Christian Pulisic Thread

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by ussoccer97531, Oct 21, 2015.

  1. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    with US senior
    Jozy is 42g in 115 app
    Puli is 10g in 31 app and 9 assists
     
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  2. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    your stats are a little short. he has 13G and 10A in 31 appearances.

    He had a hand in the majority of our goals in the Hex. Besides the goals and assists, he also drew free kicks that were converted and had rebounds put in.
     
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  3. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    sry, yeah, actually USSF gives him 9 assists
    https://www.ussoccer.com/players/p/christian-pulisic
     
  4. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Can you prove otherwise? Thought not.

    Oh, that surely settles it!
     
  5. PassionOfTheFoot

    Feb 12, 2002
    Here and there
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    It's ridiculous that this discussion is even happening here.
     
  8. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So is the talk about Pulisic is better suited to be an 8 instead of a Winger or 10 because his decent but slow start in the EPL.
     
  9. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    He's better suited to be an 8 than a 10 or a scoring winger at Chelsea because as a club player in 94 appearances he's got 13 goals and 9 assists.

    As I've said, my guess is that if he settles into a regular role at Chelsea, it will be more as an 8 than as an attacking winger or 10 - this year.

    He's 20? He'll get better.
     
  10. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Can't find the delete function. So, instead of deleting, I erased.
     
  11. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I disagree with you on this, but it has been said in thid thread CP is a force multiplier. He has the ability to create something special out of nothing. There is no official soccer term for danger creator, but Pulisic creates dangerous situations for defenses.

    It is kind of like the goal where the keeper spilled the ball, (got fouled whatever the goal stood) that allowed a goal to happen. He made that goal by causing the spill.

    His defense is not good enough to be an 8. He is bang average at defending and appears to have little interest in doing it for very long stretches. if he was playing an 8 role they would get overrun in the midfield even worse than they are now.
     
  12. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    He's super (bang?) active. And, he's a good defender when called upon to do it. He's a better defender than Bradley or Trapp, I'm not saying he should be playing at the 6.

    I'm saying that he won't end the season as a regular at the winger role, or as a 10 at Chelsea. Time will tell. We have a long time to find out.

    Yes, he was instrumental in that goal, poking the goal at the keeper. He also was a big part of the build up, too. Having watched the match, I thought he played fine. He needs to work on shooting with his left - opponents are giving him the left and he's not taking it.
     
  13. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #4188 EruditeHobo, Sep 4, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2019
    And before Ribery was 22, he had 4 goals and 8 assists in 42 club matches. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to directly compare those players, I don't think they are necessarily very similar or will have similar careers... but I think this should suffice to highlight the fact that you're not exactly looking at the full picture.

    In terms of dribbling, advancing the ball, and touches in opponent's box, CP has already performed on a very high level for a damn good team in a top 4 league. I'm not looking at the numbers, however I think some of that was elite-level play, and in some of the related metrics he was elite for European youth players. Despite not being elite on some other attacking terms, like raw xG or xA over the course of a single season for instance, he's still been way up there, comparing favorably to guys like Firmino or Griezmann or Malcom before they popped after turning 21/22, in a stat like combined xG+A per 90.

    I'm not even one of the superfans that ignores CP's mistakes or anything... but he's certainly not an 8. If he's playing there, it's out of desperation of SOME kind. If Chelsea were healthy he'd never see the pitch as an "8".
     
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  14. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Goals and assists is a horrible way of sorting out what positions players should play. Pulisic is most adept getting in behind a defense and running at defenders. He isn’t a traditional winger or 10 but that doesn’t make him an 8. I can just about guarantee he will not see the field as an 8 for Chelsea. He’s got to improve but he hasn’t been horrible either.

    Not that it matters or is the most reliable but Transfermark has 90 appearances with 13 goals and 18 assists as a 17 to 20 year old in the German top flight.

    We do agree on 1 thing. He’s 20 (turning 21 this month) and he will get better.
     
  15. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    It may be stupid, but at least it's relevant to CP.
     
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  16. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Production is a good way to measure whether someone is a fit for playing as a 10, or an attacking winger.

    Puli isn't going to play center forward. He isn't going to displace Mount or Barkley as the center attacking midfielder. His shot is either at one of those wing spots, or one of the other midfield spots. If it's one of the other midfield spots, he will be, essentially, and 8. You (all of you) may want to argue about the number you want to call that. But, it isn't a 10, and it wouldn't be attacking winger.

    So, essentially, y'all are saying that the only way Puli gets regular playing time will be as an attacking winger. I disagree.
     
  17. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    CP is not an 8 nor a 6. Any coaches who wants to use him there is insane.

    I could see him potentially used as a forward like an Aguerro, Paco, etc. before I see him in an 8/6 role.
     
  18. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Who is talking about using him as a 6?

    It's always fun to pretend someone said something they didn't so you can shoot it down, amirite????
     
  19. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    NV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's not an 8 and while willing and puts in effort, his defending is at best adequate for an attacker. If Chelsea gets to the point of needing to play Pulisic as a true 8 for significant minutes, they are in deep trouble.
     
  20. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Call it what you want. I don't think he ends up in the rotation at attacking winger, center forward, or the attacking mid Barkley/Mount role. But, I think there's a good chance he ends up a regular in the rotation, at a midfield role that is not the Mount/Barkley attacking role. What are we going to call that?
     
  21. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Taking him away from the more attacking positions is not a very likely decision to be taken by Chelsea anytime soon... for fairly obvious reasons.
     
  22. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
  23. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hello. Your comments about Christian Pulisic are perfectly welcome in this thread. They're thoughtful and the fact that your praise of him is guarded and/or focused on his potential is not at all a problem. Nor is it a problem if you or anyone else criticizes Pulisic's play. Thoughtful rebuttals are also welcomed. As long as everyone stays within the guidelines for this forum, it's fair play.

    That said, we now seem to have reached the point where you're arguing that a grown man laughing (I'm not sure if he's one who stripped) and throwing peanuts at people was merely indulging in generic drunken idiocy and furthermore that suggestions it had anything to do with 9/11 are fantasy. This is despite the fact that it occurred in the days immediately following the attacks (indeed, Lampard and his friends were at loose ends because their match had been cancelled because of the attacks) and contemporary accounts of the event describe the men as targeting distressed, Americans whom the attacks stranded on their way home. I'd like to think Lampard, et alia, spent at least part of the next day thinking "Oh my God, I did what? Those poor people!" I'm sure Lampard learned from the experience. I'm sure he regrets it. I'm also sure it had to do with 9/11.

    Which brings me to my next point.
    This is the post that began the off topic, uh, stuff that forced me to post from my day job in my mom's basement. It had to do with 9/11, but it has very little to do with this thread's main topic. Let's drop it here, shall we?

    Which is a (typically convoluted) way of me saying I'll be deleting any further developments of this theme. CP is interesting enough in his own right that we don't need adornments like this.
     
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  24. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Can we get a moderator to put an end to this off topic Bull Sh!t? I have no idea why ANYONE is talking about Lampard in any way other than how he deploys CP in this thread.
     
  25. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    So, what do you think is going to happen?

    Will he be a regular as an attacking winger?
    Will he displace Barkley or Mount in the central attacking role?

    My guess is that he settles into a midfield role, alongside Barkley or Mount. Which is, effectively, an 8
     

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