Chinese Super League/AFC Champions League 2011

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  1. cfb21

    cfb21 Member

    Aug 28, 2011
    London
    Then that run out should be more than enough.

    As far as that right back position goes, Zhang Linpeng won't get called up sadly, but for now Wu Xi seems alright.

    Zheng Zhi can f off IMO, Gao Hongbo didn't need him so I think a midfield consisting of Chen Tao, Deng Zhuoxiang, Zhao Xuri and Huang Bowen is absolutely fine.

    Feng Xiaoting can keep in mind that he is part of the CSL defence that has conceded the least goals (apart from Beijing Guoan), let's keep our fingers crossed that Camacho will play him instead of Li Weifeng.

    Wu Pingfeng looked great in the games he played for China but Hao Junmin is back now. I reckon China would have beaten Iraq if Hao was about and Feng Xiaoting played instead of Li Weifeng.
     
  2. chengb02

    chengb02 Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    Obviously the result was a big shock, but Jiangsu is a strong team and they had a massive crowd out to support them, Guangzhou just came out lazy.

    It's actually their second defeat of the season, and the news about Lee's potential firing is far from bullshit. Even before this match Guangzhou has been talking about going after a major foreign coach.
     
  3. ntg.

    ntg. Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 9, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    i would be disappointed if guangzhou considers getting another coach
    it just suggests "in CSL, even if you win the title, you wont keep your job".

    if lee jangsoo isn't foreign enough, they can consider getting arie haan (who unintentionally announced he will be leaving tianjin teda for sure).
     
  4. chengb02

    chengb02 Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    so what? It's not only in the CSL that this kind of thing happens. Guangzhou brought in Lee to win them a title, he did, but for whatever idiotic reason (mainly ego), they want someone with more prestige to lead them when they face off in Asia next year. If they do bring someone new in, it would be a mistake even worse than the CFA firing Gao, because few domestic managers (let alone foreigners) understand the Chinese game and the ACL the way Lee does.
     
  5. ntg.

    ntg. Moderator
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    May 9, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    it just seems the chinese football circle always have this 崇洋-ism (aka, often believe foreign managers are the best).

    a bit changing the topic:
    i am looking at the wiki page of CSL 2011 right now.
    at the beginning of the season, we have 9 chinese managers for 16 CSL teams, now it decreased to 5/6 chinese managers.

    this kind of suggest to me that the ability of chinese managers are not as recognized as the foreign managers. some of the foreign managers are pretty unknown too, such as former shenzhen ruby manager: sinisa gogic, who never achieved anything before lol.
     
  6. chengb02

    chengb02 Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    I think your math may be off, at the start of the season, the Chinese managers were Wu Jinggui, Ma Lin, Shen Xiangfu, Xi Zhikang, and the Nanchang manager (can't think of his name). Xi was fired, but with Gao Hongbo being hired by Shaanxi, you are still at 5 Chinese managers right now. If you're really looking for something, there were 4 Korean managers at the start of the year but only 2 remain.

    Right now, teams aren't jumping around to take a chance on the older generation of Chinese managers, guys like Pei Encai, Jin Zhiyang, Xu Genbao, etc. There is definitely a new generation coming up, obviously Gao is leading that charge, but you have the likes of Hao Haidong, Fan Zhiyi, and Li Xiaopeng who are getting involved in managing. I expect next season, we'll see a few more Chinese in charge of teams.

    However, you are right, there is a belief that foreign managers are better and if you look at it, they have been. By my count, the only Chinese managers who have won CSL titles are Zhu Guanghu and Gao.
     
  7. ForzaGrifo

    ForzaGrifo Member

    Sep 22, 2000
  8. ForzaGrifo

    ForzaGrifo Member

    Sep 22, 2000
  9. chengb02

    chengb02 Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    And rumor is a number of waidi players will be heading there too, with names like Wang Xinxin, Chen Tao,and Li Weifeng being thrown around. It also should be noted its all but a foregone conclusion Arie Haan will be their manager next year...
     
  10. shanghai_ultra

    Mar 29, 2006
    Shanghai
    Club:
    Shanghai Shenhua
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    They lost in the CFA cup to Shaanxi, something like 50-49 in a record penalty shoot-out.
     
  11. lu0hh

    lu0hh Member

    Dec 12, 2010
    Club:
    Guangzhou Yiyao
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    deciding to watch the liaoning chanchun game over watching my guangzhou and shandong teams T_T.
    fighting for 3rd place is prob gonna be fierce! jiayou liaoning~~
     
  12. ntg.

    ntg. Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 9, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    shenzhen 1-0 shandong luneng now :rolleyes:
     
  13. lu0hh

    lu0hh Member

    Dec 12, 2010
    Club:
    Guangzhou Yiyao
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    good thing they came back haha. thee uh
    i stopped watching liaoning at 2nd half to watch guangzhou.
    conca's hellla filthy haha.
     
  14. ntg.

    ntg. Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 9, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    where did you watched the games?
    liveru?
     
  15. lu0hh

    lu0hh Member

    Dec 12, 2010
    Club:
    Guangzhou Yiyao
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    i just clicked on live watch on the csl site lol
     
  16. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    Looking forward to some big derbies next year gents?

    Guangzhou and Dalian derby's coming at us.
     
  17. ntg.

    ntg. Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 9, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    SHENZHEN RUBY - RELEGATED.

