Class of 2019 Recruiting

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by Soccerhunter, Nov 21, 2016.

  1. Soccerhunter

    Soccerhunter Member+

    Sep 12, 2009
    The 2019 recruiting class is moving along at pace with 99 recruits committed over the last 13 months. While this is more than the 68 committed by this time in 2017 it is well down from the 138 commits that were reported in mud November in 2018. I am not sure why there is such an apparent shift in commitment numbers as this figure had been steadily growing for the last 5 years. Will 2018 prove the high watermark?

    In the 2019 class, most all of the very top players are long since committed, and there are many other upper and mid level players committed as well. Penn State is at the top of the heap with verbal commitments from three top players from the USYNT U17 Team USA that played in the U17 world cup this year -Kate Weisner (California), Coriana Dyke (Colorado), and Leah Scarpelli (New Jersey) plus another strong prospect in Payton Linnehan (Massachusetts) who is a regular on the U15 team. UNC has 2 top 2019 commitments, but after PSU and UNC, a number of well known soccer schools have one each from the top echelon of this class. (That would be Stanford, UCLA, Duke, Texas Tech, Notre Dame, Texas A&M, and Tennessee.) There are also additional solid commitments further down the line with no national team exposure, BUT there are still about 15 more excellent blue chippers in this 2019 class that have not yet committed and surely the schools listed above -and more- are eagerly talking to these players.

    As per my practice, I will not get a comprehensive first ranking out until there are 200 or more players committed in this class.

    Cheers!
     
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  2. uncchamps2012

    uncchamps2012 Member

    Jul 9, 2011
    appreciate your efforts!
     
  3. olelaliga

    olelaliga Member

    Aug 31, 2009
    Thanks also, your work is entertaining. However, I don't believe that Dyke and Scarpelli were on the u17 WC team. They are blue chippers for sure, but not quite accurate.

    I wonder how many kids in this class are sitting on multiple offers and potentially tying up scholarships. If there are several, could this phenomenon contribute to the lower rate when compared to 2018? My kid's coach has advised her to hold her decision until after Sanford. She is one of the higher profile kids on the team and I can't help but wonder if, in part at least, he wants to keep her uncommitted to maintain a sideline draw. She is OK with the delay because she is finding the decision very difficult and also if she can help out her teammates, she is glad to do so. Frankly, she is almost paralyzed with fear over making a mistake with this decision, being well aware of the transfer statistics. When she (finally- I won't lie this process has been difficult for a young adolescent) does choose, and I am not even sure at this point what her decision will be, she will open up nearly a million dollars in scholarship money. Her commitment will cause a cascade in offers extended to other kids. If there are several others of her classmates in similar circumstance, as I suspect there are, the 2019s might catch up quickly early in the new year.
     
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  4. MiLLeNNiuM

    MiLLeNNiuM Member+

    Aug 28, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are correct about Scarpelli, she was on the U-15 and U-16 team. Dyke has gotten called into the U-17 camps several times, but didn't make the cut for the final WWC roster.

    I'm fairly certain that a verbal commitment can only be made to one school, although the student can switch schools/allegiance before they actually sign a National Letter of Intent. I've never actually heard of a situation where a student had made several verbal commitments (publicly).
     
  5. olelaliga

    olelaliga Member

    Aug 31, 2009
    Uh, the statement was that Dyke was "from the USYNT U17 Team USA that played in the U17 world cup this year". Unless one considers the whole U17 pool to be "on the team", I corrected that statement for both.

    Regarding your second statement. I said nothing about verbally committing, I said" sitting on offers". My kid has had multiple offers put forward to her. These started appearing in the spring of this year. To some she has said, "no thanks looking elsewhere". But to others she said, "thank you very much, my coach has advised me to make my decision timeline in January". One expressed some dissatisfaction that she didn't accept on the spot, some asked which other schools she was considering, and others just said we are OK with that timeline. She calls all of them after events and they give her coaching and feedback she has found valuable both in her play and in understanding their style and their expectations of her.

    She also has had the advantage of watching the teams play multiple times this year since so many games were streamed. Further, she attended at least one game at each school to get the game day vibe. She sat in the locker room during the pregame events, watched film with them. She was on the field during pregame warm ups and one head coach spent a good 40 minutes talking to her and teaching her tricks. She generally gathered as much information as possible to feel as confident as any kid could having to make a decision 2-3 years ahead of her non athletic peers.

