Christian Pulisic Thread

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by ussoccer97531, Oct 21, 2015.

  1. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    Chelsea fans are just like anyone else. They have their biases and prejudices. If he performs well he will be accepted and possibly loved. They may consider him an excepption. If he doesn't do well, than they will give him a hard time and look for a reason that he was signed.

    What Pulisic has going for him is a reasonably good start to his career....I would say excellent but his transfer fee puts him in the stratosphere with the very top players. He is no longer a mortal but a soccer god and there has never been an American in his position (like there was never a PL coach before Bradley. He will need to be successful from the start because he won't get a long leash.
     
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  2. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    transfer ban, might make the leash a little longer or more chances, but that isn't a xenophobic thing that is a big club thing.
     
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  3. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Why oh why do 'some' Americans seem to think they are subject to some kind of 'special' treatment?? Bob Bradley failed at Swansea, it has nothing to do with his nationality and he most certainly wasn't the only 'failure' there, if Bradley had the same record with Chelsea then I'm sure there would be a real possibility of the sack but EXACLTY the same can be said of Sarri (who is on very thin ice) and it isn't because he is Italian!! I tell you now if Bradley came to Stamford Bridge and put Chelsea back at the top I wouldn't care if he was American, Mongolian or Martian he would be my hero!
     
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  4. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    Although I would definitely not put any of the "discrimination" against USA players that we are talking about into the xenophobic category.

    That is a much different and uglier side to soccer (and society in general...not just European). Some Americans have been exposed to it but not because they are American.
     
  5. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I tend to agree that another coach may have been sacked with Bobo's results, but there was much hostility in the media aimed toward him for his American background, including petty attacks on his vocabulary. It is impossible to know how this air of negativity may have factored into the decision to sack him.
     
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  6. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I am certain it wasn't an 'air of negativity' that got him the sack, more like the on field results!! I think you will find a lot of managers suffer from an 'air of negativity' when results are bad (yes even Mourinho), it has NOTHING to do with their nationality.
     
  7. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    The belittling of Bradley started before he even arrived in England. Heard a couple of English commentators saying "I bet he couldn't find Swansea on a map."
     
  8. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
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    Why American should be able to find Swansea on the map? I bet 99% won't (including me). Should we be able to find every 200K little city on the world map?
     
  9. Centennial

    Centennial Member+

    Apr 4, 2003
    Centennial
    Is Tom going to the premiere league? Cool!!

    On a more serious note, I’m concerned about the lack of playing time and these injuries that will keep Pulisic from playing prior to next season in England.
    Chelsea is in another league from Dortmund
     
  10. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    Completely agree.

    They are in a 'WTF going on here" sort of league.

    They're a hot mess right now. You don't want to go anywhere near 1 million mile radius of this club.
     
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  11. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Completely agree - unless they pay me enough to make it worth my while.
     
  12. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    What's funny is that anyone who bothers to follow the Prem could have told Pulisic that Chelsea are a tire fire right now.

    He's made a huge mistake.
     
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  13. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can find Wales, but after you're on your own. TBH most Americans probably couldn't find more than 15 states on the map. So asking them to find other countries is a stretch.
     
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  14. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Why learn geography when you got Google Maps on your phone?
     
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  15. owian

    owian Member+

    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At least he didn't make the cardinal sin of saying he was in England. Would have needed to swim his way to Bristol if he had.

    On another point this Bradley thing is really tiresome. If people genuinely think he was hard done simply because he was American you need to check that chip on your shoulder.

    First there is a lot to unpack, and it is true he was never really given a chance from the start, but there are some real reasons for that.

    First he came out of a coaching system, the US, that has no history of producing top level managers. That's a fact. It would have been the same if he had been Japanese or Australian (or about 100 other countries not in Western Europe or South American).

    Second he had connections with the ownership group which is rightly hated by the Swansea fans.

    Third he had no experience at this level. The closest he came was nearly reaching the French first division. This is the biggest reason I heard from Swansea fans. All of it together really made them feel like they're ownership didn't have a clue and the appointment of Bradley was an overt sign of this. And guess what they were right.
     
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  16. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How’s google gonna know Geography if it can’t even get my address right... :thumbsup:
     
  17. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Ok, this is pretty funny. "He wasn't targeted because he is American"

    But, "he was never really given a chance from the start" and two of the three reasons why are his nationality.

    Um, ok.

    I never said Bradley didn't deserve the sack. I said he was never given a chance by the fans and all of the English media. The Brad Bobley thing (ripping him for being American) started before he managed a match.
     
  18. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unfortunately Bradley got a chance to manage an EPL team simply because he is an American and the team had American ownership.

    The EPL does not typically hire managers with Bradley's background. Coming in with his background he had to nail it and he didn't!
     
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  19. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    That's true too. He was hired b/c he was an American. And, he was never given a chance by the fans and media because he is American.
     
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  20. owian

    owian Member+

    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure what part of this you missed. He was never given a chance from the start but that wasn't because he was an American. If he was Australian with an identical
    resume it would have been the same. Maybe the only thing different would have been the content of the jokes. (more Kangaroos, Ashes, and fake aussie accents)
     
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  21. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    He was given a chance. Sure, he got some stick in the papers and among fans, but enough with being so thin skinned. Yeah, they told some American jokes. Know what? Had he succeeded, the narrative would have shifted. Just because the country didn't roll out the red carpet and shower him with praise up front doesn't mean he wasn't given a chance. His chance was to succeed with the team and he failed. But, he certainly received a chance.
     
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  22. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Oh c'mon! Will you just stop! He WAS NOT sacked because he is American, he is NOT a special case just because he is American - nobody gave a sh*t about his nationality, he was sacked because he failed! The results under him were godamn awful, yes even worse than the 'other' Swansea managers at the time............and they all failed and were ultimately sacked as well!
     
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  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Beacon NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Swansea fans may not have cared where he was from but there were a lot of raised eyebrows and snide comments elsewhere.
     
  24. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    There were FAR more 'snide' comments when Christian Gross took over Spurs, he wasn't American! I'm sorry but this 'thing' about Americans is actually something that seems to be in 'American' heads not English ones! You didn't have to be a genius to realise that Bradley was probably not the 'best' option for Swansea and it had NOTHING to do with his nationality!
     
  25. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You keep saying "Bob Bradley", who has never coached there. Brad Bobley, now there's a keeper.

    Him and Ted Lasso, the American trailblazers.

    There aren't enough Swiss coaches/players for there to be an overarching stereotype about Swiss coaches like Gross. Unlike the USA, which has a giant league, historical indifference to soccer, and a brand-name that carries a ton of stereotypes.

    BB didn't do well there, but the speculation regarding his success/failure is colored because he's American, which does not happen for every coach.
     

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