Clasificatorias a Rusia 2018 [R]

Good points.

What I meant by my comment on 'bad form' is that this has been evident since the game in Paraguay. However, we have been in this position before.

 

This is what I've been trying to say.

Check out these numbers:

In the 2014 qualifiers, Chile was on 12 points after the completion of round 11. After this round, Chile had 7 rounds to turn things around. We lost matches in four consecutive rounds:

• 1-3 vs. Colombia (Santiago);
• 1-3 vs. Ecuador (Quito);
• 1-2 vs. Argentina (Santiago);
• 0-1 vs. Peru (Lima).

In the same qualifiers, Uruguay went 6 rounds (7 if one includes round 13) without a win. They suffered heavy defeats (0-4 vs. Colombia, 0-3 vs. Argentina, & 1-4 vs. Bolivia) and dropped points at home to Ecuador and Paraguay.

Both teams had to dig deep, and found a way in the remaining rounds.

So far in these qualifiers, Chile sits on 11 points, but with with 9 rounds remaining. Points have been dropped. But, this squad is more experienced than four years ago. Also, in my view, the two most difficult away matches for Chile are now in the past: Uruguay in Montevideo and Ecuador in Quito. For the record, going into these qualifiers, I thought it'd be more possible to obtain points away to Colombia, and even Argentina and Brazil, than in either of these mentioned fortresses.

We just need a performance of epic proportions, and then gradually re-find strength.

 

Tucu out for the match.

 

Actually, we've never ever won at Quito in any official match.

The only time we defeated Ecuador playing at Quito, was for a friendly match in 1993.

 

If we want a chance in this we have to take points AWAY at either Colombia, Argentina and Brazil and I'm talking about 3 points worth, a single draw won't do. Not to mention Bolivia which I think our competitors will also take points from. That's why, unless there is a reversal on the Bolivia situation, I think we are ********ed (no matter if we beat Peru or not).

So far Colombia has beaten Paraguay away and gotten a draw from Santiago. Ecuador has beaten Argentina away and trashed us in Quito. Argentina beat us in Santiago... etc, you get the picture. All our direct rivals are one-upping us. If we wan't to have any chance in this we have to return the favour... and that means beating Colombia... or getting historic results in Brazil or Argentina.

All of this, of course, underlined by not losing more points at home (against Uruguay, Ecuador, Paraguay among others).

That defeat against Paraguay really hurts... they were among the easiest away games, together with Bolivia and Venezuela. Colombia did their job there and are now another 3 points clear. The draw against Bolivia was a kick while we were down. Ecuador was expected.

 

You are exaggerating, the real needs that our NT has to achieve, in order to qualify for the next WC.

In theory, to qualify from Conmebol, all that is needed, with absolute certainty without the need of the calculator, is 27 pts, which will get any team whom does that, into the playoff against New Zeland (on the paper an easy opponent for everyone in Conmebol). Getting a little less than those 27 pts, is also possible to qualify, but in order to achieve it, we would be highly dependable on lots of other results, where we are not playing.
To achieve that, all that is basicly needed is to win every match at home against every one of our opponents, and for every point lost at home, we need to recover them playing away.

In practice, playing at home, as we lost against Argentina, we had the need to recover those points playing away, and since we defeated Peru at Lima, the next match, those points were covered. Since along the way, we also had draws vs. Colombia and Bolivia, as we got only one point in both of those matches, we lost 4 points in them, but as we also defeated Venezuela away (3 pts. there), leaves us only one point short. So in reality, all we must do from here to the end, is win every one of the remaining matches at home (Peru, Uruguay, Venezuela, Paraguay and Ecuador, which in total are 15 pts.), together with at least one point away, against any of the other teams that still remain (Colombia, Argentina, Bolivia or Brazil). Oh yes, one point it's not that much, but just by looking at those opponents, we have the absolute certainty, that it will not be easy. Chile usually beats Bolivia away, but that always has happened before, after we prepared that match seriously, for a couple of months before it. Now we have to do the same, no excuses, and we should start right away, by putting a lock on Vidal's mouth, because everything he is saying only encourages our eventual opponents, more, than what is doing on our own team.

Now if we actually, do win every match at home, but don't recover that point we are still missing, away, maybe praying could help for those who believe in god, but for those of us who don't, we would be fvk'd only depending on lots of other results to get to the next WC.

Of course, if we happen to lose more points at home, our task will have to be (there is no other way), to get the same amount of lost points, away from home which would be added to that point , we are still short on.
Still possible, but our odds on this one, are very low.