    Can they decide to not wait for her answer and an offer that money elsewhere? Yes, of course there is some element of risk. But what has actually happened is that one came back and upped her offer to match others he knew were out there from talking to opposing college coaches on the sidelines. So far its worked out. If she loses one or more, I think she'll just feel like then it wasn't meant to be and her decision will be that much simpler.
     
  6. MiLLeNNiuM

    MiLLeNNiuM Member+

    Aug 28, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, OK. Makes sense now on both counts.
    Good luck with your kid's future school choice(s).
     
  7. olelaliga

    olelaliga Member

    Aug 31, 2009
    Thanks we appreciate it.
    My point was in wondering if others were tying up money like my child is doing, then might it not bust open early in the new year?

    I am also looking to provide information for families with kids in the top tiers through this process. We found lots of info on the net on how to pick schools, to send emails, and make game tapes etc. Probably great advice for most players. But she didn't do any of that, Instead she is faced with other challenges in the process- few of which seem to be addressed anywhere. Over the years, her coach has proven a wise sage extending excellent advice to her even if I had a cynical thought or two on his motives and we really appreciate what he does.
     
  8. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member

    May 5, 2007
    Great story and situation really. Should be proud.
    If I were her, I'd be looking at 2 things closely. Assuming money and playing time are not big differences.
    Tenure/stability of coach and I think distance from home is under-rated. It's rare these days to have the same coach recruit you in 10th grade still there on Sr Day. But you want that coaches evaluation of you to be as stable as possible over time. Unless the player is an "obvious starter" at a top-20 program, coaching changes are a drag and stressful. Even for the clear starters.
    And when your kid gets a flu, or just needs to study, or is looking for work during the breaks, it's much easier if they are in your region compared to half a country away. Family seeing lots of games, being home for all the holidays, coming home for a random meal and laundry. These things make a difference for lots of kids. Some are just fine being across the country but the consequences should be discussed at length.
    Put another way- if she goes to CA, or TX, of FL and the campus town is a cool place to be in the summer, she may not be coming back home much...ever. Again, maybe that's great but something to think about.
    Good Luck!
     
  9. olelaliga

    olelaliga Member

    Aug 31, 2009
    Thanks, I think she's getting a little cold feet on the distance thing. At first she was all about the "best" soccer program above everything else. I don't think she has given up her little girl WNT dream (which in all honesty isn't completely crazy if still relatively low odds). But now after having flown her across the country on several occasions, she seems to be feeling more love for the driveable options. Can't say we are bummed about that. The "cost of attendance" cash now allowed makes it possible for us to see her play regularly even if she decides on one of the distant options. She won't be doing her laundry at home in any of the options. The coaches longevity we have considered and one of the schools is in question for exactly that uncertainty. None of the coaches have "guaranteed" starting spots nor would we expect them to do so. They mostly say, we don't bring kids in like this who we don't expect to play. They do offer what they like about her game and how she would fit in position wise and with the other players present and committed and their attributes.

    I should also say that though I admit it kills me not to know, she makes her calls to the coaches without any input from us. I don't believe that people should be put on speaker phone without their knowledge. I would love to know what direction they are giving her, but I don't get much from her after these conversations. We have decided basically to let her steer especially since all of her choices are fortunately excellent. Still there is a lot of angst right now in our house as decision time looms.
     
  10. Glove Stinks

    Glove Stinks Member

    Jan 20, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I am a few years separated from what you are experiencing but you describe our experience to the tee. Rest assured it all falls in place. Mine stayed on the same side of the country and relatively easy to fly to, but we still count on streaming and the conference network for most games. Good Luck
     
  11. MiLLeNNiuM

    MiLLeNNiuM Member+

    Aug 28, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a general statement, I can say this much, it's better that you're letting her steer her own way.
    This way she will never put blame on you (not saying she would) if things are not going well.
    She will be forced to work through her problems, because she made the choice(s) she's following.
    It's a good life learning experience, although parents experience angst in this phase of a child's life.
    You just have to trust in the input you made over the years raising your kid.
     
  12. Soccerhunter

    Soccerhunter Member+

    Sep 12, 2009
    Well, it's been almost two years since anyone posted on this thread!

    Looking forward to 2019 Class....

