Homie..... #2..... I never ever ever want to see a GK take a free kick unless he is on that insane form Bustos was when he scored 2 or 3 in 3-4 NT games then turned to total shit. Just too risky Its funny Pogbas team was basically the Colombian NT Amigos Pogba: David Ospina; Santiago Arias, Jamel Ramos, Jeison Murillo, Davinson Sánchez; Carlos Sánchez, Paul Pogba, Edwin Cardona, Marlos Moreno, Juan Quintero y Duván Zapata He had one hell of a Squad everyone Bold has been on the NT. Who is Jamel Ramos? Amigos Cuadrado: David Andrade; Cristian Zapata, Beitar Córdoba, Camilo Zúñiga, Danilson Córdoba; Cristian Tabárez, Daniel Torres, Juan Cuadrado, Ramírez; Carlos Bacca y Luis Muriel Who are these dudes? Pogbas team 9/11 are NT players and all of them will probably be in Russia with the exception of Juan Quintero depending on his next move Cuadrados 6/11 NT plays. Rest of the team 0 close who the FK they are. Prob should have split the teams more evenly
I am sure Pekerman does not want to see it either. I just like it when Keepers score goals (or come close in this case.) Brings back good memories. My favorite goal was Higuita's vs. River Plate in the Libertadores. Epic.
It was three years ago today that Colombia defeated Uruguay in what can be argued as the most important win in Colombian soccer history.
Nope. Ivan Cordobas super Header against Mexico giving us our only title is the most important win ever
i'm with @HomietheClown on this one; i enjoyed the 2001 copa america victory, but 1. Argentina withdrew 2. Brazil brought a team that was significantly different than their 99 CA winning team and 02 WC winning team 3. Honduras and Costa Rica entered that tournament with little notice
a title is a title and it's our only senior level one. If everyone sent a U12 team doesn't fking matter at the end of the day the record book says Copa Americas Colombia 1 title!
Pekerman...take notes on the Germany-Mexico game. see how Germany passes the ball (short quick passing) to where the players need to be....not where they are currently
Germany also has hundreds of cold-blooded guys who can shoot the ball into the back of the net waking up and falling out of bed. We have like what? Two or three.
That cold-blooded mentality is what myself and CRZD post about all the time. i just like the way the Germany moves the ball strategically like a team; no heavy reliance on any single player. Same can be said about spain 08-12. a machine that always passes the ball into open space
Stop babbling about the Germans Belgians Swiss!!!! PS. Call me when the Germans celebrate like this....
Lol In a serious note What you are asking is not easy, not that many teams have that tactical organization to the point that they look like they were going to the Mexican area with such ease. The fact that you just used the best Spain of all time to prove your point shows that, what you are asking is really hard to do, remember we have Jaimito and Cardona no Xabi and Inesta Very very few teams can mantain such an organization like a clock specially against big teams, maybe Mexico had a bad night making Germany performance even better, I want to see them running that easy through Chile
Colombian no juega asi por orden expresa de pekerman y punto . Les dice que se equivoquen en los pases de aposta . Que lo echen
I know it's a big ask. But I think you and anyone else here can agree that we have more potential to play better / more organized than what we have seen in 15-17. Again - I am not wholeheartly suggesting dismissing pekerman, just a fine tuning of tactics. I've also said it before but the Spain and Germany teams that won the last two world cups had the privelage of "intra squad" games every week. Spain (RMA/Barca core team) and Germany (dortmund/Bayern core team) That just means we need to come up with some sort of better attack that what we have been using. Otherwise i fear we will play 3 or 4 games in Russia and go home. I'll give another example that's not so elite. Dunga's Brazil team 2006-2010 team won games hand over fist by playing effective counter attacking futbol while playing physical and maintaining control of the game no matter who they faced (copa América 2007 final - they didn't let a superior Argentina team control the pace of the game. Brazil was in driver seat entire game). Yes, they lost to holland in 2010 WC QF but they lost due to foolish mistakes in the 2nd half of that game. Point is their 06-10 run had an identity and system that was organized. I just haven't seen that YET with us. We are close but the light bulb hasn't turned on yet. When it does, we are capable of a strong run.
1. Brasil won copa america 2005 and 2007, with b teams. 2. Honduras and Costa rica.....at least that teams go to wc often always. we always have in theis cup jamaica and onther bad teams. The only complain could be the argentina issue, but come on not always the winner faces them
Think about this Furnaccio and this is not Pekerman's fault, this "C" German team I assume is mostly Bundesliga players, the tactical rigor that those clubs have is higher than any South American team. So for them to move very organized like a clock is almost second nature, plus their stamina is higher than ours, allowing them to go up and down the field as a block. The tactical rigor that Colombia have is not the best, actually we still play slow futbol. That's why we have such a problem looking for Box to Box Midfielders and that's the root of why Colombia don't play like you want to. Regardless of that "tactical organization" is not everything; it can be argued that the German NT is known for being the most tacticall/organized team, yet Brazil have more world cups than them and even though obviously Brazil have tactical organization, thats not their strenght. Actually in South America Argentina is more known for practicing a more tactical/organized style + high pressure style just like the Germans. Yet Brazil is more successful than Argentina. Now dappip joking video is gaining some deep meaning, just look at our strength and that's what we should focus on... Obviously tactical organization is needed and Pekerman has precisely brought that, that's why we have the numbers that we have...
