Charlottesville 2017 | When White People "Chimp Out"

I think I posted a link. In regard to the bold: I think it was both. An anti-Antifa troll with access to legitimate sources (National Review, Quillette), was attacked. And the right wing blew it up.BUT given Trump's treatment of journalists, more on the left should decried it.

 

Always remember, despite some of these unprovoked attacks by antifa, antifa also did this because local & state cops chose not to do their jobs in Charlottesville that day:

Based on what was happening all around, the looks on their faces, the sheer number of them, and the weapons they were wielding, my hypothesis or theory is that had the antifa not stepped in, those of us standing on the steps would definitely have been injured, very likely gravely so. On Democracy Now, Cornel West, who was also in the line with us, said that he felt that the antifa saved his life. I didn’t roll my eyes at that statement or see it as an exaggeration—I saw it as a very reasonable hypothesis based on the facts we had.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...ft-was-actually-doing-in-charlottesville.html

 

FYP!

 

This.

Unleash dome dogs and hoses on the Right and Antifa won't have to get involved as much.

 

They legitimately see these Nazi thugs as threats to groups that they care about in their communities. One option is they can be like the faith-based and hope that Jesus or L.E. steps in and saves them. Or they can be prepared to defend themselves & their neighborhoods. No one would have an issue with a random dude taking karate classes to prevent a mugging. These Nazis mugged Charlottesville that day.

 

Well, y'knowwwww, we're better than the GOP. We win with ideas.

 

The Nazis had permits to march/protest so they were not doing anything illegal.

Now that has not stopped cops from going after peaceful protesters in the past.

 

What about their weapons? And that little issue of driving over a crowd of people and killing a poor lady. I saw very little police presence to "keep the peace" that day. To me that seemed deliberate. I'm glad there's a group like Antifa that stands up to violent Nazis.

 

so you are supporting vigilantism when law enforcement is perceived to not be doing its job. All the above is supposition. So somebody in a MAGA hat can open fire on a group of approaching black masked Antifa members because he fears for his safety and recent events have shown that he is likely to be assaulted and that law enforcement will not intervene. Do you really want to go down this road?

 

What about them? There was a guy that shot his gun at an antifa or something, he was later arrested for unlawful discharge of a fire-weapon.

Did the other people carrying weapons did it illegally?

He is on trial for vehicle manslaughter isn't he?

Yes Police should keep the groups apart, they knew about the Nazis, did they underestimate the presence of the anti-nazis?


Yesterday we had a protest in Chicago, I believe it was a pro-immigration protest, they had a shit lot of cops on bikes surrounding the protesters.

I guess the city has experience with this stuff, Charlottesville did not.

 

One of the things that I find alarming is that they are adamantly de-centralized and anti-hierarchical. I can see why they would be on ideological grounds. But that can lead to real problems on a practical level. First and foremost, it means you'll have to electoral impact (which bothers, I'm betting, none of them).

Furthermore, that makes them super-easy to infiltrate (I'm betting that pretty much any picture of antifa in action will have an FBI informant in the shot). And worst, this also exposes them to infiltration by right-wingers who could easily claim to be antifa, fire off a few weapons in the general direction of police or random people, and disappear back to the alt-right internet realm. That would be pretty bad.

 

I posted it before, but clergy members in Charlottesville said Antifa saved them vicious beatings from Nazis and possibly worse. White punks with shields and batons against middle age clergy. 1 side drove a Charger into non-violent marchers from the other side. I remember saying to the Mrs when the media started doing shots from Charlottesville "where are all the fing cops?" Inexcusable. VSP & CPD weren't even on the same radio frequency to coordinate. Charlottesville didnt realize they could ban people from carrying shields. They said "let them fight for awhile" A clusterf#ck from the start all the way to the limp, lifeless body lying in the street at the end.

 

Makes ya wonder how much infiltration TrumpCo is doing with Nazis. We know the answer

The 15 violent attacks—five of them since Charlottesville—have been investigated and prosecuted by local and federal authorities. When the suspect in the Charlottesville attack was charged with hate crimes in late June, Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in a statement, “Today’s indictment should send a clear message to every would-be criminal in America that we aggressively prosecute violent crimes of hate that threaten the core principles of our nation.” Yet, according to a senior federal law enforcement official who is knowledgeable about domestic attacks, the Trump administration has not focused on thwarting danger from far-right groups. “I’ve seen nothing to indicate it’s a priority,” the official told me recently.

https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2018/07/donald-trump-white-supremacists-terrorism/

 

I keep saying, white people can't be terrorists, and none of you seem to understand. Fortunately, the Trump administration does.

 

Even worse than not focusing on stopping them, they've completely dismantled (and I'm sure leaked names of planted insiders/informants) any gov't entities that used to focus on or study right-wing terrorist or wanna-be terrorist organizations - in the FBI, DOJ, CIA, DEA, everywhere. They have pretty much free reign to organize/mobilize at this point.
Luckily the NRA is in a self-caused free-fall or it could be even worse.

 

?? What do you mean?

 

The NRA's revenue from members is down somewhat, and there arecomplaints about how the organization is meddling too much in global politics (as in hobnobbing with Russian agents). But the evidence is mostly anecdotal.

 

by them being in a free-fall, or that it could be worse if they were a healthy functioning organization, not under increased scrutiny?

If the latter, the NRA would be happy to provide assistance to alt-right groups if given the chance as they all feed into the fear tactics the NRA employs to increase their gun-manufacturer-outreach (they are mainly a lobbying organization for manufacturers after all). Luckily NRA TV and their executive officers are embroiled in controversy around excessive fear tactics and Russian influence right now so they can't help as much as they'd probably like.
Their presidents alone are a hot mess of suck lately.

 

I didn't watch NRA-TV, but I'm pretty confident the Kenyan Commie was portrayed as eeevil and a comin' fer yer guns

 

Their real problem is that they also became a Right-Wing grift but too many grifters got on board. Combine the excessive and lavish spending of their executives with a relatively modest decline in revenue (partly due to their cahooting with Russia) and you have an organization in tail spin.

Their views and influence in certain circles are still alive, but they're short on money (since most of it is being funneled to the pockets of executives via third party marketing schemes) and they cannot longer parade along with Republican politicians, so yeah, they're very ineffective right now.

 

Proud boys parade in Oregon, then try to frame antifa:

Police arrested at least 13 people and seized metal poles, bear spray and other weapons as hundreds of far-right protesters and anti-fascist counter-demonstrators swarmed downtown Portland, Oregon. https://t.co/OvZY4dlATa

— WSVN 7 News (@wsvn) August 18, 2019

And look who loves some WP:

Devin’s friends say he is “Ok”#NunesFailedAgain pic.twitter.com/0Lw7m2aFYL

— SarahCA (@SarahBCalif) August 17, 2019