos no son Burros? Simple Question.. NAME WHICH CLUBS Are Poor? and we'll compare them to clubs in Europe. For Instance, Barcelona of Ecuador spend an average of 12 million USD year. That more than 12 times more than half of the Spainish Clubs en la Primera. and we can do this all day long with the top South American club from every league down here. and don't let me get Started on Argentina and Brasilian Revenues.. So you are saying that none of your clubs are in Debt and have paid all their players on time?? (please say yes)...Really, Than you should take your Mexican Way of running business to Europe because they sure need it! Let see what happens when profits are put in front of Futbol.. oh really? Every club in the World is in Debt except the Mexican? No thank you!!! Than we'll end up like you! Futbol is a game which stir passion. Do you actually think that barcelona of Spain to name an example does BUSINESS before FUTBOL? Are you that Clueless? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
We arent talking about Europe...me vale un pito lo que pase en Europa...just because it happens in europe doesnt make it right... Because they are unable to generate revenue simple...the more revenue you have the more you are able to re-invest in infrastructure which leads to better youth development... no me vengas con la cagada que el si el sistema sirve no lo cambies..im sorry but there is room for improvement..ALWAYS. You want trophys? well los que ganan usualmente es la gente que hace las cosas bien y con planeacion, no solo con la "pasion" estupida de la que hablas..se necesita un poco de dinero, ojo..dinero BIEN invertido. No Burros, hay en todos lados...im responding to one right now...what is your infatuation with clubs in Europe...when most of the clubs in Europe are in the same fkn trashole situation clubs in Latin America are in...hmm wonder why... In spain most clubs are ran as asociaciones y no como empresas privadas...wonder why theyre in such a shithole of a situation... of the tope of my head i can name a few...why lie Puebla, Atlas, Indios, Irapuato and a few teams in the Ascenso & 2da. Mexicans didnt invent this way of treating futbol as a business...its been in place for years in Europe....Proftis in fron of football is always a bad combination, cuando empresas privadas invierten es el riesgo...es ahi donde se necesita tener a presidente con sentido de negocios y con sabiduria de futbol....y no un burro como la gran mayoria en sudamerica que solo mira dolares y se mojan, sin saber que hacer con el. oh really? Every club in the World is in Debt except the Mexican? No thank you!!! Than we'll end up like you! Futbol is a game which stir passion. Do you actually think that barcelona of Spain to name an example does BUSINESS before FUTBOL? Are you that Clueless? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.[/QUOTE]
The only one failing in idiocy here it is you. You are convinced that Mexico brought with itself more interest to the tournament, when actually we "sold" it to you guys, getting for ourselves bigger revenues, mainly on your behalf. You are the ones who are paying the bills, while we are collecting them. Clubs aren`t poor. Countries here, are. Which is a diferent reality, but nevertheless we are coming out of the hole, day by day. In fact you guys are convinced that you are in a better position, when actually you are in the same boat as we are, and as a big diference between us, is that you guys are 90 % dependable on your northen neighbour, while we aren`t, as we have learned to make business with the whole world. True, it is a big business industry, we don`t need you guys to teach us that, as we always have known it. In fact it has been CONMEBOL who has invited mexican teams to participate in our tournaments in the past (not the other way around), as a strategy lead by our Confederation in order to win more money by inserting it in other markets. In regards to Mexico this issue is already done, and in fact we don`t need the Mexican Federation any longer, as it is them who will seek for us now and beg us to include them for future tournaments, as what they insist on being included. We are currently seeking for other markets to insert ourselves in, reasons of the invitation to Japan for the present edition of our Copa America. This decission was taken by CONMEBOL unilaterally, we didn't take advice from no one regarding it, and the mexican federation is the one begging to be included in future agreements, as we, as bad business men as you say, have been very succesful in doing it in lots of potential big markets. Very soon you`ll find out, what sort of agreements have been established with other parts of the world as well. All because we are "burros",
Re: Combined Copa America and Gold Cup into 1: 16 teams (8+8) once every 4 years Siguen con la misma mierda dejen de hinchar los huevos!!
so you expect people to spend time to compile a list of poor clubs just so you can be satisfied? when its a well known fact that most clubs in South America have money troubles, and Yes Argentina is part of them.
Money troubles is not the same thing as not having money. It is two completely diferent things. Even top world teams have money troubles, teams such as Barcelona, Real Madrid, lots of Premier league teams, or from Calcio. They all have money troubles, but we can agree that their trouble is not the lack of it, but how big are their expenses in relation to their incomes, which also happen to be very big. Oh yes there is money troubles in Argentina, and I'd say that in every Conmebol nation as well. But at the end of the day, once mexican teams pay their bills, we are back in business once again, (just joking a little bit)
you can call it what you want, but if you think that the money provided to these federations, whatever it may be little or small...is something they dont like or something they find of use to their club is fkn stupid. And i think you comparing the money troubles between the top of the euro class to what clubs in Latin America is beyond retarded..there is no way in hell a club in Latin America with maybe an exception in Brazil generates enough revenue for its finances to be in the black at the start of the year.
In Paraguay - Every team outside Cerro Porteño, Libertad, and Olimpia (9 in the first division, 14 in the second division) In Uruguay - Every team outside Peñarol and Nacional (14 in the first division, 12 in the second division.) I don't know enough about Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, and Peru, but I've heard they're the same thing... two or three decent clubs on par with top teams in Mexico and Europe, and the rest are more or less semi-pro with domestic players earning around $300 a month, if they're paid on time or at all. You can't be serious. Players in the Costa Rican league earn $1,500 to $2,000 minimum, and we shouldn't need to go near the FMF. It would be stupid to turn this into a pissing match between our countries when most of Central America and the Caribbean are the same thing. It's amazing South America produces so many good players with so small a budget, but the majority of your clubs have turned into feeders for the European leagues over the last 30 years. Why would CONMEBOL invite North American teams to compete in their tournaments if they didn't need the money?