Thats like man losing your job isn't so bad at least your wife didnt leave you and no one ran over your dog..... lets not mention any type of evil like the North American leagues are in threads with promising young players. Didnt PSV or Ajax want him but Cali want some crazy money for this kid?
Otro al que va tocar hacer le propaganda para que no acabe en México o la MLS. Ahora también hay que cuidarse de China. Que problema con las ligas de mierda.
No tengo problema en indicar que haya diferencias de calidad entre ligas... Pero decir que hay ligas de mierda no me parece. Si uno se pone a ver por fuera de las 4 ligas más poderosas del mundo (Inglesa, Alemana, Española, Francesa) las diferencias de calidad futbolera no son tan visibles. México tiene una gran historia futbolera, y la gringa tiene poco más de 20 años apenas y sus avances son impresionantes en cuanto a desarrollo de infraestructura y calidad futbolística para ser tan joven. La liga china es joven también pero tiene dinero de sobra, que utilizan para invertir en jugadores conocidos, los que les da publicidad, algo de interés y otros aspectos. No todas las ligas son iguales (menos mal), y muchos podrán ver nuestra liga cómo una liga de mierda y aunque uno tenga enormes diferencias de manejos y temas administrativos, uno la quiere. Qué hace que una liga, sea una liga de mierda en tu parecer? Por ejemplo La liga gringa no se atrasa en pagos, le da salud a todos los jugadores, casi todos los equipos ya juegan en estadios propios, y tiene una asistencia promedio superior a la colombiana. Obvio, si comparamos, la colombiana tiene más historia y más talento. Pero en un país de 300 millones y donde el fútbol se hace más popular cada día seguro vana seguir aumentando su competitividad futbolística. Ayer Toronto clasificó a la final de la champions de Concacaf eliminando a América de México, y los Red Bulls fueron eliminados por chivas. Una final México Gringa debe ser muy interesante a mi parecer.
Talento. Lo unico que tienen esas ligas es plata para adquirirlo. Por eso en México, China y USA tienen más extranjeros que jugadores locales con sueldos exorbitantes. De pronto en 15 o 20 años si realmente hay un boom en cuanto al fútbol en estos países realmente veremos un torneo entretenido. Tácticamente me parecen un asco también. El tener talento autóctono es mas importante que traerlo de afuera, pues así los jugadores de ese país tienen un ejemplo a seguir y se sienten identificados. Mexico invierte mucho más en infraestructura que nosotros y ahí seguimos en un nivel similar, con la diferencia de que acá producimos mucho más con menos. Nuestra liga es una mierda en muchísimos aspectos, pero en cuanto a talento le dan una repasada a muchos países.
Esas ligas no aportan nada a los jugadores que van alla. por el contrario los jugadores llegan a reforzar la liga. no es reciproco....el jugador alla no adquiere nada principalmente... en terminos de formacion futbolistica y competitividad si estoy de acuerdo que son una mierda. pd: @RafaLarios Chivas esta debiendo 3 meses a sus jugadores...unico equipo mexicano que se dedica a formar jugadores.....y mira va a jugar una final.
Estoy de acuerdo, en términos de talento hay diferencia, pero no digo que solo esta diferencia las hagan unas ligas de mierda (hay que mirar más aspectos) y de nuevo, los avances que han tenido estas ligas en términos de talento ha sido muy buena también, y han empezado a desarrollar jugadores (la inversión en academias y centros de entrenamiento también ayuda bastante). Si comparas la calidad de juego de hace 10 o 15 años a ahora ha mejorado bastante. No todas las ligas tienen un Falcao o un Valderrama para tener un ejemplo más viejo, y en terminos estadísticos son jugadores excepcionales.
Podríamos decir lo mismo de la liga Inglesa. O de la muchas de las ligas del mundo. si, igual la brecha no se ha cerrado, Chivas sigue siendo chivas especialmente en el ámbito internacional (en la liga interna son un desastre actualmente). Y bueno ayer la histórica ineptitud de RedBulls volvió a resurgir. RB tuvo 20 tiros al arco vs 1 de chivas. Un equipo medianamente competente en delanteros mete al menos una de esas opciones. Aun hay mucho camino por recorrer obviamente.
Si para mi la liga inglesa ....es 70 % marketing 30% futbol.....Los equipos que quedan campeones tanto de mundial, euro y copa america.......su tope casi nunca coincide con una gran población de jugadores en la epl.... Ligas sin materia prima nunca me parecera un buen destino......y mas estas que basan sus principios en entretenimiento y no en competitividad. Que creen que entretenimiento es descuidar la tactica y estrategia........ Que sea un exlente negocio rentable, generador de empleo......es diferente pero en lo netamente futbolistico.... Si hay mucho camino por recorrer de acuerdo, pero basandose en los principios que lo hacen de entretenimeinto , replica de epl nunca van a llegar...
