CHILE vs Venezuela, 14 noviembre en Talcahuano (Amistoso) [R]

Discussion in 'Chile: Selecciones Nacionales' started by JAIME CHILE, Oct 23, 2014.

  1. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
  2. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Según Agricultura, Roberto Gutiérrez sería uno de los citados entre los "locales".
     
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  3. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Cuantos argentinos jugaran en este partido?
     
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  4. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    http://www.cooperativa.cl/noticias/...a-la-seleccion-chilena/2014-10-30/134445.html

    Delanteros Leonardo Ulloa y Mauro Zárate aceptarán llamados a la selección chilena

    Ambos argentinos están bajo la mira del técnico Jorge Sampaoli.

    En el caso del atacante de West Ham United, su propio representante lo reconoció.

    Los delanteros de origen argentino Leonardo Ulloa, quien milita en Leicester City, y Mauro Zárate, de West Ham United, aceptarán recibir la nacionalidad chilena para unirse a la selección bajo las órdenes de Jorge Sampaoli.

    El caso del artillero de los "zorros", quien es oriundo de Río Negro, fue informado por Al Aire Libre en Cooperativa y se espera que el DT casildense, quien lo convenció de sumarse al equipo, lo convoque a próximos amistosos del combinado nacional.

    En lo que respecta a Zárate, en tanto, fue su propio hermano y representante, Rolando, quien lo confirmó en diálogo con la radio trasandina La Red, donde señaló que "Mauro jugará para la selección de Chile. Analizó las últimas convocatorias de Argentina y le dijo que sí".

    "Tuvo mala suerte de ser contemporáneo de tres jugadores como -Lionel- Messi, -Sergio- Agüero y -Gonzalo- Higuaín. Igual creo que merecía una oportunidad por todo lo que hizo en Vélez pero no le dieron la chance", aseguró.

    Ambos artilleros estamparán su rúbrica en el consulado chileno en Inglaterra para definir su nueva nacionalidad, la cual les dará el derecho a defender a la selección en futuras convocatorias.

    Resta conocer si estarán incluidos en el llamado para los amistosos que se jugarán los próximos 14 y 18 de noviembre ante Venezuela y Uruguay, respectivamente.
     
  5. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Zarate si por ser mitad chileno, Ulloa no estoy seguró su nexo con Chile. Ahora si no tiene nada, como Barroso, no estoy de acuerdo.
     
  6. SIN DIOS NI LEY

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Ninguno.

    Bravo; Gato Silva Medel Jara (Pepe Rojas); Isla Díaz Aránguiz Mena; Vidal; Sánchez Vargas.

    En los últimos 10 minutos entre Bose o Delgado, luego Millar y sería.
     
  7. chewie4917

    chewie4917 Member

    Sep 10, 2011
    How about introducing some kind of pledge of allegiance the moment a player wants to make a big switch? It's a big call for Sampaoli regarding Zarate. The guy closed the door on an opportunity in the past, and now he's suddenly developed the 'desire' to wear the red shirt. No one should get a second chance, in my view.
     
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  8. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Its a big decision to make, he said no to the Italian national team too. Its not a decision to take slightly, add to that the fact the before he was called to go straight to the WC skipping the hard part of the qualifiers, now he would start fresh how it should.

    Despite all that, he is chilean and i make a distinction between nationalized players who only can because they have lived in Chile like Barroso. The chilean blood to me is important, I understand some of you dont care for it but I do, the important question is whether we actually need him. Zarate, level wise, is not that much different than Orellana imo.
     
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  9. SIN DIOS NI LEY

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Football-wise, Zarate has a higher ceiling than Orellana and has showed to be a better player during his peak years in Lazio, Velez or Birmingham City.
    Said this, I also like Orellana for the national team.
     
  10. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Well, in my opinion this is his peak. Football is all about timing and we are not getting Lazio's Zarate, this Zarate 2014 is not better than Orellana 2014. And if he is, its very little.

    About Ulloa, no way in hell.
     
  11. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Sampaoli está argentinizando (o extranjerizando) nuestra Selección, y eso al menos entre la gente futbolera chilena no está gustando para nada.

    Pedro P. Hernández (argentino con 1 abuela chilena, nacido y criado en Argentina)
    Leonardo Ulloa (argentino con 1 abuelo chileno, nunca ha vivido en Chile)

    Además Sampaoli hace poco nominó a un suizo desconocido (Rodríguez), quien se negó a jugar por Chile.