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    I think the coach should have the biggest blame. He insisted Shenzhen Ruby to play possession and ground ball (no aerial passes) and play the 3-5-2 formation. The team ended up to have the most goal-conceded. He complained how CSL is heavily relied on foreigners. Now he blamed the quality of Shenzhen's foreign players is bad. Philippe Troussier lolol.
     
  18. ntg.

    ntg. Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 9, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
  19. greenlion

    greenlion Member

    Apr 22, 2004
    CHINA
    Club:
    Beijing Guoan
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    Attendance summary of CSL 2011 as of Round 29

    Code:
    Rank    Team                              Total      High      Low      Average
    1    Guangzhou Evergrande                684,991    50,389    35,856    45,666
    2    Beijing Guoan                       605,958    53,375    31,267    40,397
    3    Shaanxi Renhe                       401,238    39,996    11,336    28,660
    4    Liaoning Whowin                     294,319    25,812    11,917    19,621
    5    Tianjin Teda                        266,630    43,986    11,668    19,045
    6    Jiangsu Sainty                      245,011    31,856    11,576    17,501
    7    Dalian Shide                        257,214    25,000     3,325    17,148
    8    Henan Construction                  245,007    20,688     9,346    16,334
    9    Changchun Yatai                     202,031    28,669     9,981    14,431
    10   Shandong Luneng                     170,514    27,815     4,255    12,180
    11   Nanchang Hengyuan                   156,932    14,562     7,649    10,462
    12   Shenzhen Ruby                       154,154    24,500     4,118    10,277
    13   Shanghai Shenhua                    143,038    18,232     4,325    10,217
    14   Hangzhou Greentown                  126,106    16,786     4,886     9,008
    15   Qingdao Jonoon                      127,863    15,286     2,011     8,524
    16   Chengdu Blades                       90,402    20,000     2,465     6,457
         League total                      4,171,408    53,375     2,011    17,980
     
  20. Yiddo Huayi

    Yiddo Huayi Member

    Jun 19, 2011
    Wellington, NZ
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    New Zealand
    And he is staying on to help them stay down next season.

    Killen has also signed up again and if I read it correctly Flores is likely as well.
     
  21. ForzaGrifo

    ForzaGrifo Member

    Sep 22, 2000
  22. greenlion

    greenlion Member

    Apr 22, 2004
    CHINA
    Club:
    Beijing Guoan
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    CSL 2011 breaks attendance record,

    a total of 4,236,322 spectators attended in CSL matches in 2011 season, breaks the history record of the Chinese professional league in terms of total attendance, meanwhile, Guangzhou Evergrande’s home average attendance was recorded at 45,666. also break the record of average attendance for clubs.

    CSL 2011 Average attendance by club
    Code:
    Guangzhou	45666 
    Beijing		40397 
    Shanxi		27836 
    Liaoning	19621 
    Tianjin		18242 
    Jiangsu		17170 
    Dalian		17148 
    Henan		16334 
    Changchun	13835 
    Shandong	12112 
    Nanchang	10462 
    Shenzhen	10277 
    Shanghai	 9828 
    Hangzhou	 8586 
    Qingdao		 8464 
    Chengdu		 6443
    attendance for C-League Jia A and CSL by year
    Code:
    Season	Total Att	Average Att	Highest Home Att By Team
    1994	2,155,000	16,326		Sichuan Quanxing (40,000)
    1995	3,140,280	23,790		Sichuan Quanxing (40,182)
    1996	3,203,122	24,266		Shandong Luneng (42,272)
    1997	2,801,100	21,220		Sichuan Quanxing (39,180)
    1998	3,883,000	21,335		Shanghai Shenhua (39,713)
    1999	3,623,500	19,909		Sichuan Quanxing (28,150)
    2000	3,622,000	19,901		Dalian Shide (26,154)
    2001	3,329,872	18,296		Shanxi Guoli (38,700)
    2002	3,146,640	14,984		Beijing Guoan (32,429)
    2003	3,719,700	17,710		Dalian Shide (30,500)
    2004	1,430,600	10,838		Shandong Luneng (23,636)
    2005	1,871,700	10,284		Shandong Luneng(26,000)
    2006	2,228,300	10,611		Shandong Luneng (30,679)
    2007	3,173,500	15,112		Shaanxi Chanba (24,643)
    2008	3,065,280	13,444		Shandong Luneng (26,501)
    2009	3,854,115	16,059		Beijing Guoan (36,805)
    2010	3,499,304	14,581		Beijing Guoan (33,342)
    2011	4,236,322	17,651		Guangzhou Evergrande (45,666)
     
  23. ntg.

    ntg. Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 9, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    TIDBITS:

    First team to gain Champion after promotion:
    Guangzhou Evergrande

    CSL's fastest goal:
    Han Peng (Shandong Luneng) at 57th second.

    CSL's 8000th goal:
    Liu Chao (Shenzhen Ruby).

    CSL's leading goal scorer:
    Han Peng (Shandong Luneng) at 76 goals, beating Lin Jinyu's record (Retired) at 73 goals.

    CSL's most appearance
    Xu Yunlong (Beijing Guoan) at 201 appearances.
     
  24. ntg.

    ntg. Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 9, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Carlos Tevez linked to Dalian Aerbin.

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  25. ForzaGrifo

    ForzaGrifo Member

    Sep 22, 2000
    damn these real estate developers are frigging rich.
     

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