Chicago Magic vs. Sockers FC Chicago [Part 5]

Discussion in 'Youth & HS Soccer' started by Twenty26Six, May 30, 2010.

  1. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    US Club Soccer State Cup:

    U13 Fire North :eek: 4-0 :eek: U13 Magic

    How come? Anyone care to give more details about what happened?
     
  2. Chicagosoccerhub43

    Chicagosoccerhub43 New Member

    Jun 10, 2010
    Club:
    Liverpool FC


    where are u getting this information? i cant find it anywhere
     
  3. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    From people I know. I got a call as soon as the game was over.
     
  4. UofIneedssoccer

    Nov 3, 2009
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Yhey way the Magic is organized at this time they played State Cup with a pool team. The US Club was played with the South Team so really :)no big deal. So really nothing to get excited about
     
  5. Isaidthat

    Isaidthat Member

    Dec 10, 2009
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    Hey yonko if you got a call from someone there you shouldn't need more information:confused:.
     
  6. Ball Buster

    Ball Buster New Member

    Jan 21, 2010
    Club:
    Springfield Demize
    Exactly. Y.O.N.K.O. = tool
     
  7. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    See, that's what I didn't know. It's always good to hear comments/info from both sides. I bet the person who called me didn't know this either.

    Buster, now you have a tool fetish? Kinky loser.
     
  8. Dalglish

    Dalglish Member

    Sep 26, 2005
    ??? Not sure what you mean. I sat in the stands - no cards for me. And no, my son was not one of those ejected.

    I'm very relaxed, Im a relaxed sort of guy.
     
  9. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    No, HP is not south. HP is the Magic's very promising team. I guess the Fire Wind just gave them a lesson on how to play?

    Well, according to what you were saying, the ref was giving the Magic players a lot of cards and I thought maybe he gave some to their parents - joking of course.

    So did you think the ref was biased or just poor? Your posts indicated with slight hint that you think he was poor because he was biased.
     
  10. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    BTW, where are all the Magic teams in both State Cup competitions? Until very recently they were dominating almost every age group. It used to be Magic over Sockers in most cases with a few exceptions where Sockers will claim one over Magic for a change. Now we see Eclipse, Lemont and mostly Fire teams - pre-DA, DA and North/ex-Wind.

    Come on Magic, pick it up!
     
  11. UofIneedssoccer

    Nov 3, 2009
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos

    Sorry stand corrected did not see the The HP in the orginal post
     
  12. Dalglish

    Dalglish Member

    Sep 26, 2005
    Never miss a chance to take a swipe at Magic. Magic turn you down as a coach? Who do your kids play for?

    Your old posts rip people for focusing on result. You said result don't matter and that those who focus on results don't know anything about soccer. Of course, now you post about results. Classic!
     
  13. Dalglish

    Dalglish Member

    Sep 26, 2005
    My post simply stated the facts as I saw them. Please don't read anything between the lines. The 1-0 score between Fire Acad and Magic Acad was fair. No parent was spoken to by any ref. The spectators were well behaved and did nothing worse then laugh at the refs.

    If there is pushing and shoving between a large group of players but only one team emerges with red and yellow cards, then I think the ref is suspect. Please note that I didn't say biased, just that I think he has done a poor job.

    Ten cards to one team and none to the other team is curious. I think the ref lost control of the game and allowed a coach to influence his calls.

    I did recognize one of the ARs. He was the ref for several u-little games I remember years ago. He was awful then and he is awful now. He was a deer in the headlights.

    A Fire coach on the sidelines screaming at the ref for more cards did not help. As a result, some of his players kept falling and rolling around as if they were shot.

    But there is no excuse for swearing in front of the ref and if a kid is carded for that he has no one to blame but himself.

    Yonko, I hope your U12 does well over the next couple years. How did he do in the State Cup this year? You have set yourself up for much potential criticism.

    Again, I think that there are 3 great Academy choices for kids in the Chicago area. Competition raises the bar for all and that is good. Just the additional soccer facilities added over the last couple years alone is terrific.

    Maybe one Acad is indeed better suited for future pro players - the Fire Acad might have some advantages in that regard. Then again, watching a kid having to sit on the bench for 7 or 8 Academy games in a row and only play just a very few minutes a month is not a situation I'd want for my kid.

    For kids interested in college and careers, the other 2 Academies might be something to consider instead.

    Again, aside from laughing at the refs, I thought the spectators were well behaved.
     
  14. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    I like to kick them while they are down. :D;) I hear these days Magic hires every coach that other clubs kick out. :rolleyes: My older one is going to play for the Fire in the Fall - the younger one is staying where he is for now.

    I'm not talking results, I'm talking facts - Magic teams have gone missing from the latter stages of State competitions. And it's not just one or two teams - it's all the age groups. I hear it's because they are behind the others in development and playing style. I must say I'm not impressed too much by the others either, however it appears they are ahead of Magic. Facts are facts - Magic is not the powerhouse it used to be. And with majority of the coaching staff they've collected it doesn't look like it will change.