    Después tenemos los casos de Miiko Albornoz y Gustavo Canales, quienes nacieron y se criaron fuera de Chile, pero al menos tienen 1 padre chileno, a diferencia de los anteriores. A mí no me cabe duda que Albornoz se siente chileno (pero tengo mis serias dudas con el argentino-chileno Canales).

    Mauro Zárate es hijo de padre chileno y nació en Calama(CHILE). Aunque no sé a qué edad emigró a Argentina, y bueno, todos sus hermanos son argentinos.

    Finalmente, Matías Fernández y Jean Beausejour son chilenos para mí, ya que si bien 1 de sus padres es extranjero, nacieron y se criaron en Chile.
     
  12. toepunt

    toepunt Member

    Aug 24, 2003
    North America
    Cada vez me gusta menos el pelao Sampaoli, una embarrada después de otra. Eso de llamar a argentinos es muy anti patriota.
     
  13. SIN DIOS NI LEY

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Yo pensé que los chilenos que vivían fuera no tenían una mente tan estrecha en relación a este tema.
     
  14. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    No sé, ni un extremo ni el otro. No es mente estrecha no querer llamarlos ni ser anti patriota llamarlos.

    Yo si probaria a Zarate, por tener sangre directa chilena de uno de los padres, es más chileno que argentino. No a Ulloa. Admitiendo que el corte es muy arbitrario, pero es un corte que debe existir segun yo.
     
  15. MetroChile

    MetroChile Member+

    Jan 13, 2001
    NJ; Valpo.
    Club:
    Santiago Wanderers
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Esa es la realidad de hoy no más, un mundo global de mucha inmigración,


    Te corrijo porque no todos los chilenos que vivimos afuera pensamos igual que Jaime o toepunt.
     
  16. freeestyler

    freeestyler Member

    Jan 17, 2009
    Sofia, Bulgaria
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Where is the "nomina" for the upcoming fixtures. Why Samapoli has not published it on friday?
     
  17. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    #18 Rickdog, Nov 4, 2014
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2014
    because he is still seeking for more of our "new" players in Argentina .......
    :D

    Btw :
    Matias was born in Buenos Aires (capital city of Argentina)
     
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  18. freeestyler

    freeestyler Member

    Jan 17, 2009
    Sofia, Bulgaria
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    :D Actually he has to inform the fereign clubs 2 weeks bevor a game of the NT :D There are only 10 days left. Maybe he is planning to use only players from the chilean league :D :D :D
    p.s. I don't see anything so bad in using players like Zarate :)
     
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  19. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Maybe he even believes that those players that play in the argentine league are included, as if they were from the chilean league, so he doesn't have to inform anything to no one.....:p

    In my case, I don't have problems if any player bonded to our country, from outside our frontiers decides to play for our NT.
    After all, if they do a good job in the team, it will be Chile's name the one that will get the honor, for that achievement. Now if they end playing like shit, we can blame from where they came from, as an excuse.....
     
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  20. freeestyler

    freeestyler Member

    Jan 17, 2009
    Sofia, Bulgaria
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    I share your opinion almost like always :D At the end it's important who wins on the field and that's what we all want. We have to accept the efforts of Sampa, the pressure on him is very high. For me the only big mistake of Bielsa was .. Ricardo Rodriguez.
     
  21. Yañez

    Yañez Member+

    Oct 11, 2005
    Santiago, Llolleo
    Club:
    Univ de Chile
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Ricardo Rodriguez was the biggest mistake, such a needed player. Would be interesting to see Zarate, what he can do. I have the feeling if he is not a starter he will refuse to come back to the national team.
     
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  22. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Ricardo Rodriguez was Borghi's mistake, as before him when Bielsa was in charge, Ricardo was nothing more than a promising player, who was still playing at under aged levels for Switzerland. It was during Borghi's days that Ricardo was in doubts of for whom was he going to play (he also wanted to play for Spain), and as he never received any call by both Chile and Spain (his parents nationalities), he finally decided to keep on playing for Switzerland
     
  23. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    It's not that simple.
    If he files the switch to play for Chile, then he will not be able to play for anyone in the rest of his career, as the switch can only be filed through FIFA, once in the lifetime of any over aged player. Only younger aged players are allowed to file the switch more than once, each time they pass to the next age-level. Zarate is 27 years old, so all he got is one possible switch.
     
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  24. freeestyler

    freeestyler Member

    Jan 17, 2009
    Sofia, Bulgaria
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Yes, but not being a powerhouse like Spain you have to be much faster in such cases. That was the idea of Sampaoli with the brother of Ricardo, what I highly admire.
     
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