Neither is Busquets but he was/is still instrumental in how Barca play. He's how you beat a press (the same press that would cause us to concede in years past). He's always in motion giving the players around him an outlet when pressed. He's not flashy but he's key in how we play. He sets the tempo.
Busquets is a defensive midfielder . Jorginho is your play making midfielder. The onus is on him to create not defend. You are not making a like with like comparison .
Their not the exact same player but both are tasked with same role. Be the outlet for teammates and set the tempo. I don't think you understand what Jorginho was brought in for. He wasn't brought in to defend or create. He is the maestro. He gets the band all playing on the same wavelink. There's a reason why teams try to disrupt us by putting someone on him. Westham did this and Mou did it at times with Mata.
Yeah, the great run and pass he had for Morata's chance happened in some other game That's all we need, United fans coming here to offer random views of our players. Offensively Jorginho is just fine.
He wasn't bought in to defend or create but he is still a maestro. If he can't defend or create what exactly is he conducting . In the olden days the likes of roy keane and paul scholes could set the tempo , defend , attack & create . All Jorginho can do is set the tempo or a more accurate description keep posesssion for possessions sake. Thats the problem with modern midfielders these day . They can only do one job . You have of guy like dier who can only tackle and win the ball back . You have another like Jorginho who can only job keep possession and then you have another guy like Pogba who can only attack. Specialisation they call it and its nonsense and its killing the game .
Out of interest greengrass, who would you suggest would be a better fit in this team? Any players on your radar we should keep tabs on?
QUOTE="greengrass81, post: 37205104, member: 286462"]He wasn't bought in to defend or create but he is still a maestro. If he can't defend or create what exactly is he conducting . In the olden days the likes of roy keane and paul scholes could set the tempo , defend , attack & create . All Jorginho can do is set the tempo or a more accurate description keep posesssion for possessions sake. Thats the problem with modern midfielders these day . They can only do one job . You have of guy like dier who can only tackle and win the ball back . You have another like Jorginho who can only job keep possession and then you have another guy like Pogba who can only attack. Specialisation they call it and its nonsense and its killing the game .[/QUOTE] We've not played this well in years. We are very entertaining and take initiative in games. Jorginho has only been here for less than 3 months but he's playing so well and we are happy with him; for he is part of the reason we're playing well. I don't understand what your problem is with our player. We are not trying to send him your way. We are happy with him; end of story. If you don't rate him as a player, then good for you; he's not playing for your team.
I guess in this system of possession for possessions sake his job is ball retention. Just keep the ball. But it's up to the manager of the other side to break up possession. I'll admit our style this season is sometimes bland, sideways passing can be very boring. With that said, it's different than what we've had under 5 consecutive managers. I'll enjoy the difference. On top of that, Jorginho is as much of an on field manager as anything else. He's often telling our players where to be. As this system is new that's just as important as anything else.
One thing that's overlooked in the possession for possession sake debate is that it's not that simple. The point of maintaining possession like that is multifaceted but in its simplist terms is designed to wear down your opponent. Not just physically from chasing the ball but mentally. Another is also a form of defense by holding the ball that much you're limiting their chances and forcing the other team to counter. Thus limiting their chances and requiring them to be clinical with their chances. I feel like that term is thrown around to shoot down a teams approach without considering why. Same can be said of parking the bus. It's not just giving up. But all in all I too enjoy this brand far more than what we've grown use to in the past.
He couldn't tackle his way out of a ********ing paper bag. But I'm shocked - shocked - that a United fan shows up on here telling us about how more players should be like his childhood favorite United players.
Also, I love how his club is now stated as Chelsea, but his only posting thus far has been on the United forum and he left the United logo in his profile. No one can tell you're a United fan mate.
