Chilenos en la Champions/Europa League (R)

Discussion in 'Chilenos en el Exterior' started by MetroChile, Aug 14, 2011.

  1. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    #651 Rickdog, Nov 23, 2016
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2016
    That's highly debatable.

    In my case, I have always thought that Castillo was better playing with grown ups (at the only moment they were about at the same level is when they were part of the under 17, and early years at under 20 national team, but once at the under 20 youth WC in Turkey (where Castillo scored twice the amount of goals that Henriquez scored there), and at older player levels, Castillo had a greater performance than him (he started getting called to the overall National team (under Borghi, and afterwards by Sampaoli, having his official 1st game almost 1 year later), almost 6 months before Henriques got his first call (under Sampaoli, whom made him play right away). Curiously, Henriquez played his 1st game (a friendly vs. Serbia), first, although it was Castillo whom played for a WC qualifier game, first (vs.Peru at Lima).

    When Angelo appeared (being very young), he was very promising (more than Castillo), and almost instantly he went to Europe so he never had much time showing himself as a regular starter in his chilean team, while in the case of Castillo, his appearance right away meant him a place among catolica's starters. When both were playing in Europe, both had a very similar performance being there (being Castillo whom made himself a more known name, first, despite arriving at Europe, almost 2 years later than Henriquez).

    I believe, that in your case, you believe Henríquez was better, mainly because of your bias towards your team, than any other thing.
    In my case, I feel about the same thing on regards to both of the teams they both come from, without feeling any bias for any of them (over their teams in Chile, that is).
     
  2. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Of course, its my opinion just like you stated your opinion.

    Well, you're wrong, nothing to do with team biased. Castillo's biggest strength was his physique, which, at a youth level, helped him out a lot. Now that advantage has diminished. Angelo is also faster, better positioned, and has a much much better definition.
     
  3. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    #653 Rickdog, Nov 24, 2016
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2016
    That's very hard to believe if he doesn't score much at all (this last year he has scored only one goal), while at the same time, Castillo has scored lots of goals (it's not for nothing he is currently among top scorers in Chile).

    And btw, total goals scored aren't opinions. They are proven facts. (Also one of the reasons, why Castillo gets called more often than Henriquez, to the NT, by all the 3 last coaches we've had)

    Fact is, that in all his years in Europe, Henriquez has only had one very good season, his first season in Croatia (and the whole rest of the time, he hasn't done almost anything, except getting paid big money for nothing).
     
  4. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Castillo is doing something now, cause he is in Chile. And number of goals, of course it's a fact, but I've seen games from both and when 1 vs 1 Angelo is better.
     
  5. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    rickdog is just gonna argue back and forth, for the sake of arguing.
     
  6. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    And @MetroChile, will only post his useless whining and complaints over what others have posted, without adding anything for, or anything against it, of what's being discussed by the rest.

    ;)
     
  7. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Now now, settle down you two ;)

    He has his opinion on who is better, I have mine. All good.

    Now, I do want him to come back to U de Chile and do a Castillo 2.0 in terms of late performances.
     
  8. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
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    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
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  9. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Liga de Campeones:

    Arturo Vidal jugó todo el partido por el Bayern München, que le ganó 1:0 al Atlético de Madrid.

    Antenor "Junior" Fernándes jugó todo el partido por el Dinamo Zagreb, que perdió 2:0 con la Juventus en Torino.

    Alexis Sánchez fue titular en el Arsenal, y salió reemplazado a los 70 minutos. Golearon 1:4 al Basel en Suiza.

    Charles Aránguiz fue suplente en el Bayer Leverkusen, y entró a los 67 minutos. Golearon 3:0 al Mónaco.

    Ángelo Henríquez vio desde la banca la derrota del Dinamo Zagreb con la Juventus.

    Claudio Bravo ni siquiera fue citado en el Manchester City, que empató 1:1 con el Celtic.


    Liga Europa:

    Pedro P. Hernández jugó todo el partido por el Real Celta, que le ganó 0:2 al Panathinaykós en Atenas.

    Fabián Orellana también fue titular en el Real Celta, anotó el 2do gol a los 76 minutos y fue reemplazado a los 82.

    Marcelo Díaz fue suplente en el Real Celta, y entró a los 63 minutos.

    Gary Medel sigue lesionado. El Internazionale le ganó 2:1 al Sparta Praha.
     
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  10. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Gran review
     
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  11. posteador

    posteador Member+

    Dec 29, 2006
    Lincoln, UK
    Croatian league is not that much better than the Chilean league IMO. They are about the same level.
     
  12. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Croatian league is really weak. They have 2 stronger clubs, Rijeka, Dinamo Zagreb. Dinamo ended with 0 points, 0 goals in the Champions League. Hajduk Split is mostly third. Croats usually don't follow the national league.

    According to the statistics, Croatian league is between Austrian and Greek.

    http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/

    I doubt that Dinamo can win against Olympiakos.

    Croatian league gets a lot of points, just because Dinamo plays in the Champions League more often than Austrian clubs. Dinamo won against Salzburg Red Bull in the qualifications for the Champions League.

    This ranking is not so relevant. Danish league is under Croatian, but Kopenhagen plays often in the knock out stages. Romanian league is weak at the moment, same as Belarus, Sweden, Poland, Scotland...

    The Netherlands is the last league with quality.
     
  13. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Liga de Campeones:

    Bayern München de Arturo Vidal vs Arsenal de Alexis Sánchez (15 de febrero)

    Bayer Leverkusen de Charles Aránguiz vs Atlético de Madrid (21 de febrero)

    Manchester City de Claudio Bravo vs Monaco (21 de febrero)


    Liga Europa:

    Real Celta de Marcelo Díaz, Pedro P. Hernández y Fabián Orellana vs Shakhtar Donetsk (16 de febrero)
     
  14. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Junior Fernandes and Angelo Henriquez (Europa League 2017/2018)

     
  15. oc2004

    oc2004 Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    Nice goal by Junior.

    Reading the discussion on top of the page, I also initially thought that Angelo would be better than Castillo, but he has not done anything in a long time.

    Castillo has been improving steadily while Angelo seems to be regressing. Maybe it is my uninformed opinion of Angelo, because I have not seen him play in a long time.

    Any new information on Angelo?
     
  16. oc2004

    oc2004 Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    Just watched the last 14 minutes of the game with Angelo on the field. He didn't do much. Not really involved. Junior was much more involved and dangerous.

    Hopefully, Angelo will find his form soon.
     
  17. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

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    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    If one player wants to be in Chilean national team, for sure he needs to play in top 5,6 European leagues...or maybe in top Chilean, Brazilian, Argentinian, Mexican clubs. Everything else, moves players outside of the picture.

    Croatian league is 17th European league.

    https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2016.html

    Clubs from Turkey, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Greece, Austria were once behind.

    Nice light is the victory of Croatian club Osijek against PSV Eindhoven, 0-1 in Eindhoven.

    Angelo Henriquez is forgotten. It seems that he never adapted. Junior and Angelo are different types, Junior asks the ball, wants to play, even attractive moves are his desire, he scores often. We could expect Junior in better league-club, year or two.
     
  18. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Gary Medel will play in the knock out stage of the Champions League.
     

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