Us in 10 years will be better then every SA league. Toranto just knocked out America de Mexico So that team is at least at Nacional level. Americans have ton of people plus size, money , training. Issue is they spent 17 years trying to be England and now realized that is stupid. Be a better Mexican league son now they are buying young South American NT talent. You guys say their league is boring or it’s the 5th biggest sport in the US but pretty sure the least popular team still gets more fans per game then anyone other then America de Cali or Nacional in our league US like Italy can steal foriegn talent and have been doing such capping 17 year olds
Man you repeat like a parrot, never analyse....... They have boiught since 15 years ago south american young players.........and the results fro the players and the league are the same. The players went to another league and they failed....because they didnt learn nothing in USA...just became worse player. Montero struggled his career... Toja struggled his proyection Castillo in turkey is sub... Diego Chara lost his contact with NT Jose Erick Correa too... The same have happened for argentinos, Im talking about players that arrived since 2007.........
This argument is meaningless. In USA there is a lot of foreigners from countries that like football, there is more money and the wages are way higher compared to Colombia. The acquisition level isn''t even near. Full stadiums are meaningless when the spectacle is shit. People Will prefer playing basketball or baseball anyway. I've said this before and I'll say It again, eventually, all the investment made by those countries Will Bear fruit, but It Will take a while. Maybe in 20 years when a few kids grow seeing Pulisic and Mckennie doing well for their teams. Coaches in USA are too obsessed with speed and strength that they are failing to recognize talent. Just think of all the shitty strikers you have, Altidore, Zardes, Wood, Morris, all great physically but terrible passers, dribblers and dumb as a brick. Hopefully Sargent becomes the great striker that you are missing. He looks very complete overall.
Mexico en lo deportivo no ha demostrado que es igual de competitivo a argentina o Brasil.......en billetera sin duda lo es y mas......... Muchos jugadores que eran mediocre en colombia uno los ve alla rindiendo muy bien (aviles hurtado, leyton, angulo, borja)... "tambien hay casos contrarios". (predecible por que la liga colombiana no es que sea muy superior)..........tambien casos argentinos como el de funes mori que era un paquetazo en argentina. Las fuerzas basicas en mexico creo que se siguen manejando como toda la vida.......y esa estructura es importante para una liga...........no es un pais donde se respetan procesos, que creo que es lo mas grave y por lo que considero que no han llegado. Ese exceso de extranjeros por equipos (equipos sin nacionales)........lo unico que hace es estancar es el proceso de jugadores mexicanos, que son los que le dan un estilo propio a una liga..... En mexico se confunde mediocridad con paciencia y procesos. Es tan tipico ver que piden la cabeza de jugadores por una fase de playoffs o final no buena, a pesar de haber sido super regulares durante todo el torneo........y los directivos despiden por complacer al periodismo y a la afición que. Viven del marketing, el futbol y lo deportivo en segundo plano............el otro dia un periodista salio dciiendo que el jugador de sudamerica no era innovador y no marcaba la diferencia en mexico como el europeo..........confunden billetera con calidad. La mls tiene el mismo modelo
Tan charros. Que yo sepa solo hay 3 jugadores mexicanos entre los primeros 25 goleadores de su liga. El resto son extranjeros con cuatro particularidades, Djaniny es caboverdiano, Gignac es Francés, Cavallini juega para Canadá pero lo formaron en Uruguay y Honda es Japonés, el resto sudamericanos. Me habla muy mal eso de la formación y la prioridad que le dan a sus jugadores.
England has never hit the Germany, France, Spain or Italy level with all its money but it is better the most of Europe US isn’t going to get to Argentina’s level but it they get to be as good as Colombia, Uruguay or Mexico that is what their ambition should be. At a NT level Club level US teams are already better then many Mexican teams. You personally not liking the league is fine I fking hate the EPL. Find it the most boring shit ever. When’s the last game of mls did you watch? Atlanta FC, Toranto, LA Galaxy play very very well. So many leagues to follow and def not one I follow all that much but any of those 3 teams would be in our final 4.
This weekend I watched Atlanta destroy LAFC. And to me the Game was terrible, It isn't the amount of goals it's just how predictable It all looks. Both teams have very good players, but where are the Americans? The main attraction in those games aren't your local players but the foreigners. I already know Vela, Almiron and Martínez, they are very popular players in their countries. But there isn't a lot of US players in those teams that get my attention, only Nagbe but because I've followed him since Portland. It is an incredibly flawed League in that aspect.
