Christian Pulisic Thread

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by ussoccer97531, Oct 21, 2015.

  1. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    CP hasn't had the opportunity to do this, and the US got there by completely flukey means in 02.

    Which has nothing to do with Donovan in that tournament, who was very good as I recall. But still this isn't comparing apples to oranges I don't think.
     
  2. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    The comparison was of the players' accomplishments in a US uniform by age 20. So, yeah, Donovan had done more.
     
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  3. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe you're right, I think I misread him.
     
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  4. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT

    Too bad Pulisic din't get his chance at the WC as a 19yr old, since the vets on this team failed him.

    Btw, Pulisic is the youngest player ever to win the USMNT best player award. He also breaks almost every Bundesliga records as a young foreigner.
     
  5. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT

    Was the comparison specific to USMNT contributions, or overall player achievements in their soccer career by the age of 20?

    If it is overall soccer career, Pulisic won hands down.

    If it's USMNT contributions, I say it's debatable. Donovan has the WC going for him, but Pulisic has way more goals/assists than Donovan by age 20; and Pulisic just turned 20 so he's still got some games to up his numbers.
     
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  6. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT

    How old was Donovan when he was useful for Everton on loan?
     
  7. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mean other than scoring against Mexico in the World Cup when he was 20?
     
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  8. Centennial

    Centennial Member+

    Apr 4, 2003
    Centennial
    I apologize for asking. Next time I’ll just use google
     
  9. napper

    napper Member+

    Jan 14, 2014
    Fullerton
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope Lamps doesn’t play Pulisic at the 10. That’s not his game.
     
  10. Schul350

    Schul350 New Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jun 26, 2019
    When Arena's tactics were actually relevant and they pulled a miracle type run. Who is to say what would have happened for Pulisic at this past World Cup had USA made it, although no way he would be winning Young Player over Mbappe.

    What about from a production of goals and assists at the same age?
     
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  11. jmplautz

    jmplautz Member

    Jul 28, 2007
    Madison
    Donovan was 1999 U-17 WC Golden Ball winner.
     
  12. Schul350

    Schul350 New Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jun 26, 2019

    I meant from a production standpoint...
     
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  13. FeedhimtothepigsArold

    Apr 7, 2014
    Club:
    Oxford United FC
    squabbling over semantics

    Im pretty sure statistical accomplishments was the focus. Puli has done more in that regard. Men lie, women lie, numbers........

    I dont think its possible to make a direct comparison. Landon wasnt tasked to carry the team at 20. Puli wasnt at a world cup, either.

    As @Schul350 alluded to, neither one of them wins young player over Mbappe in this tournament.
     
  14. FeedhimtothepigsArold

    Apr 7, 2014
    Club:
    Oxford United FC
    Im concerned about what Lampard revealed. I doubt Pulis starts over Mount at the 10. Pedro and Willian have more pedigree as wingers.

    I think this was a signal by Lampard.
     
  15. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Pedigree shmedigree, Pedro turns 32 this month, Willian 31 next month. Time to elbow those two out of our way.
     
  16. FeedhimtothepigsArold

    Apr 7, 2014
    Club:
    Oxford United FC
    I agree.

    From the perspective of a coach. Who do you trust? Puli should be able to force his way in but I doubt he gets the nod right away when you have world cup winners ahead of him. 31 or not.
     
  17. Schul350

    Schul350 New Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jun 26, 2019
    Pulisic definitely doesn't have the "10 tools" nearly as refined as Mount so I don't see that happening as the 10 also. I think the spot would be Pedro as the most like for like, Pulisic is a better dribbler, but Pedro has the better final ball and a bit more killer instinct to goal. All things being said, Abromovich blows money, but I think Pulisic will get a fair shot with the money spent on him. I am nervous for him though as Odoi is there too. Pulisic will definitely have to improve to keep a starting spot. Hopefully the physicality helps him for Concacaf too. Ironically enough, I just saw this below...

    https://talksport.com/football/571673/chelsea-callum-hudson-odoi-christian-pulisic-micky-gray/
     
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  18. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Definitely, but it's not going to happen all at once. Next season, he'll be starting over one of them and one of them (or both of them) will be moved on I'd bet.
     
  19. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    This is the only place LD has out performed CP in places they both played.

    wait... LD did have a better Gold Cup at 31 when needing to try to get back into the team after not showing up for the beginning of the Hex.
     
  20. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    Mar 17, 2007
    Colorado (formerly northern Virginia)
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we just watch what happens when Lampard starts to watch CP train.

    Lampard will be under pressure (like any Chelsea manager) to win.

    If CP can help him do it then I would expect to see him on the field quickly.

    He is not a charity case.
     
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  21. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    Mar 17, 2007
    Colorado (formerly northern Virginia)
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/04/chel...i-set-return-injury-sooner-expected-10113004/

    glad Micky Gray is so certain ... except I would expect Lampard gets to make the determination and right now Pulisic is much fitter and w/o injury.

    Training will be key.
     
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  22. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    Mar 17, 2007
    Colorado (formerly northern Virginia)
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  23. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT

    Smart move.

    He might not turn out to be the talent they expected, but at least the Chelsea fans can't blame him for being lazy.
     
  24. FeedhimtothepigsArold

    Apr 7, 2014
    Club:
    Oxford United FC
    Hudson-Odoi is a very good player. I have to admit, I have him slightly ahead talent wise.

    That whole England U17 world cup winning team has some real attacking talent. Brewster, Foden and Odoi.

    Odoi is a better ball striker than Puli and has more physical tools. Puli will be in better shape and will have advantage from a fitness viewpoint. I think Puli needs to look good early if he wants to really cement himself in.
     
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  25. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    I disagree that goals and assists against the likes of T&T and Panama top World Cup goals and a performance strong enough to garner Young Player of the Tournament. Is scoring in MLS a bigger accomplishment than scoring the EPL.

    Who accomplished the most by age 20, in a US uniform? Seems a simple comparison.

    Pulisic's playing in a World Cup doesn't change the fact Donovan did and excelled. It's a bigger accomplishment than scoring against the lightweights of a lightweight Federation.
     

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