Maybe he's like that beijingref4lyf dude, (Irish branch), https://twitter.com/beijingcasuals?lang=en I used to love some of his stuff, like these... GETTING CALLED OUT BY BURNLEY CHIMNEY SWEEP NOW. https://t.co/r8g3Paa1u2— Beijing Red 4 Lyf (@Beijingcasuals) September 10, 2017 LOOKING LIKELY YES. THEY MY THIRD TEAM ANYWAY SO I ALREADY HAVE FULL KIT AND ALARM CLOCK 💙 https://t.co/RbWidxELZi— Beijing Red 4 Lyf (@Beijingcasuals) February 23, 2017 Obviously it's all incredibly racist but, you have to say, it's actually pretty funny.
On a separate note, I found the Chelsea fans' lack of respect for Jose really appalling. He is still our most successful manager. He is not the classiest himself but give him some respect.
How Young wasn't even punished for that is astounding. But considering that it's Mike Dean... https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation...gs-penalty-worthy-but-uncalled-scissor-tackle
Some hot takes. 1. I'm not sure what fans were saying to Jose after the "incident" (which Jose caused himself); if they were degrading him, then yes, that was classless. If he initiated the whole thing with the three fingers, then it is his fault. Again, though, the whole incident was his fault for chasing after someone. Act like you've been there before. That's all you need to do. My Dad, bless his heart, thought that Jose's three finger salute meant that he'd be back to manage Chelsea a third time. LOL. At this rate, he's on a collision course with being the most overpaid USMNT manager of all time. 2. No way I thought we'd be in third place at this stage with a new manager, radically new tactics, and all that that entails. 3. That said, it was 2 points lost. Again we failed to put them to the sword. At home. 4. Morata is rapidly approaching a lost cause for us. No one is passing to him. He falls over in a stiff breeze and has no confidence. It's clear the team prefers Giroud right now. And Giroud should start from here on out. 5. I don't think we buy a striker in January unless we are within touching distance of a title. If we're secure in the top 4, we won't do anything until the summer. Who would we buy? Is Anelka available? 6. Kante is a fantastic player, but I'm not sure he's very effective in this setup. Without a striker, we need goals to come from elsewhere. Jorginho/Fabregas ain't scoring em. Kante aint scoring em. Pedro has diminished. Willian and Hazard are our two options? And Barkley? Bleak.
I would be open to an Ibra loan. Guy can still score goals and will be short term till we can plan better in the summer.
Zlatan? Yikes. I don't know if we're doing that. Nothing surprises me, though. Remember - at one point we loaned in Pato and Falcao. What striker who is worth anything will want to come in if Morata and Giroud are still here with Michy also available for next year. Morata came here to get minutes he wasn't getting at Madrid to earn a spot on the national team. Fail.
important to note that for all the sideways passing jorginho does, he looks vertical quite often and many time is playing passes between the lines. one of the main points of all that passing is knowing when to move vertical and when to move side to side. the verticality that sarri teams are known for will come more with time and as other players understand better when to get in those positions. jorginho is radically more vertical over his history at napoli for instance, he's also adapting to a new league and teams that are more willing to sit and disrupt and block off those spaces. it all depends on what is in front of a player like that on any given day. he's just as willing to put a ball over the top when he sees a player making a run, but his value is knowing when not to do that for the teams sake. also, for all the stick he got for not covering the cut back space that was exposed during the arsenal game, he's been MUCH more effective at it more recently. also, if you think about how early teams started marking him it shows you two things. one, how important other teams think he is to the team, and two, how well he's been able to adapt and help the rest of the team when that's happening by moving quicker or taking his mark out of the way. for all the marking he's seen, it's hampered to overall team rather little for a group of players still learning this system. that's pretty remarkable.
In my opinion Barkley has the potential to be a VERY good player, it all depends on two things 1) how he is managed and 2) his desire, a LOT of young English talent are more concerned about the sports car, the women and the drink than they are about dedication to the game, why do English players shine at youth level then lose it a bit as they mature? It has a lot to do with English culture, if Barkley can be steered in the 'right' direction from here on in he may finally get to realise the potential he showed as a teen.
Very good points, I'd like to add though that he is saying all the right things right now too. Every interview is about his want and hard work. He seems to have figured it out. Also, worth adding. The English need to follow Sancho's lead and move to other countries. Money may not be as good but they learn how to play and get to play. Too many young English players get too comfortable being English and lose the will.