They arent doing nothing to do it.....buying and think that fast is the same as good....isnt the way....... Last weekend.....unluckily is broadcasted in ESPN LA.... Look how easy was the debut for zlatan .........he didnt play since december.....
Ok what English players are in top EPL teams? MLS will be like a Euro league much like England where most players are foriegn becauae of money. That will hopefully make domestic players better as they have to compete for more limited spots In Colombia when we had the drug money were teams mostly foriegn? Quick Wiki search says 58 million Hispanics in the US not sure if it counts illegals or undocumented In the Carribean it’s very popular as well as all the Africans and Europeans. So hug talent pool plus it’s the most played game at youth level + less kids playing American football because of brain damage Just a matter of time. For all the shit their NT gets. They have a way better recent history then most of the top euro NTs. Only reason they didn’t qualify (same as why Mexico almost didn’t in 2014) is concacaf is such shit those two teams just fk around till it’s almost too late. Colombia starts their 1st string against Bolivia in barranquilla. Mexico/Us play their U20s against the concacaf teams
Marcus Rashford, Harry Kane, Sterling, Stones, Dier, Lingard, Henderson, Alli... Come on crzd... Nope. Some players were foreign. Not the whole ********ing starting eleven. You're probably confusing El Dorado times (50's) with the 80's and 90's.
That’s why I asked I wasn’t born. I just feel the US NT and clubs get unfairly shit on. Or they are somehow shit and will always be shit becauae Basketball, baseball, American football is more popular
Man i discovered that lingaard is like 26.........i thought he was a promise . English are atrocious............but at least their example are not the English as other countries..........they sucks but in his own style.
Small sample size.. against a new team that started playing this year. his next game was pretty pedestrian against SKC, a solid team.. I don't expect him to scorch the earth either this year. One thing that falls under the radar is that every team is investing heavily in their academies, adressing the issues that pepino rigthly points out, they are slowly getting away from buying players to actually developping them. the results of that investment are just starting to come out. I disagree, and I'am amazed of the progress MLS has had. There is still a lot of ground to cover. Specially on technique and Tactics. And remember that this Toronto FC is considered one of the best teams in the History of MLS
Maybe @pepinointer and @Baal88 tend to strike a chord with you because you've grown up/born in the states and feel like you have to protect the MLS brand. And maybe they're using some hard adjectives to describe the MLS/US system but they're being honest in what exists today. There is a huge gap in the development of players here in the states. College play is not professional development. Note even close. The pay to play system is deeply entrenched in the US soccer culture from youth and these are paradigms that continue to dominate. For example, many of the "elite" kid travel clubs in my NJ area are managed by British trainers and bring over a very structured, expensive and rigid way of training. Very little room for the creativity of a player but these coaching systems/clubs are the end all to be all in many areas. They Rarely recruit and/or have limited time/staff to recruit. Add to it that many of the young athletes/phenoms with lesser means tend to go to other american sports that guarantee a path to professional pay or minimum collegiate scholarships (football and basketball programs pretty much pay for most NCAA programs). The proof is in the pudding. With all the money that has come out of Mex and US, they have had limited success when they play tougher competition/south american nations . In 20+ years of trying, Mexican clubs have not been able to win a CL and have only won 1 Copa Sudamericana and are requiring more and more foreign talent to enhance their league. You have to find it very troubling that the USMNT did not make it to the WC. There has to be a root cause for all this and filling stadiums and building new state of the art arenas fills owners and advertisers pockets but don't make for better soccer. I like the MLS. I take my kids to games and I think it's a good product considering the league is still figuring itself out. But I can't take it seriously until they get onto a true world futbol calendar (or at least close to it) and start to compete in bigger club tournaments with some success.
Yeah is a small sample, but isnt the only match that i have watched. Yeah i know this there is a big investment......but how is the developing. in which principles??? Yeah mexico also have an ambitious program of developing....... They had this investment in players and in youth division from years ago.....but looking in which models??? EPL have a great infrastructure of youth team.........but have it havent worked... as @kromekote quoted the British trainers are managing a lot of clubs there with their shitty perception of football.... They can do great things....but if the inspiration model sucks.....no results will arrive.... Why not more spaniards coaches, italian, argentines, even colombians......it would be more useful...
why can you take it seriously? it is a real league with real futbol (not at the quality you want but it is seriuos). And the thing is.. there is no "real futbol calendar". you have to take in consideration the distances and climate of the countries. MLS compete in their confederation, unless you want them to compete in Copa Libertadores, which mexico did but paying through the nose for it.