Cohort effects in US Soccer YNT rosters

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by jeffmefun, Jun 29, 2010.

  1. jeffmefun

    jeffmefun Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Quakeland, CA
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Someone may have already done this, but just responding to a post in the N&A forum:

    Here's a look at the age distributions of 185 players across the U15, U17, U18, and U20 player pools:

    Jan 37
    Feb 20
    Mar 18
    Apr 20
    May 20
    June 9
    Jul 5
    Aug 13
    Sep 18
    Oct 10
    Nov 8
    Dec 7

    Now, with 185 players, you'd normally expect to see about 1 player for every 2 days in the month (e.g. 14 in Feb, 15 or 16 in Jan). But, for whatever reasons, births are even distributed (no need to discuss here) and some months have more births than others (e.g. http://www.panix.com/~murphy/bday.html). So, you would expect those months to have more players in the mix than most.

    But, that's not what the data shows at all.

    What time of year are the age group cutoffs?
     
  2. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As the data might lead you to believe.....it's January.


    The distribution isn't great, but to be honest, it's not as bad as it used to be. (IIRC) I'd also like to note that many of the early birthdays among the U-20s are 1992s -- which isn't as bad because they are all at least a year younger than the limit. In fairness, that might just be a remnant of the Age Effect of the last U-17 cycle, but it's not quite the same as having a ton of January 1991 people.
     
  3. Werdman89

    Werdman89 Member+

    May 27, 2008
    Boston, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    this topic comes up a lot in this forum:
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=875966

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1209415

    Unfortunately, nothing's going to change. You can switch things like cutoff dates and there still will be kids close to the altered cutoff date less developed. If you initiate things like quotas there's still a chance guys who didn't make the quota for their age but are better than those younger on the team that are left off. It's very, very hard to gauge how good a kid is going to in say, 6 months, and then compare him to the developed kid training in front of you unless the younger kid is a phenom.

    In an ideal world you would have very small age groups or cycles, such as one for each year or 6 months, but this would cost an enormous amount of money. Overall though, it's impossible to completely get rid of the bias.
     
  4. jeffmefun

    jeffmefun Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Quakeland, CA
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well... not a surprise, and I don't know what you can really do about this without causing an upheaval throughout the system. Even if the USSF could do something for its feeder programs, it's not clear how much of this effect is created outside of the age groupings youth soccer leagues. I did think it was interesting, though.
     
  5. jeffmefun

    jeffmefun Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Quakeland, CA
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ack! Apologies - should have looked harder. Clearly, this is a dead horse...
     

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