@posteador , I suggest you to not give much importance to what others have been doing till now, as by now, everyone of them is only half way through (the same as we are now), and the fixture for every team is diferent, being easier the first round for some, while being easier the last round for the rest, being ours specifically, probably one of the worst (I believe that the one from Colombia, beats ours by being the worst of all). In our case, from the begining we knew that the second round was going to be easier than the first. (In the case of Ecuador for instance, their easier half was the first half, and from here to the end it's uphill for them).
Start really getting worried after the next 3 matches to be played this year (2 of them, are at home), as after they get played, only then we will start looking much clearer, whom is doing better and whom isn't.

Oh, and if by any chance FIFA, next week, gives us the points lost vs. Bolivia, means we would be back on track, not only not being short on one point, but being one point over (means that if we only win every match remaining at home, at the end, we would have achieved 28 pts., with which almost means, direct tickets to the WC with no playoff)

 

The match between Chile and Peru is for sure very emotional match.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean–Peruvian_maritime_dispute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arica_y_Parinacota_Region#Border_dispute_with_Peru

Reactions against Ecuador were pretty bad, the usual ball flow wasn't achieved. I expect Chilean victory tonight, maybe not in some football beauty, but result is very important to advance further.

Peru doesn't have players in stronger clubs. Stronger clubs, where they play are Flamengo, Sao Paulo, Feyenoord, PSV.

Peruvian players don't like discipline. So, if Santiago opens casinos... The good result is here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peru_national_football_team_indiscipline_scandals

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries/southamerica/index.html

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/teams/team=43925/players.html

Good luck Chile.

 

To be fair, it's not like Chile have altar boys on their team

 

I have spent plenty of time at altitude in the andes, alps, and altiplano. I've walked from sea level to over 3,000 metre mountain peaks in one day, and not even noticed the altitude. I reached about 3,000 metres earlier in this year on the mountain that looks out over Santiago, the one you can see from the national stadium. I woke up that morning at 300m, parked the car at 800m, walked to 3,000m, felt nothing.

I travelled to San Pedro de Atacama (2,500m) in 1 day from Santiago, felt nothing, for instance. I took the kids and wife up to the Embalse del Yeso a few weeks, that is about 2,000m or 2,500m I think, none of the 4 of us felt that slightest difference.

Now La Paz, at 3,700m (and it is not possible to reach the stadium by the way without passing through a zone of altitude 4,000m, indeed the airport is at that altitude) is a completely different matter. You fly into La Paz, you are really likely to get sick.

Most other travellers I met say about the same.

But, for Quito, no. Quito's altitude is a piece of cake to adjust to in 2 days or less (for most, it varies by person). Even if you flew direct to the airport you would have to go jogging hard or walking up a steep hill to even notice the difference, you would probably not immediately feel it. Of course, for a top flight football match there can be finer differences that might have impacted a closer match.

That being said, I am stunned to find that they went to Quito from Guayaquil on the day of the game. That is such utter lunacy it is hard to believe. Fly to Quito direct 2-3 days before and wait there one day and then light training would make more sense. What on earth where they doing in Guayaquil.

Still, look at the goals and other chances they gave away. There are huge gaps in the defence, that is just bad marking. There are no moments where someone outran someone or was out of breath, it was bad organization. So I don't think altitude is the culprit.

Chileans may well have high mountains, but their cities are almost all at very low altitudes. Apart from a small, unpopulated part in the north, they have no high plains so probably have less experience. I bet the Ecuadorians laughed really hard when they heard the Chileans were acclimatizing in Guayaquil and then travelling to Quito on the day of the game. That raises serious questions about the competence of whoever decided that.

 

The only reason I am looking the other way is because it looks to me like we will be depending on other results for this one. I am particularly concerned about getting a spot secure before our final match against Brazil in Brazil.

This is why only getting those points back would restore my confidence. I am well aware mathematically it is too soon to be worried, but the way we have been playing, it is difficult NOT to feel concerned. I am not even sure we can beat everyone of our remaining opponents at home (I'm giving myself a little leeway and I am going to assume even in our current state we can beat Bolivia away to cover for another loss at home), specially if we continue to get bans for intolerant behaviour by our crowd, but getting those 2 points from Bolivia should allow us not to need any points away at Colombia, Argentina or Brazil... which would be HUGE... or maybe draw one against Uruguay or Paraguay and only needing a point away at Colombia for example... which gives me a ray of hope... FIFA please...

