CONCACAF 2018 WCQ Appointments [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, Nov 11, 2015.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I'm sure it's been made--but I don't have it.
     
  2. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Come on Brizan.
     
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  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MONCADA (HON) for the USA-TTO match.
     
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  4. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Literally who
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I said that earlier in the Hex. He had a MD1 game. Seems like the entire Honduran FIFA list is in the mix to an extent--hard to discern who stands out, which is how Costa Rica has been for a few years, too (though Montero has risen to the top).
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Marrufo had a VC red, based on Frank Anderson's input, last night. At 2:53 below.

     
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  7. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The announcer said a Panamanian player attacked Gonzalez, Gonzalez retaliated, and both players should have gotten reds.
    An announcer said Trinidad and Tobago deserved at least two yellow cards that weren't given, but giving those cards wouldn't have given anybody two.
     
  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You can certainly make the case that the Panamanian player shoved or even tried to strike the Costa Rican first. But then I'd also say that the Costa Rican deliberately ran into the Panamanian and initiated contact to prompt that move. Really, everything before the deliberate strike to the face can probably be chalked up as "this is a corner kick in a heated CONCACAF match." If it had occurred before it did, which was at the exact moment that the corner was being taken, it's the sort of thing Marrufo probably would have held up play for and tried to defuse. As things stood, I just don't see enough to give a penalty and sanction the Panamanian. Red for VC and foul coming out seems like the just decision.

    Now, not to beat a dead horse, but if VAR was in play and it showed conclusively that the Panamanian player attempted to strike first, are we looking at two red cards and a penalty here? I have no idea.
     
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  9. akindc

    akindc Member+

    Jun 22, 2006
    Washington, DC
    And somehow Drew Fischer didn't think this deserved a RC...
     
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  10. bothways

    bothways Member

    Jun 27, 2009
    akin, i thought the same thing. i was like holy sh--- when i saw it. he gave a caution. the honduras player walked away probably thinking he had a red.
    can anyone sell me on why this tackle would only be a yellow
     
  11. Mark Edwards

    Mark Edwards New Member

    Jun 7, 2017
    Well if Fischer gave the red card the Honduras fans would be upset with him, and the whole idea of refereeing is to make everyone happy.
     
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  12. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    It can't have been worth a red if the player was upset by a yellow! :rolleyes:

    More seriously, I'm guessing our R did not see the studs to ankle contact, and the rest of the tackle was merely reckless. I would imagine (and hope!) this would be upgraded if VAR had been in play.
     
  13. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Not me! I am shocked! This should have been the easiest red card ever.
    Visiting player at Azteca with a flying two-footed lunge? You gotta be kidding me!

    PH
     
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  14. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    Because Drew Fisher is not a great referee. Sorry, don't like to throw comrades under the bus, but he consistently disappoints.
     
  15. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You would know better than me about if the timing of where the ball was matters. Can a penalty kick be given for VC while the ball is not in play as players are waiting for a corner kick?
     
  16. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
    I'm not a referee, but the law is that when the ball is out of play, the restart never changes. So if the restart is a corner kick, nothing that happens before the restart can change that the restart will be a corner kick.
     
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  17. Thezzaruz

    Thezzaruz Member+

    Jun 20, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    No it can't. In this incident though the ball was in play before either possible offence.
     
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  18. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Aguilar back to be the old Aguilar.
     
  19. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #119 JasonMa, Jun 11, 2017
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2017
    I'm willing to accept I have red, white, and blue glasses on for this one but I don't see how Salcedo wasn't carded in the first 4 minutes for the back-to-back elbows.

    I know, I know, "Forget it JasonMa, it's Azteca"
     
  20. La Rikardo

    La Rikardo Moderator

    May 9, 2011
    nj
    Yeah, the second one is a particularly bad miss. That's textbook red in the classroom. If Aguilar had called a careless foul, I'd chalk it up to an unwillingness to show a card four minutes into a Mexico-US hex match, but the lack of a whistle altogether is surprising. Looked like he had a good angle, so I have to wonder what he saw here.
     
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  21. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I'd like to know what VAR would have done with that elbow to Wood's face. Good argument for SFP, and I thought the contact was in the penalty area.

    Aguilar might have claimed he saw it all the way, and just denied the review.
     
  22. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    How in the he'll do you have two minutes added time in the first half?
    The cart came out twice. Those two alone took up 5 min. Add to that 2 goals and a handful of minor injuries.

    When he called for two, the 4th should have said "do you want to rethink that"?

    I predicted 6. Totally shocked at 2.
     
  23. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    I didn't see this posted - who was the ref for US- Mexico? Aguilar? Where's he from?
     
  24. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    El Salvador
     
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  25. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    El Salvador
     
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