Colombia Sub-20

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  1. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I watched again the 2-2 draw we did with Brazil two months ago. I'm really afraid regarding GK Mier. He has lack of confidence, he makes a lot of mistakes. It was also like this in the U-17. And he is Nacional's GK. I hope we won't regret for choosing him to be the no.1 because I saw him in several matches and honestly I have 0 confidence in his ability.
     
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  2. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    agree
     
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  3. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    So basically he is a Bonilla 2.0.
     
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  4. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Actually it's worst. I had much more confidence in Bonilla when he was at this age. Mier can still improve but so far he has been very poor.
     
  5. kifrão

    kifrão Member

    Aug 19, 2008
    Angers, Francia
    Club:
    Toulouse FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Si no me equivoco, Mier es el unico jugador de la plantilla que nunca jugo en equipo primero en su club. Aqui las estadisticas de todos como profesionales :

    Reynaldo Fontalvo 27 matches (27 titulaire) - 7 clean sheets avec le Barranquilla FC (D2)

    Juan David Lemus 41 matches (40 titulaire) - 9 clean sheets avec Llaneros (D2)

    Kevin Mier _



    Jean Carlos Colorado 16 matches (12 titulaire) avec Cortulua (D2)

    Carlos Cuesta 69 matches (59 titulaire) avec l'Atlético Nacional

    Fabio Delgado 16 matches (13 titulaire) avec Cortulua (D1 puis D2)

    Hayen Palacios 9 matches (3 titulaire) - 1 but avec l'Atlético Nacional

    Juan Sebastian Palma 5 matches (4 titulaire) avec Once Caldas

    Andrés Reyes 1 match (1 titulaire) avec l'Atlético Nacional

    Carlos Romaña 7 matches (7 titulaire) - 1 but avec Boyaca Chico

    Brayan Vera 1 match (1 titulaire) avec Leones



    Jaime Alvorado 34 matches (11 titulaire) avec Real Valladolid B puis Hercules (D2 ESP)

    Ivan Angulo 35 matches (14 titulaire) - 2 buts avec Envigado

    Andrés Balanta 15 matches (8 titulaire) avec le Deportivo Cali

    Johan Carbonero 33 matches (18 titulaire) - 1 but avec Once Caldas

    Gustavo Carvajal 14 matches (8 titulaire) avec l'América de Cali

    José Enamorado 49 matches (24 titulaire) - 4 buts avec Orsomarso (D2)

    Yeiler Goez 2 matches (1 titulaire) avec l'Atlético Nacional

    Yeison Tolosa 4 matches (1 titulaire) avec le Deportivo Cali



    Rivaldo Correa 21 matches (4 titulaire) - 1 but avec Rionegro Aguilas puis Medellin

    Dilan Ortiz 14 matches (1 titulaire) - 2 buts avec le Real Cartagena (D2)

    Luis Sandoval 40 matches (23 titulaire) - 8 buts avec le Barranquilla FC (D2), Junior puis le Barranquilla FC (D2)

    Jader Valencia 92 matches (61 titulaire) - 17 buts

    https://www.cafooteros.com/accueil/fil-rouge/
     
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  6. kifrão

    kifrão Member

    Aug 19, 2008
    Angers, Francia
    Club:
    Toulouse FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Jader Valencia con Bogota FC (D2) y Millonarios
     
  7. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    You are correct regarding Mier. "The problem" of Nacional is that in the last decade we had very good keepers so the younger keepers couldn't really get a chance. Even Cristian Vargas had to wait so much time until he got his real chance. But Mier's situation is very difficult plus I really didn't see something special from him. On the contrary. I hope we won't get screwed because of him.
     
  8. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I hope he does not play like his name with two more letters added to the end.
     
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  9. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    #559 Baal88, Jan 11, 2019
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2019
    You guys are too critical of him. I actually think that he is the one with the most potential, he has great positioning, height, strong legs and reflexes (the first is something that to me makes a great goalkeeper over the other three), what he lacks is experience. Bonilla was never this good when he was that young and he received much more game time than Mier has.

    He needs to start relying more in his positioning than in his physical prowess, because he tends to go outside of the box and that shit tends to get dangerous, but it's because he really trusts his coordination and speed. This is something that he will only get with experience, and he isn't getting it at Nacional.
     
  10. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    To be honest, I didn't see him beside the national team, but when I saw, he was awful with tons of mistakes. Of course that experience is very important and maybe some day he will be a very good keeper but if we referring to this tournament, in my opinion this is our weakest spot.
     
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  11. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Hopefully they send him to 2nd division and he gets minutes. He doesn’t run to Europe or abroad after the youth cup.
     
  12. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Even if a Colombian keeper gets experience in the Colombian League I am concerned about the way it translates to the international game. They will see things they have never seen with a lot of aerial play, set pieces and physicality we just dont see in Colombia.

    When a kid has absolutely no experience like Mier it makes me even more convened
    Hopefully the players in front of him play up to their potential because we do not want games coming down to the play of an inexperienced keeper.
     
  13. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    As for Cucho and Sinisterra, they won't play in the tournament because their teams refused to release them?
     
  14. kifrão

    kifrão Member

    Aug 19, 2008
    Angers, Francia
    Club:
    Toulouse FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Si, lo que se entiende para Cucho pero es un poco mas sorprendente para Sinisterra que casi no juega sino con la primera de Feyennord. Quizas cuentan con el para la segunda mitad de la temporada
     
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  15. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    A bunch of teams are interesed in loaning him. Hopefully he goes on loan, otherwise I'll be very pissed with Feyenoord.
     
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  16. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    FIFA really needs to make a modification requiring clubs to lend the player for these type of decisive tournaments. It's actually good business sense as well. Would also love a sub-20 Copa America. It could even be played as the 'warm-up' match prior to the seniors coming on and playing their match. Come on Conmebol get some strategy of your own!:mad:
     
  17. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Cucho proved to me he should be in the mix for Copa America not this tournament.

    Unless he does a Neymar and play in the Sudamericano and not in the World Cup which would be kind of counter-productive.
     
  18. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Why not? Even Messi played the U20 WC/Sudamericano. I think he should at least be able to be in the mix.
     
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  19. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    But Messi did It when he was 17. In my opinion if we don't get any other realistic options or someone extremely good comes along in the Next few months then Cucho should be with the senior team just because of all the variations and unpredictability he can bring to the Game.
     
  20. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Cucho will not be able to play in both the Sub 20 World Cup and the Copa America. They are just too close to each other. It is just one or the other.
    The Senior team will be playing important friendlies when the Sub 20 World Cup is in session.

    He can play in the Sudamericano hypothetically but I think that would be counter-productive because we need the team to get cohesion with players who will actually be in Poland (assuming we qualify.)
     
  21. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    Anybody know if the tournament will be televised in the US?
     
  22. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    El jueves arranca el sudamericano sub 20.

    Jueves 17 Colombia vs Venezuela 5:10 PM
    Sábado 19 Colombia vs Brasil 5:10 PM
    Lunes 21 Colombia vs Bolivia 5:10 PM
    Viernes 25 Chile vs Colombia 7:30 PM

    Asumo que están en horario chileno. Así que en Colombia deben ser 2 horas menos.
     
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  23. pibe10

    pibe10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    Petach Tikva, Israel
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Excellent for me. Three matches at 10:10 p.m. Israel time so I can still sleep well afterwards.
     
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  24. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Ft. Myers
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    are the games going to be aired on WIN Sports by any chance?
     
  25. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    No creo. Aun ni he revisado eso, creo que Caracol los va a pasar.
     
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