I will continue to say that Klinsmann would have made a strong general manager/technical director (yes, I know he was technical director when he coached the MNT, but it wasn't his primary focus). The visionary/structure/player development stuff is what Klinsmann is good at doing and what he enjoys. He just wasn't a good tactical coach.
He wasn't a details guy. He might have been able to set a vision. He couldn't/wouldn't have done the dirty work to build an organization.
Is Berhalter a good tactical coach? How about Sarachan or Arena? What specifically do they do that makes you conclude that they are good 'tactical" coaches?
Career win percentages for MLS coaches from just after the 2017 season. There's an excel spreadsheet around somewhere with the full list but this is all I could copy and past after five minutes searching. https://www.sportingkc.com/post/201...-coach-peter-vermes-ranks-among-best-business I bolded a few names that were bandied about as candidates for the NT job Coach Club Wins Win % Sigi Schmid LA Galaxy 230 .555 Bob Bradley Los Angeles FC 124 .555 Peter Vermes Sporting KC 115 .543 Jason Kreis Orlando City FC 115 .510 Oscar Pareja FC Dallas 87 .542 Ben Olsen D.C. United 84 .454 Jesse Marsch New York Red Bulls 68 .548 Gregg Berhalter Columbus Crew SC 53 .559 Carl Robinson Vancouver Whitecaps FC 53 .518 Greg Vanney Toronto FC 51 .571 Mike Petke Real Salt Lake 43 .562 Jim Curtin Philadelphia Union 39 .454 Patrick Vieira New York City FC 31 .588 Adrian Heath Minnesota United FC 26 .440 Veljko Paunovic Chicago Fire 23 .463 Wilmer Cabrera Houston Dynamo 22 .449 Brian Schmetzer Seattle Sounders FC 22 .615 Gerardo Martino Atlanta United FC 15 .588 Chris Leitch San Jose Earthquakes 7 .471
Not sure where these numbers actually come from. I'm seeing 74 wins, 69 losses, 50 draws on Wiki. Based on that, Berhalter's win rate in MLS was .383. If you give him 1/3 credit for ties, it is .470. And 0 trophies. Meh.
Yayyyy, more Klinsy talk! Always love when we come back to discussing a coach that hasn't been heard from since 2015. He stunk. Arena 2.0 stunk more. Berhalter is a bit smelly to me right now, due mostly to his player selection (in my opinion, influenced by MLS/SUM, but he the coach, he takes the blame). Sarachan or Tab look pretty good right now.
Two thoughts: 1) Wikipedia's definition of winning percentage counts ties as half a win. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winning_percentage So the calculation in it's own Berhalter page is wrong. (74+50/2)/193 is 0.513 2) The data is from Sporting KC's website. You can click the link in the original post. The data is from before the USMNT naming. It's also from a source that has no reason to pump Berhalter's numbers. Regardless of what method is used to calculate the percentage it's the same method across the board for all the coaches in the page. No sleight of hand, no pumping up of numbers, apples to apples comparison.
I think I'm understanding how they are calculating win %. They are ignoring ties altogether (excluded from numerator and denominator), which is asinine. Think about this scenario: A: 45 W, 25 L, 30 D = 165 Points B: 60 W, 40 L, 00 D = 180 Points Obviously, you'd want coach B. But "winning percentage" using the methodology you are backing is A=64%, B=60%. It doesn't matter if the comparison is "apple-to-apples" if the underlying methodology doesn't reflect the realities of the game. Berhalter has a mediocre record, whether looking at true win% or points/game. The Sporting KC math is irrelevant.
I know people love to complain and I'm not saying some of it isn't warranted, but damn, if Jozy doesn't scuff that 1v1 early I think we would have won the Gold Cup. Making progress.
Not counting ties is not right either as some coaches have many more ties than others. Wikipedia was right. Ties count as 1/2 a win and half a loss. Now if you want to propose going by points that is a valid comparison since most leagues count wins as 3 points, ties as 1 and losses as 0 (except the NHL). However that is comparing coaches by points and by winning percentage. It is also valid to compare salaries for different teams although even that isn't an exact science as Moyes found out at Man U.
No way, it would have been another 2011 Gold Cup. Tata made literally a U8 change after half time of putting Pizarro on the right and Berhalter couldn’t figure it out with his U5 plan. Way too advance for him.
Well usually its win percentage. The amount of times you dont lose is not equal to the amount of times you win. If you want to get into that, his win percentage is like 540, with a record of 67wins 58losses and 45ties, while being 2-5 in the playoffs. Overall excluding the US games, he is 93-79-69 with a win percentage of about 45% in MLS and the Swedish second division. I dont see that as successful, but thats just my opinion. Its pretty middle of the road, which is not what I want from the Head Coach of a national team. But like you mentioned in another post, he is learning on the fly. Which is why I think waiting to hire him was a mistake (I would not have hired him anyway, but it was really his job only).
Berhalter was MLS Coach of the Year in 2014 and Crew lost in the conference Semi-finals. 2015 Crew beat Montreal and NYRB, losing to Portland in a controversial game. 2017 Won KO round (ATL) and Conference Semis (NYCFC) lost to Toronto 1-0 agg. in COnference finals. 2018 Won KO round (DC) Lost to NYRB. That's a little better than the 2-5 playoffs you threw out there.
I think it's probably pretty hard to predict who will do well coaching a national team. England has chosen many former Premier League managers and I wouldn't say they've exceeded expectations in fact I'd say they've underwhelmed. Now they have a pretty non-experienced guy in charge and did the best they've done in ages. Before the recent WC I was pretty on the fence of whether Roberto Martinez would be a good coach for the US or whether he would struggle coaching all US players sort of like English managers have struggled in MLS. He blew away expectations and would love him here now but Belgium renewed him so he wasn't even a possibility.
Thats just whats on his CV when I look at the Crews website, if thats wrong, so be it. Im not saying he was awful and didnt do anything, Im just saying he was pretty middle of the pack, and worse than that in Sweden while accomplishing nothing of note in terms of trophies. I do agree, and I think what you want from a manager at a national team level is a less reliance on systems and more on how they adapt. In Columbus, I think he was able to find players to fit his system and adapt them to it with training and building an understanding over and over. You dont get that at the top level. I dont necessarily want someone with vast experience (if they have experience, I want it to be good experience with winning something) as long as they have the ability to coherently showcase players based on their skills, not fit players to their system. Martinez is a good example of morphing to the players at his disposal. I think Gregg needs time to see if he can do this, not showing so far that he wants to, but another reason I wish he was on the job a year ago. Revisionist I know, but I just very underwhelmed if you just look at his coaching record which is what coaches should stand on if they have experience.