    I won't post the final recruiting classes until August (and all the rosters will reveal the transfers and foreign players) but I will post an "outlook" now and an update probably in March.

    At the moment, virtually all of the known top prospects have committed --months if not years ago. Things will yet change as some players may not be admitted to top schools and there still is time for some under the radar players to show well this spring. But that being said, here is an overall outlook at where the 2019 class may be going.

    In 2019 Stanford does have top recruits Kennedy Wesley and Maya Doms committed and a few more good players further down the list, but they may lose their grip on the #1 class as Penn State also has 2 players in the top ten and 5 players in the top 25 on my lists.

    UCLA is in the running with top tens Mia Fishel and Sunshine Fontes (plus more), and Virginia may surprise. Duke has a top ten player in Sophie Jones and a solid talent in Sarah Piper, and BC has the Agresti Twins. (UNC has a big class of mostly local players who are pretty far down the list, although they do have commitments from several players with national youth team experience -defenders Maycee Bell and local Tori Hansen.)

    I'll venture an ordered list from what I know at the moment. But bear in mind that this will change in some particulars (-- remember in 2016 when Pugh finally decided not to play at UCLA it vaulted Stanford into the top position again--) and things will look different by August although the overall order should be recognizable. Also keep in mind that teams close to each other will turn out to not be statistically significant as to exact order, but I do use a numeric system, so I can order the teams at least into tiers. Also please note that the three tiers that I will list will all be roughly in the top 8 percent of the 333 Division I classes. Not bad!

    Tier I (top 1%)
    Stanford
    UCLA,
    Penn State

    Tier II (top 3%)
    Virginia
    UNC
    Notre Dame
    Duke
    USC
    Boston College
    California
    West Virginia

    Tier III (top 8%)
    FSU
    Washington State
    Clemson
    Santa Clara
    Tennessee
    Harvard
    TAMU
    Oregon
    Texas Tech
    Arizona
    Miss State
    Ohio State
    Michigan St.
    (Plus you favorite team of course! ;-)
     
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  13. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    How many of these top recruits have you seen play in person or on TV ? Not going to mention names, but many of the girls you mention are, imo, not going to have a big impact at the next level. What would be very interesting would be to look at say the 2018 class and see how many are actually playing anywhere close to where they were "ranked" . I bet that "list" looks very different to the TDS one.

    Take the Penn State Class . GK - needs shoulder surgery. A fwd also about to go under the knife for an injury that has a low percentage in terms of recovery. EW seems to be able to sell these kids early on PSU, but look at that team so far this year. FT was massive recruit , no? What has happened to date? Some of these kids going there from the West Coast are in for a huge surprise playing in tougher conditions vs big physical teams. Big adjustment.
     
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  14. Soccerhunter

    Soccerhunter Member+

    Sep 12, 2009
    Well, 007, since I have made these same points numerous times over the years, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

    When I put out these tier rankings, I am not projecting into the future in any way and when I get to the final results in August, will put out my customary list of caveats and disclaimers one of which is that it is common for a player who had a stellar club and USYNT career to fade in college (and some under the radar played to blossom.)

    Since I try to strive for consistency between years, I stick to a numerical system ranking each player on a roster. In doing so I am very aware (and have stated so many times) that the data I can collect on each player varies widely in availability and consequently there will be errors when compared to any perfect recruiting ranking system (of which there are none.) Compared to other ranking systems, I also include transfers which leads to different results. In addition, I boil each class down to a single number which I acknowledge is misleading in that a coach may be filling in specific gaps in the line-up and looking for qualities not measured by any data I can find. Finally I state that these rankings are for fan interest and fun, and don't take them too seriously. They are meant only to show trends.

    Cheers!
     
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  15. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017

    It's the same in every sport. If you examined how any year's top 100 high-school football prospects were doing, say, two or three years after signing, about half--on average, I'd say--would be making less than a major contribution to their teams--some not starting at all, some playing but average performers, some starting and playing solidly but not spectacularly--and maybe 10 or 15, tops, who've become top college players. It's a big jump to major-college athletics for all but the true blue-chips--and even a lot of them struggle.
     
  16. MiLLeNNiuM

    MiLLeNNiuM Member+

    Aug 28, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks for your work @Soccerhunter. I appreciate the hard work you put into these rankings year in and year out.
     