Agree about Vidal, I love him, but he needs to shut the ******** up and stop getting our opponents pumped up, we need to go in quietly and go about our business. It just hardly ever works to talk so much trash before a match if you are in a team sport. He thinks he's Muhammad Ali or something but he forgets that the rest of the team isn't in such a hot form...

Yup, this doesn't help either. Hopefully our aura has decreased so much lately than even Peru are feeling a little over-confident.

 

Con el empate a última de Ecuador en Bolivia, creo que ya estamos eliminados.

4 partidos de local les quedan y es difícil que perdonen porque Venezuela, Ecuador, Colombia y Argentina no son especialmente duros para ellos en Quito. Chile tiene que jugar de local ante Uruguay es muy complicado que gane ese partido.

Ni se me ocurre pensar en que se le pueda pelear a Colombia como dirán los optimistas porque andan sólidos, ganan lo que deben ganar y con eso es suficiente.

 

Por ahi Colombia llega clasificado? Hmmm... no... para que estamos con cosas... o FIFA nos da 2 puntitos de oro o se nos pone peluda la cosa. Hoy puede que Peru no de una mano y nos empate/derrote y se termina la tortura.

 

Nop, resulta que en casa, ya perdieron 3 pts. contra Brasil, además perdieron otros 2 pts., cuando les empató Paraguay. En casa aun les falta Colombia, Argentina, Perú y Venezuela, siendo que Colombia igual les sabe jugar de visita siendo uno de los equipos de Sudamérica que más puntos les ha sacado en Quito.

De visita, es quizás peor, pues les falta Uruguay, Brasil, Paraguay y con nosotros

 

Sin Dios Ni Ley,, I don't see why it has to be all about Ecuador.

Chile can catch Paraguay and maybe Colombia, even Brazil is not certain to qualify, they still look a poor team.

Argentina and Uruguay are the only ones out of reach for Chile if they get good results.

 

I'm a bit confused that Chile's matches at the Copa America sold out the day the tickets went on sale, and yet here we are in a world cup qualifier, and it looks quite far from full. it seems the Chilean public think that a Copa America group stage >> world cup qualifier, which is not what I would have expected.

 

que dramatismo.... si se le gana a peru, chile estara entre 2-3 puntos del repechaje y entre 3-4 de un cupo directo...quedando 8 partidos

 

Se gano, importante.

 

Rickdog made this point before. It was a serious error by Pizzi, if the final decision was his.

Against Bolivia in La Paz, he needs to take a different approach.

 

Se extiende un poco más la agonía con el rajazo de hoy, pero la verdad sea dicha, Chile está jugando muy mal y varios de sus futbolistas están en pésimo momento, y hasta en lo físico que siempre fue la gran baza de la selección, los noto desgastados. A menos que el panorama cambie dramáticamente y el plantel se juramente y enfoque para sacar esto adelante, Rusia queda muy lejos.

El enfrentamiento ante Uruguay no puede llegar en un peor momento y es el partido clave de lo que llevamos de Clasificatorias. Me siento tentado a dar por perdido lo de Colombia porque desde hace un buen rato que Chile pierde contra los que se supone que va perder.

Y el plantel que ponga de su parte. Vargas horrible, se nota la falta de fútbol y ya debería buscar un regreso a Brasil; Puch, puro hueviando y gracias a ello ya no me fío del medio mexicano (Millar nos costó Bolivia). Valdivia, a mover contactos. Por último a la MLS. Jara a chuplicarle a algún club en Argentina para que lo contraten.

 

What I can take away from this game and the round, in general:

1. Vidal got us over the line. Without him, we simply don't get the points;
2. Our forwards, right now, don't look like they could hurt any team in the world. We are likely to concede, especially in these qualifiers when we look to take the game on, so the forwards need to score to give the team a chance. Something needs to change here;
3. Before this round, we were 5 points behind Ecuador and Colombia. This difference is now 3 points. We were 5 points behind Argentina. This difference is now 2 points;
4. I think that Argentina losing at home this round to Paraguay (and in the opening round to Ecuador) indicates that they seem to drop their shoulders against perceivably inferior opposition. I think that they are much more likely to treat games against Colombia and Chile at home like a final;
5. The next two rounds in November are crucial. If our forwards can't get into the right gear, I can't see us taking points from Colombia or Uruguay.

 

when is Medel back?

 

Vidal le da un respiro a Pizzi quien sigue con un pie afuera. El melenudo no vacila en jugar a Vidal que estaba bastante maltrecho, pero no juega a Valdivia que solo tenía una leve molestia. Qué boludo!