    Fair enough.

    My older son's team didn't play in the State Cup. I don't understand what do you mean I've set myself up for potential criticism?
     
  15. respecthegame

    respecthegame Member

    May 1, 2010
    Club:
    Everton FC
     
  16. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
     
  17. respecthegame

    respecthegame Member

    May 1, 2010
    Club:
    Everton FC
     
  18. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
     
  19. respecthegame

    respecthegame Member

    May 1, 2010
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Yonko: Agree with you on Sockers a fine organization. Would like to better understand your points on structure, philosphy and being reorganized properly. I think issue is that they are going through that reorganization and have played quite well through it
     
  20. DutchMethod

    DutchMethod Member

    Sep 20, 2006
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Country:
    Netherlands
    During this development process, everyone in the world agrees the USA needs to be significantly better at technical expertise. This comes from training, not playing matches. If you take a look at the U14-U20 national team rosters you will notice precious few players from the state of Illinois. While two Sockers kids are on the World Cup national team (Bradley and Spector) with so few Illinois players in the mix for U14 - U20, this Men's national team presence isn't likely to happen for a long time. Guzon counts as well, but he's a goal keeper, which the US seems to do a great job of producing.

    Whether it is Sockers/Fire/Magic or some of the non DA clubs like Eclipse/Lemont/FC United, what should be of interest is, which club is utilizing their 6 hours per week of training to the best technical development of their players. Sorry, I have to point out that Messi is 5'7" and there are a large number of players who are merely 5'10" or 5'11" of average build. So while we see these large kids dominating play at state cup, you have to ask yourself why? Why is the physical maturity so important, when the technical maturity time and again proves to be a superior advantage.

    And that my friends is the frustrating aspect of this all. Whether it's Chicago, LA or NY, TX or CA, we need coaches / owners / administrators who are keen to develop the kids technically, time in, time out, over and over, until the kids are proficient, and not out there to win friggin games. :(
     
  21. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    The point I'm trying to make is that Magic isn't reorganizing and structuring properly, because the new owner is hiring coaching staff with very mediocre high level experience. They are focusing on recruiting players by any means necessary - ok, but someone needs to develop these players to compete at the highest level. And the new staff doesn't have the track record of doing that. Also some of them are given roles which are beyond their capabilities and/or interest. Only TB and NP are up to it, but they are growing frustrated as they see that things are not heading in the right direction even in this early stage. Again, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put these guys down. But knowing what I know I have to speak the truth. There a few other coaches the new owner could've/should've hired to signal real intention of restructuring and reorganization in the right direction. I know they would've cost more money, but it's not like that is problem for Mr. Magic. Believe me, even some people from inside the Magic are seeing already the same things I'm saying. And right now they are just mumbling, but soon they might start making bigger noise or run away.;)

    And I don't know what gives you the indication that Magic teams are playing well through whatever phase they are going right now?
     
  22. hackers

    hackers New Member

    Aug 28, 2007
    Frustrating as hell to see coaches "americanize" the game. I see kids who are so techinically superior but not big physically not getting a game because at U15-U17 it doesnt fit into the kick and run style of play. Don't get me wrong a big kid who has good technical skills will always be preferred but we all see these kids who can't receive a ball, are severly one footed and sometimes dont go into tackles hard even though they are bigger get a game because they are big kids. So we pick kids who may win the ball in the air but are more likely to turn it over once they get it on the ground. Ever beat a team at a younger age group and think "we won but I wish we played like them" ? Messi would struggle to get a game here and for sure wouldnt make ODP :D
     
  23. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    To be honest, I haven't seen that many technically superior players at U15 and above not playing much. I think that by that age these type of players have dropped out of the game or dropped down to much lower level, because they have been neglected by most of their coaches.

    Not only Messi would've been destroyed developmentally, but players like Xavi and Iniesta too. While Cristiano Ronaldo will be just freakish athlete without his fancy skills.

    Truthfully, there are not that many creative players at the highest level either.
     
  24. TopSoc

    TopSoc New Member

    Jun 13, 2008
    Wow some decent convo going on here. Chicago coaching for sure is not vesting itself in the educational side of the game. The game can be a money pit and the clubs are definitely going for dollars.
    Who loses then, the kids and many parents who are suffering with the economy but want to help their kids succeed.
    What is scarey is our academies are doing pretty well on a national level yet it is clear many of the top players are not funneling to the top because they can't afford to pay, to far away or just frustrated because of lack of size.
    In America winners can pay or sacrifice everything or are huge athletes?
    With so many other sporting options for kids we need to continue to sell the game and to do that we need quality. Other sports are eating away at kids that would be an asset in soccer.
    We are at a critical stage where the game can flourish or go away depending on how the money makers decide to go. The game used to be the poor mans game and perhaps the downturn in the economy will have the consumer reassess there desire to be involved in the game.
     

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