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  17. Brian Webb

    Brian Webb New Member

    Aug 7, 2016
    San Marcos, CA
    Club:
    --other--
    I agree. They can't get it right in the NFL either.

    Just for my team... The Denver Broncos
    First rounders

    2010 Demaryius Thomas Wide receiver Georgia Tech WATCH HIM DROP A KEY CATCH TONITE

    2010 Tim Tebow Quarterback Florida GREAT PERSON!, OUT OF NFL

    2011 Von Miller Linebacker Texas A & M OK, THEY GOT THIS ONE RIGHT

    2013 Sylvester Williams Defensive tackle North Carolina, UGH. I think with Lions

    2014 Bradley Roby Cornerback Ohio State UGH has potential WILL BE BEATEN TONITE ROUTINELY

    2015 Shane Ray Linebacker Missouri, Injured, POTENTIAL, Hunt will run right by him

    2016 Paxton Lynch Quarterback Memphis . SUPER UGH, OUT OF NFL

    2017 Garett Bolles Offensive tackle Utah HE WILL HAVE THE MOST TACKLES TONITE - He is a Offensive Lineman, so that is BAD

    2018 Bradley Chubb Defensive end NC State, WE WILL SEE
     
  18. Number007

    Number007 Member

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    I get that. It would be interesting to look at the data for Womens socer post ranking. Seem many of these kids play a lot. It gets into sticky ground when you want to make objective comments, about HS kids. So i wont. Lets just say I dont understand the rankings or what they are actually based on other than hearsay in many cases. HS Football is a business. There is a lot of time and money pored nto every aspect of it.

    In WoSo from a young age we seem to latch on to a player name and ignore any evidence that she may not have become what we envisioned until the very enc.
     
  19. Crazyhorse

    Crazyhorse Member

    Dec 29, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FSU has a 2019 commit from Bermuda of all places! Her name is Leilanni Nesbeth, has anyone seen her play, anyone have a scouting report on her? Thanks in advance.
     
  20. Soccerhunter

    Soccerhunter Member+

    Sep 12, 2009
    As I believe I mentioned here in June (and at this time there is no way I can tell if anything has changed) Nesbeth appears to be a woman among girls on the Bermuda team. The Bermudian U17s are (how shall I say this??) pretty bad. Mark undoubtedly scouted her when she came to Florida to finish up the CONCACAF U17 tournament when it got too dangerous in Nicaragua, In the qualifiers Nesbeth scored essentially all the goals and then again in the group stages before they moved to the US. Mark would have seen her against the US as the Bermudian team lost 10-1, and maybe against Costa Rica where they only got beat 6-1. She was invited to the conveniently timed FSU ID camp this summer and apparently impressed there. Nesbeth lives in England during the school year and plays for several teams there including a U23 development team for a local club and also for her school.

    Bottom line is that she appears to be an athlete with speed and decent soccer skills. If her development comes along she could pleasantly surprise at FSU.
     
  21. Crazyhorse

    Crazyhorse Member

    Dec 29, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks, speed is much needed for FSU.
     
  22. FutbolFan15

    FutbolFan15 Member

    Orlando city
    Brazil
    Oct 31, 2017
    Eastern Kentucky Univesity had to decomitt their 2019 GK MT. She’s on the OESA 00 ECNL team. Because, she aledgedly was caught violating school rules during her official visit last week.
     
  23. FutbolFan15

    FutbolFan15 Member

    Orlando city
    Brazil
    Oct 31, 2017
    She aledegly keep using the inappropriate N word during her official visit to EKU? But, was spotted visiting Brown today?
     
  24. McSkillz

    McSkillz Member+

    UCLA Bruins
    United States
    Nov 22, 2014
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not familiar with a lot of the potential up and comers but I'm planning on watching the FIFA U-17 Women's World Cup this month and keeping an eye out on all those rosters.
     
  25. FutbolFan15

    FutbolFan15 Member

    Orlando city
    Brazil
    Oct 31, 2017
    You would be correct in your assumptions. If your kid is a top recruit, her coach will use her to attract college recruiters to your matches to assist the other noncommitted players on the team. Also, I heard from a parent that one of the coaches who’s the VP of the ECNL practice the bait and switch. Once a college coach inquires about one of his players he would talk up a different player that he personally felt was a better fit for that program.
     

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