Alemania se nota la escuela y el trabajo del comemoco desde inferiores. Creo que hoy en día ningún otro país tiene la gran mayoría de sus estrellas en el medio local y gravitando entre 2 o 3 clubes. Lo mas cercano es España, pero ya ni el Real ni el Farça tienen una columna vertebral española. Colombia, y en general cualquier país suramericano, han presenciado un éxodo continuo de jugadores a Europa que hace prácticamente imposible un trabajo fuerte con una base amplia. Pekerman logró armar un grupo muy solido en el proceso del 2014, pero esa nomina se desbarato y no habia un camino claro de recambio, por eso el 2015 y 2016 el equip tuvo que ser rearmado y se cambio mucho de alineación. Solo hasta este año parece que 8 o 9 inicialistas y 2 o 3 suplentes están ya claros en el sistema. Ahi vamos y ojala se tenga una nomina bien fuerte para el año entrante.
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. Ademas la opinion publica y el ojo del aficionado colombiano (mucho tecnico es igual), valora mas al jugador en esas posiciones que se haga notar .......y no al que haga trabaja silencioso, realmente tactico. Por ejemplo abel aguilar con todo lo que aportaba siempre se le tildaba de tronco, cuando con sus pases era el unico que tenia primer toque para destrabar. Aqui dirian que Busquets no sirve por que no se nota mucho su trabajo.
I hear ya man. And I don't disagree with you. We are saying the same thing from different approaches I like your point about how we can't find real box to box MFs and in those cases where we face teams that have us beat tactically it is important that we adapt to those situations which is something we don't do enough. There is a tendency at times where we play passive from the start of the game and we don't wake up until the opposing team has already scored a goal. Maybe in games where we know we are weaker in tactics we play a more aggressive style so that we don't get bossed around like we did when we faced Brazil in the QF of 14WC. In the 15CA we brought the game to Brazil and it was a dogfight and we won. But then we lost that vigor the following games against Peru and Argentina - we didn't build any momentum after that huge win in my eyes. That is why I brought up the 2007 Brazil-Argentina final. Brazil was outclassed on paper before the game and when the game started they did not let Riquelme and company dictate the game. They played extremely physical (5 yellow cards) and rattled their cage. Result 3-0 win for a Brazil team that relied on players like Julio Baptista, Vagner Love, Elano, josue and Robinho over an Argentina team with tevez, Messi, JRR, Verón, cambiasso I agree that pekerman in 2012 brought a fresh outlook and change of tactics to the NT but now in 2017 players like James and cuadrado are not rising stars but targets for opposing teams. The days of cuadrado skinnning opposing defenders when he was emerging at the international level are not as frequent Bc opposing defenders have him better scouted now vs 4-5 years ago. The adapting part is where we lack and a big part of it deals with mentality and bringing it to the opposing team. I will say that one area that we are clearly evolving and slowly creating an identity is our arial game thanks to Yerry and to a returning/healthy falcao. It's a great weapon to have but we need to build the other aspects of our attack to utilize it more often That lack of tactical rigor that you mentioned is problematic and will get exposed when facing more experienced and organized teams. But there are ways to get around it. Which is precisely where the mentality needs to change to a more physical / aggressive approach as opposed to a more passive / wait-and-see strategy. Last point and I'm nitpicking your Germany/Brazil comment - Even though Brazil has 5 WC titles vs Germany's 4. Germany has more finals appearances and semi final appearances. I won't get into Argentina. But they are their own worst enemy and have a much worse under achieving status than we do given all the world class fire power at their disposal.
You talk about a lot of points and to avoid making my post longer answering everything lets just focus on the tactical aspect (you want us to take a more tacticall approach to the games like this German B side, I said is more easy said than done) I'm just going to talk about your opening statement which is the base of your argument and clearly shows how different we see the problem Which teams are you referring that have beaten us tactically?? ( few teams can actually beat us tactically) Now since you brought Brazil I assume that you think they beat us tactically in that game. No, they didn't beat us tactically, we actually choked at the beginning of the game thanks to an early goal in the cross which is "our trademark" you even recognize this problem After that early goal It took time for Colombia to recuperate but after we did we almost tied at the end and with more time we could won it... Once again the same tactic, playstyle, formation.... What it changed was the mentality, which went from chocking to total confidence. Brazil also took advantage of being the local team and made the game a kickboxing match. That's how Brazil manage to beat two aggurably more talented teams but less experienced in world cups than Brazil (Chile and Colombia). Once again this is not tactics, these are other factors that are just as important as the tactical aspect, Uruguay for example being less talented than Chile and Colombia I would bet that they could beat Brazil, and not because they are better tactical, as a matter of fact Colombia and Chile play a better passing game than Uruguay. But if Brazil tried to play that physical game where Uruguay is the best at, Brazil would fail plus the WC experience that Uruguay has over Chile and Col (at that specific time). Colombia needs to work on the mental part, not the tactical aspect
Colombia should work on both the mental and the tactical aspects. I think I get the idea of @Furnaccio. There are some games where we are the weaker team, so simple. So in order to win those games or at least have a bigger chance to do it, we will/may need better tactical skills.
Para tener en cuenta de los que piensan que salir a ganar los amistosos es lo unico y habla de la mentalidad de un equipo.....pensando que no se pueden experimentar nuevas cosas para consolidar lo IMPORTANTE EN PARTIDOS IMPORTANTES: Amistoso Chile 2017 , Copa America. Chile 3-0 Burkina Faso, en el Estadio Nacional. Rusia 1-1 Chile, en Moscú. Rumania 3-2 Chile, en Cluj. En los amistosos lo menos es imortante es ganarlo, es aprender en ellos lo que se quiere implementar.
Entonces ahi me perdi si ese es el punto....porque que se quiso decir que tomaramos nota de alemania. El ejemplo no aplica........Alemania no era el equipo debil. Todos quisieramos que colombia jugara como alemania.....y si no lo hacemos no es por negligencia del tecnico o mentalidad SIEMPRE. A veces no se tienen las herramientas..... Para hacer diagnosticos y tener expectativas coherentes es necesario hacer seguimientos de los equipos y de su evolución.